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<p>Are you related to Rod Fox in New Zealand?</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi</p>
<p>So due to lock down I'm sat at home researching my family tree.</p>
<p>Henry John Fox (1845-1917) was my great great grandfather.</p>
<p>I have discovered quite a bit from this excellent source and hope I can add a photo or two in the future.</p>
<p>If/When we can get out of the house again I'll be planning a trip to the Cotswolds and Coleford.<br />
We now live in Cambridgeshire so it's not too far for a little holiday.</p>
<p>We'll be trying to get photos of graves and burial sites the Fox family.</p>
<p>@Carl<br />
Did you get to Coleford and if so did you get any further information that could be helpful?</p>
<p>You and I may be related!</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carl, my Forest forebears came to Aotearoa in 1860, so perhaps this is not directly comparable to your family's 1900 situation.</p>
<p>However, there were 10 siblings in my great grandfather's family (including him) and five came here and five stayed in Britain (as far as I know; at least I haven't been able to find any records of any of the other five coming here).</p>
<p>Great grandfather was an iron miner, and had a limited future if he stayed in the Forest - as far as I can work out his father would have been a tenant farmer, so there would be little to inherit.</p>
<p>Great grandfather certainly brought his younger 16 year old sister out after him, but what influence he had on the others I do not know. I imagine they would not have come had his opinion been unfavourable!</p>
<p>In comparison with what I have been able to read about in Forest sources, he was able to buy and develop a small freehold farm here (Saltwater Creek, North Canterbury) with a two storey house, and to give his children a reasonable start in life. I think this would have been true for other Foresters who came out here about the same time - what things would have been like in 1900 I am not sure - at least the 1880 depression was over by then, and the Land Wars were finished so your family would not have arrived here at a time a serious conflict. However, a lot of Foresters came to NZ in the 19th Century as you will discover on this forum.</p>
<p>I note that you want to visit Coleford (which is where my Great grandmother came from [Coalway Lane]). We visited the Forest in 2004 from NZ, and I was bowled over by the beauty of the place. Our visit was a bit spoiled by lack of understanding on my part, and when you are this far away it makes it difficult to get a second chance. So I would urge you to find out as much as you can before you go, to make the best use of your time. Example - I thought great grandfather's family came from St Briavels, so we went there as well as Coleford for great grandmother. Unfortunately they came from the <strong>parish </strong>of St Briavels rather the <strong>village </strong>of the same name. So the trip to St Briavels village was a waste of time in one sense, because of ignorance/confusion on my part. Now I would plan a completely different itinerary!</p>
<p>Best wishes, John</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Dear &quot;Cousin&quot; Jeff</p>
<p>My head hurts when I try to get the detail on &quot;cousin&quot;!</p>
<p>James is my great grandfather's brother.  It appears there were 3 brothers who went to New Zealand: Henry, Sidney and Richard.</p>
<p>I think it was Harriett who married a Pace. </p>
<p>I am struck by the fecundity of the family around this time. Ten kids is a lot for anyone. </p>
<p>Could you let me know if I can access the parish records online?</p>
<p>Also, do you have any old pictures of Barnhill or any idea of the housing?  On google maps they are semi-detached from this century.  I wonder about the kind of life a miner with a large family would have survived at this time. Did a lot of people from the Forest of Dean emigrate to New Zealand around 1900? So many questions. If I did visit the area, do you where would be best to visit in terms of getting an impression of the lives people would have led?</p>
<p>Carl</p>
</blockquote><p>Dear &quot;Cousin&quot; Carl.</p>
<p>don't worry about that revelation, if we go back far enough I think most Dean Foresters are probably &quot;related&quot; to some degree...  it was a remote <strong><span style="color:#006;">#</span> </strong>secluded area with not a lot to do after dark...  Which leads me to thank you for introducing me to a great &quot;new&quot; word.  Yes, fecundity (wow!) wasn't too rare in those days, it surprised me too when I started looking up my tree but in fact large families were quite normal for the working classes in the days before family planning etc, especially as that could mean more earners.  I mentioned my paternal grandmother, a Lydbrook Taylor, to our surprise she was the youngest of eleven, spread across 26 years, her father was one of eight, etc...  Not saying such large families were the norm, but I don't think they were that unusual either.</p>
<p><strong><span style="color:#006;">#</span></strong> Less so now, but for centuries the Dean was a remote place, William the Conqueror made it as far as Gloucester, but like even the Romans before him, wasn't keen to risk climbing into the wild Forest area.  As recently as the late 70s young Foresters were often met with hostility for being &quot;backwoods roughnecks&quot; when we went to the &quot;big city&quot; of Gloucester all of 15 miles away !.   <br />
