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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you so much. I understand it a bit more now. To be honest I really need to do more research to understand how you come to all these conclusions I just wish I had more time. Now I will order the death certificate. <br />
Many thanks again.</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I refer to my posting of 29 June which you can access by clicking this link: <br />
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In this post I set about eliminating possibles such as the other Nellie G Browning. This particular lady married George E Dungate:<br />
Marriages Jun 1924<br />
Browning Nellie G  Dungate  Dartford  2a 1399<br />
Dungate  George E  Browning  Dartford  2a 1399</p>
<p>Here are marriage details which tell us that Nellie’s father is Thomas:<br />
Name: Nellie Gertrude Browning<br />
Birth Year: abt 1896<br />
Gender: Female<br />
Age: 28<br />
Event Type: Marriage<br />
Marriage or Bann Date: 9 Jun 1924<br />
Parish: Bexleyheath, Kent, England<br />
Father: Thomas Browning<br />
Spouse: George Edward Dungate<br />
Spouse Age: 42<br />
Spouse Gender: Male<br />
Spouse Father: George Dungate<br />
Parish as it Appears: Bexleyheath<br />
Chapelry: Christ Church</p>
<p>and they are to be found in the 1939 Register living with Thomas Browning:<br />
Browning Household (5 People)<br />
40 West Street , Bexley M.B., Kent, England<br />
FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB SEX OCCUPATION MARITAL STATUS SCHEDULE SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER <br />
George E Dungate 04 Jun 1882 Male Painter &amp; Paperhanger Married 51 2 <br />
Thomas Browning 25 Apr 1860 Male Builders' Labourer Retired Widowed 51 1 <br />
Nellie G Dungate 08 Oct 1895 Female Domestic Duties Unpai Married 51 3 <br />
Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.<br />
Kenneth E Dungate 12 Dec 1934 Male Under School Age Single 51 5</p>
<p>This is Nellie’s birth registration:<br />
Name:                            Mother's Maiden Surname: <br />
BROWNING, NELLIE  GERTRUDE   EVES <br />
GRO Reference: 1895  D Quarter in DARTFORD  Volume 02A  Page 462</p>
<p>and this tells us that her mother’s maiden name is EVES. From this we can find the marriage:<br />
Marriages Dec 1891<br />
Browning Thomas    Woolwich  1d 1876<br />
Eves  Emma    Woolwich  1d 1876</p>
<p>Marriage details:<br />
Name: Thomas Browning<br />
Estimated birth year: abt 1860<br />
Age: 31<br />
Spouse: Emma Eves<br />
Spouse Age: 29<br />
Record Type: Marriage<br />
Event Date: 13 Dec 1891<br />
Parish: St Nicholas, Plumstead<br />
Borough: Greenwich<br />
Father Name: Charles Browning<br />
Spouse Father: James Eves<br />
Register Type: Parish Register</p>
<p>and this is Nellie’s Baptism:<br />
First name(s) Nellie Gertrude<br />
Last name Browning<br />
Gender Female<br />
Birth year -<br />
Birth place -<br />
Birth place note Res: 13 Crown Street, Bexley Heath<br />
Baptism year 1898<br />
Baptism date 25 Jan 1898<br />
Residence Bexley-Heath, Kent, England<br />
Place Bexley Heath<br />
County Kent<br />
Country England<br />
Father's first name(s) Thomas<br />
Father's last name Browning<br />
Father's name note Labourer<br />
Mother's first name(s) Emma<br />
Mother's last name -<br />
Record set England Births &amp; Baptisms 1538-1975</p>
<p>You will note that Nellie’s birth is registered in Dartford Registration District which includes Bexley: <a href="http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/reg/districts/dartford.html">http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/reg/districts/dartford.html</a></p>
<p>So we are able to amass a considerable amount of detail which clearly tells us that this Nellie’s father is not Arthur who we are looking for.</p>
<p>You refer to a Nellie Browning born December 1896 and her father is Arthur:<br />
This is the Birth Registration:</p>
<p>Births Mar 1897<br />
Browning  Nellie Louisa    Paddington  1a 16</p>
<p>and this is her Baptism:<br />
Name: Nellie Louisa Browning<br />
Record Type: Baptism<br />
Baptism Date: 7 Feb 1897<br />
Father's name: Arthur Octavus Browning<br />
Mother's name: Louisa Browning<br />
Parish or Poor Law Union: Paddington Emmanuel<br />
Borough: Westminster<br />
Register Type: Parish Registers</p>
<p>and she died in 1902:<br />
Deaths Mar 1902<br />
Browning  Nellie Louisa  5  Paddington  1a 73</p>
<p>I have searched the Birth Index on GRO Online for any birth in the name of Nellie Gertrude Browning between 1888 and 1902 and there is only one and we have established that she was born to Thomas Browning and his wife Emma nee Eves. I have also carried out a search for births in the name of Ellen Gertrude Browning in the same period and there is only one which is your ancestor:<br />
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:   <br />
BROWNING, ELLEN  GERTRUDE MARIA  HEMS   Order<br />
GRO Reference: 1897  M Quarter in WESTBURY ON SEVERN  Volume 06A  Page 251</p>