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I think you're right re Harriet &amp; Pace(Page?), her name sounds familiar re my browsing across the Fox's Census returns.</p>
<p>This forum has seen countless examples of Foresters travelling many miles to find work in other mining areas (or the associated  metalworking industries; initially across Britain, and then across the world to the USA, NZ etc as those territories were found to also have raw mineral deposits. Some families returned, many stayed, hence the forum routinely receives many queries from t'other side of the world.  </p>
<p>Until last year the FoD Parish Records were only available online via the transcripts on this website. If anyone thinks they may be in error, the site’s admin staff can be asked to check the original PR, which I think are usually in photographic form as the originals are held at Gloucester Archives and such like.  Last year Gloster Archives linked-up with Ancestry, so photo images of the actual PRs can now be seen and downloaded from that site. </p>
<p>Re the housing at Barnhill and Broadwell, originally it would be wooden cabins built by the woodmen/quarrymen/miners themselves, which by the 1800s had become cottages using locally-quarried stone, then (post War) brickbuilt 2 storey semi’s etc built by developers, the British Land Society, or local authority “council”; the British History site as mentioned in my earlier post details this, certainly no tower blocks of flats etc in the Forest !.  The various old Ordnance Survey maps give an idea of the “random” nature of the Forest’s towns, during the Industrial Revolution of the 1800s the Forest’s desirable mineral wealth caused an explosion in population, often without any civic planning as such, hence it's rather random appearance especially in the older villages..<br />
See <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broadwell,_Forest_of_Dean">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broadwell,_Forest_of_Dean</a>   </p>
<p>Regarding the British History website, it's a truly excellent resource but can seem a little disjointed in it's layout, so for any given section it's best to word-search the text for, in this case, &quot;Broadwell&quot;. <br />
The section best describing Broadwell's housing can be found about 2/3 down the &quot;Settlement&quot; page; search here<br />
<a href="http://www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/glos/vol5/pp300-325">http://www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/glos/vol5/pp300-325</a><br />
Also search this page<br />
<a href="http://www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/glos/vol5/pp117-138#h3-0003">http://www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/glos/vol5/pp117-138#h3-0003</a></p>
<p>For old photos this site has an excellent Gallery section worth browsing, plus the Sungreen site I’ve already mentioned, these will give you a good idea of the topography and townships of the FoD, plus Google Streetview etc. Also the excellent old photos books by Humphrey Phelps, but these tend to feature people and workplaces rather than general housing.<br />
Also see <a href="https://www.francisfrith.com/broadwell,christchurch,gloucestershire">https://www.francisfrith.com/broadwell,christchurch,gloucestershire</a></p>
<p>This forum has been operating for many years now, so it’s highly likely that any general questions you may have eg &quot;NZ migrants&quot; or &quot;Dean tourism&quot;, have already been answered; please just use the forum search facility, some examples are below. To get an idea about the way our ancestors lived in the past there are some well-known books that you can probably find in your local library, or buy online, (think of authors such as Winifred Foley, Joyce Latham, Phelps and Dennis Potter), and when you do visit make sure you go to the Dean Heritage museum at Soudley.</p>
<p>Hoping this helps, Jeff</p>
<p>PS  In case you've not already found out, be warned that most internet searches for &quot;Broadwell&quot; will take you to the very different village of the same name in the Cotswolds end of our beautiful and varied county. </p>
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For general info such as tourism and books see the links section of this site, which has several great pages including;<br />
<a href="http://www.forest-of-dean.net/joomla/index.php/links/20-books">http://www.forest-of-dean.net/joomla/index.php/links/20-books</a><br />
<a href="http://www.forest-of-dean.net/joomla/index.php/links/23-forest-people">http://www.forest-of-dean.net/joomla/index.php/links/23-forest-people</a></p>
<p>Prior threads which should help you re the above queries include:</p>
<p>(Books)<br />
<a href="http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=39806">http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=39806</a><br />
<a href="http://www.forest-of-dean.net/fodmembers/index.php?id=46782">http://www.forest-of-dean.net/fodmembers/index.php?id=46782</a></p>
<p>(Visiting)<br />
<a href="http://www.forest-of-dean.net/fodmembers/index.php?id=41340">http://www.forest-of-dean.net/fodmembers/index.php?id=41340</a><br />
<a href="http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?mode=entry&amp;id=33227">http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?mode=entry&amp;id=33227</a></p>
<p>(Emigration to NZ etc)<br />
<a href="http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=31551">http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=31551</a><br />
<a href="http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=25374">http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=25374</a></p>
<p>and so on...</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear &quot;Cousin&quot; Jeff</p>
<p>My head hurts when I try to get the detail on &quot;cousin&quot;!</p>
<p>James is my great grandfather's brother.  It appears there were 3 brothers who went to New Zealand: Henry, Sidney and Richard.</p>
<p>I think it was Harriett who married a Pace. </p>
<p>I am struck by the fecundity of the family around this time. Ten kids is a lot for anyone. </p>
<p>Could you let me know if I can access the parish records online?</p>
<p>Also, do you have any old pictures of Barnhill or any idea of the housing?  On google maps they are semi-detached from this century.  I wonder about the kind of life a miner with a large family would have survived at this time. Did a lot of people from the Forest of Dean emigrate to New Zealand around 1900? So many questions. If I did visit the area, do you where would be best to visit in terms of getting an impression of the lives people would have led?</p>
<p>Carl</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi again Carl,<br />
searching this forum's prior threads for &quot;Henry Fox&quot; gives the following Marriage in Australia, which I'm sure you already know about given your NZ roots;</p>
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&quot;Richard Albert, fourth son of the late Henry Fox, Coleford, Gloucestershire, to Gertrude Syddall, youngest daughter of Ellen and the late Joseph Williams, Melbourne.&quot; </span><br />
see  <a href="http://www.forest-of-dean.net/fodmembers/index.php?mode=thread&amp;id=15488">http://www.forest-of-dean.net/fodmembers/index.php?mode=thread&amp;id=15488</a></p>
<p>Sure enough, this site's PRs gives </p>
<p><span style="color:#006;">Record_ID: 11035<br />
Entry_Number: 2880<br />
Year: 1879<br />
Month: Jun<br />
Day: 1<br />
Parents_Surname: FOX<br />
Child_Forenames: Richard Albert<br />
Fathers_Forenames: Henry<br />
Mothers_Forenames: Clara<br />
Mothers_Surname: <br />
Residence: Barn Hill West Dean<br />
Occupation: Collier<br />
Officiating_Minister: Thomas Holbrow Curate<br />
Event: Baptism<br />
Memoranda: Born May 12<br />
Notes: <br />
Register_Reference: P93 IN I/6<br />
Page_Number: 123<br />
Parish_Chapel: Coleford<br />
Soundex: F200</span><br />
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Which gives the household in the next Census;</span><br />
<span style="color:#006;"><br />
1881 Barn Hill, West Dean<br />
Given Name  Surname  Relationship to Head  Marital Status  Age  Estimated Birth Year  Gender  Occupation  Birth City  Birth County  Birth Country<br />
Henry  Fox  Head  Married  36  1845  Male  Coal Miner   Gloucestershire  England<br />
Clara  Fox  Wife  Married  29  1852  Female    Gloucestershire  England<br />
James  Fox  Son   8  1873  Male  Sch   Gloucestershire  England<br />
Henry  Fox  Son   6  1875  Male  Sch   Gloucestershire  England<br />
Richard  Fox  Son   2  1879 Male  Gloucestershire  England   <br />
Desima  Fox  Daughter   6 months 1880 Female   Barn Hill Gloucestershire</span></p>
<p>Next door but one are</p>
<p><span style="color:#006;">Richard  Fox  Head  Married  66  1815  Male  Coal Miner Unemployed  Newland  Gloucestershire  England<br />
Desima  Fox  Wife  Married  61  1820  Female   West Dean  Gloucestershire  England<br />
Milson  Fox  Son   19  1862  Male  Coal Miner  West Dean  Gloucestershire  England<br />
Tom  Fox  Son   18  1863  Male  Coal Miner  West Dean<br />
Coal Miner  West Dean  Gloucestershire  England<br />
William  Page  Grandson   13  1868  Male  Coal Miner  West Dean  Gloucestershire  England<br />
George  Page  Grandson   10  1871  Male  Letter Carryer  West Dean  Gloucestershire  England<br />
Benjamin  Morgan  Grandson   4  1877  Male  Scho  West Dean<br />
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<p>Are the &quot;Page&quot; grandsons anything to do with the aforementioned &quot;Fox and Pace&quot; Bixlade mine owners ?</p>
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Another source worth looking-up, particularly where we know our ancestors were in business, are the old Trade Directories. The following site has several for the area, don't forget to look in the &quot;West Dean&quot;s as well as &quot;Coleford&quot; etc.http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cbennett/</p>
<p>Sadly, I cannot find any &quot;Fox&quot; entries in the coal mining/selling trade, hopefully they are there but I missed them ?. Or maybe they just didn't want, or need, to pay to be included.  However I suspect these names ARE in your tree, from the 1902 Coleford Directory from the above webpage. </p>