<p>And finally to eliminate Nellie wife of Reginald Charles Cutler this is the marriage:</p>
<p>Marriages Mar 1912<br />
Cutler  Reginald C  Evans  Dudley  6c 58<br />
Evans  Nellie    Cutler  Dudley  6c 58</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many thanks for all your help. However please can I ask how Ellen Gertrude Browning 1897 can be confirmed as being Nellie Gertrude Cutler when there is another Nellie Browning from London area?  Could it be that Nellie Gertrude Cutler could be this Nellie Browning from London and not my Great Grandmother?<br />
I also came across a Nellie Cutler of Bell End Lane, Bell Heath, Belroughton Bromsgrove Worcs ( Wife of Reginald Charles Cutler) who died in 1938 could this be her???<br />
I also came across a hint which shows a Nellie Browning B 15.12.1896 on a school board for London. Again the name of the father was Arthur.<br />
I am still confused about how I can find out which is my Great Grandmother. <br />
Many thanks<br />
Andrea</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Marriage Certificate states that Nellie's father is <strong>Arthur Browning </strong>and an ex <strong>collier.</strong></p>
<p>This is the family in 1911:<br />
Name    Relation to Head    Birth Date    Age    Gender    Marital Status    Occupation    Birth Place    Address<br />
<strong>Arthur Browning  </strong>  Head    1855    56    Male    Widowed    <strong>Colliery Workman Underground </strong>   Woodchester, Gloucestershire    Harry Hill, Drybrook, Glos<br />
Alfred Edward Browning    Son    1888    23    Male    Single Manufacturers Roadman Clerk    East Dean, Gloucestershire    Harry Hill, Drybrook, Glos<br />
Charles William Browning    Son    1892    19    Male    Single Colliery Workman Hewer Loader Underground    East Dean, Gloucestershire    Harry Hill, Drybrook, Glos<br />
Lilly May Browning    Daughter    1894    17    Female    Single     East Dean, Gloucestershire    Harry Hill, Drybrook, Glos<br />
<strong>Ellen Gertrude Browning</strong>    Daughter    1897    14    Female Single    Assistant Draper    East Dean, Gloucestershire    Harry Hill, Drybrook, Glos </p>
<p>As stated in my earlier post Nellie Cutler died in 1936:</p>
<p>CUTLER, NELLIE  GERTRUDE   39 <br />
GRO Reference: 1936  S Quarter in HENDON  Volume 03A  Page 357</p>
<p>and given the Electoral Roll tells us that Frederick Thomas Cutler had returned to live with his parents in 1937 there is little doubt in my mind that this is your Nellie.</p>
<p>Mike</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I must say I am even more confused now. </p>
<p>I need to find out if this Nellie Gertrude is my Great grandmother? What else can I do ? </p>
<p>Am I able to send email address ?   </p>
<p>Am I able to post photographs ?</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was the address of the Cutler Family.<br />
Taken from Electoral Roll:</p>
<p>Name: Charles Cutler<br />
Year: 1925<br />
County or Borough: Camden<br />
Ward or Division/Constituency: Hampstead<br />
Street address: 5 Broomsleigh Street<br />
With<br />
Sarah Liza (wife)<br />
Frederick Thomas</p>
<p>and this is Frederick and Nellie in 1931:<br />
Name: Frederick Thomas Cutler<br />
Year: 1931<br />
County or Borough: Harrow<br />
Ward or Division/Constituency: Wembley Park Ward<br />
Street address: 11 Llanover Road<br />
With Nellie Gertrude</p>
<p>Frederick's parents in 1931:<br />
Name: Charles Cutler<br />
Year: 1931<br />
County or Borough: Camden<br />
Ward or Division/Constituency: Hampstead<br />
Street address: 5 Broomsleigh Street<br />
With<br />
Sarah Liza (wife)<br />
Charles Cutler Junior</p>
<p>Name: Frederick Thomas Cutler<br />
Year: 1939<br />
County or Borough: Camden<br />
Ward or Division/Constituency: Hampstead<br />
Street address: 5 Broomsleigh Street<br />
with Charles Senior<br />
Sarah Liza (wife of Charles Senior)<br />
Charles Junior<br />
Violet Martha (wife of Charles Junior)</p>
<p>This places Frederick with his parents in 1939 but he is not listed with them in the 1939 Register:<br />
Cutler Household (5 People)<br />
5 Broomsleigh Street , Hampstead, London, England<br />
FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB SEX OCCUPATION MARITAL STATUS SCHEDULE SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER <br />
Charles Cutler 18 Dec 1862 Male Gardener Retired Married 38 1 <br />
Sarah Cutler 04 Jul 1864 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 38 2<br />
Charles Cutler 11 Dec 1901 Male Cemetery Gardener Married 38 3 <br />
Martha V Cutler 01 Oct 1906 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 38 4 <br />
John Smith 26 Aug 1865 Male Unpaid Domestic Duties Widowed 38 5</p>