<p><span style="color:#033;">FOX Amos, shopkeeper, Broadwell Lane end</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#033;">FOX Mary (Miss), Plough Inn, Coalway Lane end</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#033;">FOX Richard, grocer, Mitchelldean Lane end</span></p>
<p><a href="http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cbennett/coleford1902.htm">http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cbennett/coleford1902.htm</a></p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carl,<br />
I wonder if you've seen this webpage while searching the net, it lists the trustees of Broadwell Memorial Hall, including a &quot;Fox, James William, Broadwell Lane End, 09.01.1920&quot;<br />
<a href="http://www.sungreen.co.uk/Broadwell/broadwell_memorial_hall_gsv.html">http://www.sungreen.co.uk/Broadwell/broadwell_memorial_hall_gsv.html</a></p>
<p>Presumably James was reasonably well-off to be a Trustee, I wonder if he is the same as the James Fox below, or maybe his father?.  Edenwall pit is at Broadwell, it's marked on the old OS maps ?.</p>
<p><span style="color:#030;">&quot;Edenwall Mine.<br />
10 June 1944  Portion re-granted to James Fox and Henry Corin of Broadwell and Fred Bowkett of Cinderford and Lewis Wilce of Ruardean Woodside.&quot;<br />
</span><a href="http://lightmoor.co.uk/forestcoal/CoalEdenwall.html">http://lightmoor.co.uk/forestcoal/CoalEdenwall.html</a></p>
<p>The Lightmoor site is the definitive site for the history of the Dean mines (pits).<br />
It also mentions another Fox at Bixlade mine, which is also at Broadwell.</p>
<p><span style="color:#030;">&quot;Bixlade mines.<br />
1894  Output Bixslade (Fox) 1,869 tons;  Bixslade No. 2 844 tons.&quot; </span><br />
<a href="http://lightmoor.co.uk/forestcoal/CoalBixslade.html">http://lightmoor.co.uk/forestcoal/CoalBixslade.html</a></p>
<p>Another great reference site for old mining is the Peak District site. This list of pit-owners in Gloucestershire in 1896 is very helpful, stating;</p>
<p><span style="color:#030;">&quot;Bixslade, &quot;No. 2&quot; pit, at Coalway Lane End, Coleford<br />
Owners Pace and Fox of Broadwell Lane End, Coleford.<br />
Six men mining coal.&quot;</span><br />
<a href="http://www.pdmhs.com/docs/default-source/resources/mines-list---1896/south-of-england's-mining-industry-in-1896/south-of-england's-coal-mining-industry-in-1896---html-versions/1896-663c04500e73726160aa67ff0000724782.htm">http://www.pdmhs.com/docs/default-source/resources/mines-list---1896/south-of-england's...</a></p>
<p>When viewing the Census forms earlier I recall seeing the PACE name as near neighbours to the FOX household, I think I also saw evidence of marriage between the families. </p>
<p>???<br />
 </p>
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This next man Henry Fox may be from the same family ?.  Cinderford Bridge mine is only a few miles east of Broadwell via Speech House. There is also a &quot;Foxes Bridge&quot; very near there, over Cinderford Brook, and a pit of the same name.  I was born nearby, and always assumed the name related to the woodland animal, hence &quot;Foxes&quot; not &quot;Fox's&quot;, but maybe not .... ???</p>
<p>If these men are your relatives, I'm sure further evidence to their mining would be provided within the more recent Census's, the 1939 Survey, and the Parish Records for them or their children's Baptisms and Marriages.</p>
<p><span style="color:#030;">&quot;Cinderford Bridge mine.<br />
The gale was re-granted on 11 June 1906 to a Henry Fox and nine others.  They had originally applied for the re-grant in February 1878 immediately after the forfeiture.&quot;</span><br />
<a href="http://lightmoor.co.uk/forestcoal/CoalCindBridge.html">http://lightmoor.co.uk/forestcoal/CoalCindBridge.html</a></p>
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Finally, a reference to Henry Fox</p>
<p><span style="color:#030;">&quot;Fox's Trenchard mine.<br />
F3 1175<br />
31 January 1910  Application for grant to Henry Fox<br />
23 May 1910  Granted, intended to work by means of a pit<br />
3 June 1910  Henry Fox to Amos Wm. Brown</span><br />
<a href="http://lightmoor.co.uk/forestcoal/CoalFoxsTrenchard.html">http://lightmoor.co.uk/forestcoal/CoalFoxsTrenchard.html</a></p>
<p>So far I cannot find this pit on a map, Trenchard is the name of a coal seam across a large area, but it seems these mines are both in the Broadwell/Coalway area.</p>
<p><span style="color:#030;">&quot;Smith's Trenchard.<br />
2 May 1945  SMITH'S TRENCHARD No.2<br />
Granted to James William Fox, Henry Richard Corin, both of Broadwell Lane End, Frederick George Bowkett, Cinderford and Sydney Jones, Berry Hill.&quot; </span><br />
<a href="http://lightmoor.co.uk/forestcoal/CoalSmithsTrench.html">http://lightmoor.co.uk/forestcoal/CoalSmithsTrench.html</a></p>
<p>Clearly this is the same gentleman I mentioned earlier wrt Broadwell Memorial Hall.<br />
It appears he is definitely one of your ancestors, compare this PR from this site's database to my earlier 1871 Census transcript for Henry and Clara;</p>
<p><span style="color:#006;">Record_ID: 69165<br />
Entry_Number: 292<br />
Year: 1872<br />
Month: Oct<br />
Day: 6<br />
Parents_Surname: FOX<br />
Child_Forenames: James William<br />
Fathers_Forenames: Henry<br />
Mothers_Forenames: Clara<br />
Mothers_Surname: <br />
Residence: Coleford Lane End<br />
Occupation: Collier<br />
Officiating_Minister: H L Perry Vicar<br />
Event: Baptism<br />
Memoranda: <br />
Notes: <br />
Register_Reference: P88 IN 1/2<br />
Page_Number: 37<br />
Parish_Chapel: Clearwell<br />
Soundex: F200<br />
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This site's Database shows he married Caroline HIGGS of Broadwell in 1892 (he was a collier resident Broadwell Lane End, a witness was a Henry James Fox), James died in 1946 aged 73.</p>
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You can also search the PR database for Records which include James William FOX as the &quot;father&quot;. I've found some Baptisms, most show James as a collier living in Barnhill area, plus a 1924 Marriage Record for his son Percy. Percy marries a Mary Louise TAYLOR of Worrall Hill nr Lydbrook. The PR shows her father is Osman John Taylor. <br />
I recognise that name from my own tree, my paternal grandmother was a Lydbrook Taylor, Osman was her cousin. Osman was a Lydbrook collier, like my grandad, like so many Osman died young while in the pit; I've researched him thro the old newspapers etc and he died in an accident in Cannop Colliery, Lydbrook, in 1922, aged 44.  So thanks &quot;cousin&quot; Carl, for helping me extend my own tree.</p>
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Have you seen the &quot;Register of Freeminers&quot; database, from the Resources menu ?<br />
Searching the FOX surname gives 23 names, they are virtually all within the general Coleford / Lane End aka Broadwell area.<br />
<a href="http://forest-of-dean.net/joomla/index.php/freeminers-register">http://forest-of-dean.net/joomla/index.php/freeminers-register</a></p>
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For a detailed map of the Forest, showing the mines as of 1894, see<br />
<a href="http://lightmoor.co.uk/forestcoal/Overviewmap.html">http://lightmoor.co.uk/forestcoal/Overviewmap.html</a><br />
Each section can be enlarged by clicking on it. Black spots are coal mines aka pits, brown are iron mines.</p>
<p>For a study of the mines of the Coleford area up until 1850, when the mines were more numerous and smaller, I thoroughly recommend this excellent article which I've only found today after years of similar searches, so thanks again to you Carl !.<br />
<a href="http://www.gsia.org.uk/reprints/1980/gi198038.pdf">http://www.gsia.org.uk/reprints/1980/gi198038.pdf</a></p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Carl, welcome to this excellent website and friendly forum. I hope you take the time to browse thro the whole website, including it's old maps, photos, newspaper articles etc etc, as this will give you a real flavour of the Forest of Dean area, as well as tracing your family thro the Parish Records etc. (As an aside I also live in the London area, have done since moving from the Forest in the 80s, how I miss it now..).</p>
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Re Richard Fox and family, as posted by Slowhands earlier in this thread, here they are in the 1851 Census. I don't think it was mentioned, but as you can see they have FOX neighbours which I assume were related, in my experience FOX isn't a particularly common local surname.</p>
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<span style="color:#006;">1851 Lane End, West Dean.<br />
Given Name  Surname  Relationship  Age  Estimated Birth Year  Gender  Birth Place</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#006;">Richard  Fox  Head  37  1814  Male  Coalminer. West Dean, Gloucestershire, England<br />
Deinna  Fox  Wife  34  1817  Female  West Dean, Gloucestershire, England<br />
Richard  Fox  Son  14  1837  Male  Coleminer. West Dean, Gloucestershire, England<br />
Benjamin  Fox  Son  12  1839  Male  Scholar. West Dean, Gloucestershire, England<br />
Henry  Fox  Son  8  1843  Male  Scholar. West Dean, Gloucestershire, England<br />
Jane  Fox  Daughter  5  1846  Female  West Dean, Gloucestershire, England<br />
Harriet  Fox  Daughter  2  1849  Female  West Dean, Gloucestershire, England</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#006;">William  Fox  Head  61  1790  Male  Labourer. West Dean, Gloucestershire, England<br />
Ann  Fox  Wife  61  1790  Female  West Dean, Gloucestershire, England<br />
William  Fox  Son  29  1822  Male  Labourer. West Dean, Gloucestershire, England</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#006;">John  Fox  Head  72  1779  Male  Labourer. West Dean, Gloucestershire, England<br />
Rachel  Fox  Wife  67  1784  Female  Cardiff, Glamorgan, Wales</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#000;"><br />
As I think you know, Lane End is the very old name for the villages that lay on the roads &amp; tramways leaving Coleford eastwards into the Forest and Speech House. Nowadays they're more commonly known as Broadwell and Coalway. The following webpage gives a detailed history of Coleford and the area.<br />
<a href="http://www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/glos/vol5/pp117-138">http://www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/glos/vol5/pp117-138</a></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000;"><br />
The Census page preceding the above page shows it's address as Barnhill, this locality and road-name still exists and nicely places your FOXs in Broadwell rather than Coalway. In fact that Census page includes another FOX household;<br />