<p>Mike</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>5 Broomsleigh Street, West Hampstead was the address.</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What residence addresses are given for Nellie and Frederick ???</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Witnesses were Charles Cutler and Edward Frank Ruel.</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frederick Thomas Cutler, age 34, Bachelor, builders labourer, Father's name Charles Cutler also builders labourer. </p>
<p>Nellie Gertrude Browning age 30, spinster,  no profession, Father's name Arthur Browning who was an ex collier.</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ancestry</p>
<p><br />
Baptism at Paddington<br />
7 February 1897</p>
<p>Nellie Louisa BROWNING  (<strong>death : January Qtr 1902, Paddington, and not on the 1911 census with her parents/siblings) - Family Search gives year of birth 1897<br />
</strong><br />
father: Arthur Octavus BROWNING  (<em>was 24 when he married in 1891 and was born in Stroud, father, Thomas a Wheelwright)</em><br />
mother: Louisa BROWNING</p>
<p><br />
Arthur and Louisa's (nee BRACKNALL) marriage is on Ancestry 1 September 1891, St Pauls - <br />
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<p>On the marriage certificate for Nellie Gertrude BROWNING and Frederick CUTLER</p>
<p>?  Was there a father's name listed for the Bride/Groom</p>
<p>?  Who were the witnesses</p>
<p>?  Occupations of the Bride  and also the Groom</p>
<p>?  Age of Bride and Groom</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You're dealing with common names and it's not unlikely you'll find other families with the same names and even similar birth dates. I've had that happen several times and it can be disconcerting but it happens.</p>
<p>There is a Nellie Browning in the 1901 census aged 4, Father's name Arthur, born Paddington. That's likely the one Ancestry has picked up on. I would ignore it.</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi I thought I would update you both regarding my findings. <br />
I have the marriage certificate of Nellie Gertrude Browning and Frederick Cutler and did think this was my great grand mother. <br />
However on Ancestry a hint arose and when I looked at the hint it was a school admission for a Nellie Browning , London in 1901.it also said that her fathers name was Arthur Browning and she was born December 1896. I am so confused by this and now not sure what to do and wonder if you could help any further?</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi I think this might be my great  grand mother as she was born the same year and states that the fathers name was Arthur Browning. Are you thinking the same ?</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>?</p>
<p>Apart from</p>
<p>Birth Registered:</p>
<p>September Qtr 1921 :<strong> Lambeth District</strong><br />
Gwendoline V BROWNING/BROWNING</p>
<p><br />
there is also</p>
<p>Birth Registered: </p>
<p>December Qtr 1916  <strong>Lambeth District</strong></p>
<p>Lionel C BROWNING/BROWNING  (and a death in 1917)</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have ordered the marriage certificate and am crossing my fingers that we have found her. <br />
Many thanks again.</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As you belong to Ancestry - then go through</p>
<p>London, England Electoral Register</p>
<p><br />
Had a quick look </p>
<p><br />
1931, Harrow, Llanover Road</p>
<p>CUTLER, Frederick Thomas<br />
CUTLER, Nellie Gertrude</p>
<p><br />
1934, Barnet, HENDON</p>
<p>CUTLER, Frederick Thomas<br />
CUTLER, Nellie Gertrude</p>
<p><br />
?</p>
<p>Marriage  1940  - Hendon, Middx</p>
<p>Frederick T CUTLER<br />
Marion A CRAWLEY</p>
<p>--</p>
<p>You can also trace</p>
<p>Frederick T CUTLER<br />
Marion A CUTLER </p>
<p>in later Electoral Registers in Wembley West</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would recommend you obtain the Marriage Certificate in the hope that at least one of the family was there as a witness. Looking forward to your findings in due course.</p>
<p>Mike</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh wow what can I say that is brilliant and really cant thank you all so much for all your help. I am going to order the marriage or death certificate to try and resolve this. <br />
I have been on ancestry for a few years now but still could not find her. I have just started going into it more and thought I would add to the forum which I am so glad I did. <br />
Many thanks again and will keep you informed of my findings.</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many thanks kind sir for your full &amp; fast reply, yes makes complete sense, ta !!.</p>
<p>Judging by your explanation and what I'd already deduced, the people I try researching should, as far as I can tell, have been listed and viewable in the Register. Maybe I was doing the fundamentals wrong re a tickbox or somesuch. Shame really as it put me off signing-up for the full FMP site access, as it seemed I wouldn't find what I was looking for. <br />
Looks like I need to revisit it sometime and &quot;must try harder..&quot;</p>
<p>Thanks again, Jeff.</p>
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