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1851 Census Barn Hill, West Dean<br />
George  Fox  Head  38  1813  Male  Carpenter journeyman. West Dean, Gloucestershire, England<br />
Carolene  Fox  Wife  24  1827  Female  West Dean, Gloucestershire, England<br />
Matilda  Fox  Daughter  1  1850  Female  West Dean, Gloucestershire, England</span></p>
<p> <br />
Unfortunately this area lies right on the edge of the relevant old Ordnance Survey maps, this one from 1883 shows Broadwell at the top left of the map.<br />
<a href="http://maps.nls.uk/view/101453661">http://maps.nls.uk/view/101453661</a><br />
(This is the adjoining map to the west, showing Coleford).<br />
<a href="http://maps.nls.uk/view/101453631">http://maps.nls.uk/view/101453631</a></p>
<p>As you can see Broadwell Lane End is near extensive stone quarries as well as coal mines, I suspect the Foxes described in the census as &quot;labourers&quot; were probably working there, and were not &quot;agricultural labourers&quot; in the usual UK Census sense (indeed this same census page does list one neighbour as an &quot;ag lab&quot;, rather than &quot;labourer&quot; as with your Foxes).</p>
<p>This later map from 1918 helpfully includes Broadwell on the same page as Coleford.<br />
<a href="http://maps.nls.uk/view/102346004">http://maps.nls.uk/view/102346004</a><br />
 <br />
If you find Broadwell Lane End, look for the lane running across the southern edge of Broadwell connecting Littledean Lane End and Barnhill Coal Pit.  On modern Google maps this is called &quot;Foxes Lane&quot;; it MAY perhaps be a link to your ancestor's part of the village.. ?.</p>
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1861 Census, Barnhill Lane End, West Dean<br />
Given Name  Surname  Relationship  Age  Estimated Birth Year  Gender  Birth City  Birth County  Birth Country<br />
Richard  Fox  Head  47  1814  Male  Coalminer. West Dean  Gloucestershire  England<br />
Desima  Fox  Wife  41  1820  Female  West Dean  Gloucestershire  England<br />
Benjamin  Fox  Son  17  1844  Male  Coleminer. West Dean  Gloucestershire  England<br />
Henry  Fox  Son  15  1846  Male  Coleminer. West Dean  Gloucestershire  England<br />
Jane  Fox  Daughter  14  1847  Female  Scholar. West Dean  Gloucestershire  England<br />
Harreit  Fox  Daughter  12  1849  Female  West Dean  Gloucestershire  England<br />
Rhoda  Fox  Daughter  9  1852  Female  Scholar. West Dean  Gloucestershire  England<br />
Julia  Fox  Daughter  6  1855  Female  Scholar. West Dean  Gloucestershire  England<br />
Ann  Fox  Daughter  4  1857  Female  West Dean  Gloucestershire  England<br />
Eliza  Fox  Daughter  3  1858  Female  West Dean  Gloucestershire  England</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#006;">William  Fox  Head  71  1790  Male  Coalminer. West Dean  Gloucestershire  England<br />
Ann  Fox  Wife  73  1788  Female  West Dean  Gloucestershire  England<br />
William  Fox  Son  40  1821  Male  Mason. West Dean  Gloucestershire  England</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#006;"><span style="color:#000;">(near neighbour)</span><br />
Rachel  Fox  Head  77  1784  Female  Pantryer  Gloucestershire  England<br />
<span style="color:#000;"></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#006;"><span style="color:#000;"><br />
Here's Henry on the next Census, now married, still next-door to family. <br />
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<p><span style="color:#006;"><span style="color:#006;">1871 Census, Littledean Lane End, West Dean.<br />
Given Name  Surname  Relationship  Age  Estimated Birth Year  Gender  Birth City  Birth County  Birth Country<br />
George  Fox  Head  56  1815  Male  Lane End  Gloucestershire  England<br />
Caroline  Fox  Wife  44  1827  Female  Pillowell  Gloucestershire  England<br />
Elizabeth  Fox  Daughter  18  1853  Female  Lane End  Gloucestershire  England<br />
Tom  Fox  Son  17  1854  Male  Lane End  Gloucestershire  England<br />
Richard  Fox  Son  12  1859  Male  Lane End  Gloucestershire  England<br />
Ellen  Fox  Daughter  9  1862  Female  Lane End  Gloucestershire  England<br />
George  Fox  Son  3  1868  Male  Lane End  Gloucestershire  England</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#006;"><span style="color:#006;">Henry  Fox  Head  25  1846  Male  Lane End  Gloucestershire  England<br />
Clara  Fox  Wife  19  1852  Female  Redbrook  Gloucestershire  England</span><br />
<span style="color:#000;"><br />
Henry's full marriage record to Clara POWELL dated 10 October 1869 can be found within this site's PRs, as I expect you already know.</span></span></p>
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Carl, I hope this may have been of some help, I don't want to reproduce the whole line as it seems you've already researched it, but if you have ANY specific queries we're all very happy to help.</span></span></p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear All</p>
<p>I am Carl and am Richard's great-great-great grandson through Henry, then Henry, then Doreen, then Lynne. I was born in NZ as was my mother and grandmother.  Apparently my great grandfather was born in Coleford.</p>
<p>Would be good to know any information on any of Richard's son Henry's siblings.  Hope to get to Coleford at some point as I live in London.  Very exciting!</p>
<p>Carl</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Sarah, and a warm welcome to this friendly and helpful forum. Thanks so much for such an informative post, I'm sure it will be useful to many other Fox hunters out there, as well as Donna of course. </p>
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<p>Many thanks again, Jeff.</p>
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<p>LATER UPDATE,  <br />
thanks Sarah for your prompt action.  Looking forward to hopefully helping you with your FH studies if we can, J.</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Donna, Yes your information is mostly correct.  <br />
I believe Tom Fox (1877) was the son of Benjamin Fox (1844) abd Emma Hawkins.  <br />
Benjamin (1844) was the son of Richard Fox and Decima Hamblyn.  <br />
I am the granddaughter of Tom (1877).  He did emigrate to NZ and married Veronica Bridget O'Brien in 1913.  My father Thomas Grahame Fox (1915) was the eldest of their five children. I would be very interest to know about Tom's (1877) sisters who I thought were Annie (1873), Emily (876) Bessie (1883) and Rose (1886).  My understanding is that the eldest son of Benjamin and Emma, Benjamin William (1870) was killed in the Boer War in 1900 along with two of his son.  His only surviving child Thomas Victor was sponsored to NZ by Tom (1877) and I have quite a bit of information on him.</p>
<p>Kind regards<br />
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kia ora from NZ</p>
<p>There is a marriage between Veronica Bridget O'Brien and Thomas Fox recorded in the NZ Births, Deaths, and Marriages register for 1913.</p>
<p>There are a multitude of deaths for variants on Thomas Fox - I can't select one for you because I do not have sufficient details, but you may be able to if you have a second given name for him - I have checked the age at death for the likely Thomas Foxes against the birth date you gave, but none of the ones I checked seemed to match.</p>
<p>There are no death records for Veronica Bridget Fox, but there is a death record for a Veronica Fox in 1968. Her age at death was 76 which means she was born about 1892, which would make this Veronica Fox about 21 in 1913 (time of her marriage).</p>
<p>I haven't looked for any births for their children.</p>
<p>My suggestion is that you go to:<br />
<a href="https://www.bdmonline.dia.govt.nz/">https://www.bdmonline.dia.govt.nz/</a> and carry out your search in Historical Records. Unfortunately you will have to pay for the full records.</p>
<p>Cheers<br />
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gloucestershirebdm (births after 1837)</p>
<p><a href="http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/bmd/MainMenu.aspx">http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/bmd/MainMenu.aspx</a></p>
<p>All Forest of Dean, Office: Monmouth Coleford</p>
<p>Mother's Maiden name HAMLIN and HAMLING</p>
<p>Ann  -  1856<br />
Eliza - 1858<br />
Francis - 1843  (Oct/Nov/Dec Qtr 1843)<br />
Harriet - 1848<br />
Henry - 1845<br />
Jane - 1847<br />
Milson - 1861<br />
Rhoda - 1851<br />
<strong>Richard - 1837</strong>  **<br />
Tom - 1863</p>
<p>1871 Census, Littledean and Lane End</p>
<p>FOX<br />
Richard - 51<br />
Desima - 52<br />
Ann - 14<br />
Melson - 10<br />
Tom - 8<br />
Harriet PACE, 22 - Boarder <br />
William PACE - 3 - Boarder</p>
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<p><br />
***  ????</p>
<p><br />
1841 Census, Newland<br />
Wm AMBLIN - 40<br />
Mary AMBLIN - 60<br />
<strong>Richard AMBLIN - 3</strong></p>
<p>---</p>
<p>?  Benjamin aged 12 on the 1851 census, is with the family<br />
? trying to find him on the 1841 census, although later census returns gives his dob a few years later….</p>
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<p><br />
Decima (Depina) on the 1841 census, is working as a Servant for a FOX family, and quite a few FOX families on the same census page.</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am looking for any help with the children of Richard and Decima Fox.  I currently have the following children accounted for in my family tree, Richard, Benjamin, Henry, Jane, Mary Anne, Harriet, Rhoda, Julia, Eliza Maria, Milson and Tom.  However there is a story in the family that there was also a son James (I can't find any info on him at present) who had a son called Tom in 1879 and Tom emigrated to New Zealand.  Once settled in  New Zealand Tom married Veronica O Brien and had five children.</p>
<p>I am trying to establish if the story is correct.  Any help or information regarding this would be greatly appreciated.</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interstingly there is a DECIMA Hamblin, dau. of William Hamblin,</p>
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1841 Coleford Meend<br />
Depina [DECIMA] Hamblin abt 1821  Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest  Gloucestershire  </p>
<p>Name: William Fox<br />
Name: Decima Hamblin ( dau of William , Miner)<br />
Year of Registration: 1843  <br />
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun  <br />
DISTRICT: Westbury On Severn  <br />
County: Gloucestershire  <br />
Volume: 11  <br />
Page: 591 </p>
<p>Year 1843 <br />
Month Jun <br />
Day 18 <br />
Groom Surname FOX <br />
Groom Forename(s) Richard <br />
Groom Age at Marriage 29 <br />
Groom condition Bachelor <br />
Groom Rank or Profession Miner <br />
Groom Residence Forest of Dean <br />
Groom Father's Surname Fox <br />
Groom Father's Forename(s) William <br />
Groom Father's Rank or Profession Miner <br />
Bride Surname HAMBLYN <br />
Bride Forename(s) Decima <br />
Bride Age at Marriage 24 <br />
Bride Condition Spinster <br />
Bride Rank or Profession Servant <br />
Bride Residence Forest of Dean <br />
Bride Father's Surname Hamblyn <br />
Bide Father's Forename(s) William <br />
Bride Father's Rank or Profession Miner</p>
<p>1851 Lane End<br />
Richard Fox abt 1814  West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head  West Dean  Gloucestershire<br />
 Deinna Fox  abt 1817  West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife  West Dean  Gloucestershire <br />
Benjamin Fox  abt 1839  West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son  West Dean  Gloucestershire   <br />
 Harriet Fox abt 1849  West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter  West Dean  Gloucestershire   <br />
Henry Fox abt 1843  West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son  West Dean  Gloucestershire   <br />
Jane Fox  abt 1846  West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter  West Dean  Gloucestershire  <br />
 Richard Fox abt 1837  West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son  West Dean  Gloucestershire</p>
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1881 Barn Hill nr Coleford<br />
Richard Fox  66 <br />
 Desima Fox  61 <br />
 Milson Fox  19 <br />
 Tom Fox  18 <br />
 William Page (PACE) 13 Grandchildren<br />
 George Page (PACE)  10 <br />
 Benjamin Morgan  4 </p>
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1871 nr Barn Hill<br />
Richard Fox  51 <br />
 Desima Fox  52 <br />
 Ann Fox  14 <br />
 Eliza Fox  13 <br />
 Melson Fox  10 <br />
 Tom Fox  8 <br />
 Harriet Pace  22 <br />
 William Pace  3 </p>
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PACE William Henry PACE  FOX 1867 Forest of Dean Monmouth, Coleford <br />
PACE Emma Jane PACE PACE 1869 Forest of Dean Monmouth, Coleford 25 321  <br />
PACE George Richard PACE  FOX 1871 Forest of Dean Monmouth, Coleford 27 342 </p>
<p><br />
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PACE George <br />
FOX Harriet <br />
Forest of Dean Monmouth Register Office  <br />
 1867 6 14</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The IGI ( member submitted) entry :-</p>
<p>Mary Hamblin  <br />
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Event(s): <br />
 Birth:  About 1822   Of, Newland, Gloucester, England <br />
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Parents: <br />
  Father:  William Hamblin  <br />
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Marriages: <br />
  Spouse:  Henry Morgan   <br />
  Marriage:  24 DEC 1840   Newland, Gloucester, England <br />
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Messages: <br />
 Record submitted by a member of the LDS Church.  </p>
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seesm to conflict with the Parish transcription :-</p>
<p>Year 1840 <br />
Month Dec <br />
Day 24 <br />
Groom Surname MORGAN <br />
Groom Forename(s) Henry <br />
Groom Age at Marriage Mino <br />
Groom condition Bachelor <br />
Groom Rank or Profession Collier <br />
Groom Residence Edingwall <br />
Groom Father's Surname Morgan <br />
Groom Father's Forename(s) James <br />
Groom Father's Rank or Profession Collier <br />
Bride Surname HAMBLIN <br />
Bride Forename(s) Maria <br />
Bride Age at Marriage Mino <br />
Bride Condition Spinster <br />
Bride Rank or Profession none stated <br />
Bride Residence Coleford Lane End <br />
Bride Father's Surname Hamblin <br />
Bride Father's Forename(s) James <br />
Bride Father's Rank or Profession Collier </p>
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1841 Edenwall nr Coalway<br />
Henry Morgan abt 1826  Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest  Gloucestershire   <br />
Maria Morgan abt 1821  Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest  Gloucestershire  </p>
<p>1851 Palmers Flat nr Coalway<br />
 Henry Morgan abt 1823  West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head  West Dean  Gloucestershire   <br />
 Maria Morgan abt 1822  West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife  West Dean  Gloucestershire   <br />
Leah Bya Morgan  abt 1848  West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter  West Dean  Gloucestershire   <br />
Moses Morgan abt 1843  West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son  West Dean  Gloucestershire</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My ggg grandmother, Maria Hamblin married Henry Morgan on 24th december 1840.  Her father is named as William Hamblin.<br />
Does anybody know whether the William Hamblin who married Mary Smith in Jan 1849 and states that his father was a William Hamblin (Collier)is the brother of Maria.<br />
Maria was born abt 1822 but I so far have not been able to track William Jnrs age down as he is just 'of full age' at the time of his marriage and Iam unable to locate him on any of the census!<br />
Any help much appreciated!<br />
Sue</p>
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