Forest of Dean FHT Forum - Alfred/albert Lewis Whitecroft

Alfred/albert Lewis Whitecroft (reply)

Nicky — Sun, 19 Apr 2020 14:03:10 +0000

Thank you so much, that's been a great help
Very much appreciated

Alfred/albert Lewis Whitecroft (reply)

shepway — Sat, 18 Apr 2020 16:59:39 +0000

This is the Notice of Death for Virtue published in 2013:
NELMES Virtue May On 22nd June at the Coombs Nursing Home, Coleford, Virtue May, aged 94 years. Beloved wife of Ron, devoted mother of David, mother-in-law of Nicola, dearly loved nan of Claire and Tim, much loved nanny of Thomas, Megan and Luke. Funeral service Wednesday 3rd July, 12.30pm at The Forest of Dean Crematorium. Family flowers only, donations for the Friends of Lydney Hospital may be sent to Philip Blatchly & Son, Regents Court, Regent Street, Lydney. Glos. GL15 5RL. Tel: 01594 842877.

Mike

Alfred/albert Lewis Whitecroft (reply)

shepway — Sat, 18 Apr 2020 16:45:50 +0000

The 1939 Register was first published on Find My Past in 2015 and persons less than 100 years old at that time were blocked other than where it was known that the person had died.

Ralph is almost certainly blocked. He was born after 1919 and may have been alive at time the 1939 register was published. I have not been able to locate his death.

Virtue was born 7 November 1918 and married Ronald Nelmes in 1943. Both were still alive in 2010 and at an address in Lydney. I assume that both are now deceased.

Lily was born 28 March 1920 and married Robert James Greenway in 1942. She subsequently married Vernon George John Smythe in 1947. Lily was still alive in 2010 at an address in Lydney. Vernon died 25 May 1967(Source - Probate Register)

Mike

Alfred/albert Lewis Whitecroft (reply)

Nicky — Sat, 18 Apr 2020 15:42:49 +0000

There is also a son Ralph born 1927, is it likely that Albert is blocked as elizabeth
is def no. 2 on the list

Alfred/albert Lewis Whitecroft (reply)

shepway — Sat, 18 Apr 2020 15:35:32 +0000

Find My Past

You have accessed it from Ancestry and comparing with FMP two of the three that are blocked are daughters Virtue and Lily.

Mike

Alfred/albert Lewis Whitecroft (reply)

Nicky — Sat, 18 Apr 2020 15:15:24 +0000

Where did you go on the 1939 register please? On the one I access it
shows Elizabeth as the 2nd person in household and her 3 children are
locked.

Alfred/albert Lewis Whitecroft (reply)

Nicky — Sat, 18 Apr 2020 14:42:22 +0000

Thank you. Much appreciated

Alfred/albert Lewis Whitecroft (reply)

shepway — Sat, 18 Apr 2020 14:21:53 +0000

Mother's maiden name is included in records on FreeBMD from September 1911. For prior to this date you can obtain this information from GRO Index https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/indexes_search.asp (you have to register). You can also order certificates online.
For Gloucestershire records go to http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/bmd/MainMenu.aspx

GRO Search Results:
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
LEWIS, EDITH ELIZABETH DUFTY
GRO Reference: 1882 D Quarter in MONMOUTH Volume 11A Page 21
LEWIS, ELIZABETH DUFTY
GRO Reference: 1884 D Quarter in MONMOUTH Volume 11A Page 22
LEWIS, WILLIAM ALFRED SENFTY (Transcription error)
GRO Reference: 1887 D Quarter in MONMOUTH Volume 11A Page 19
LEWIS, EMILY DUFTY
GRO Reference: 1890 D Quarter in MONMOUTH Volume 11A Page 24
LEWIS, ALBERT DUFTY
GRO Reference: 1893 S Quarter in MONMOUTH Volume 11A Page 22

GlosBMD Search Results:
Child Surname Child Forename Mother's Former Name Year District Office Register Entry
LEWIS Edith Elizabeth DUFTY 1882 Forest of Dean Monmouth, Coleford 40 329
LEWIS Elizabeth DUFTY 1884 Forest of Dean Monmouth, Coleford 42 240
LEWIS William Alfred DUFTY 1887 Forest of Dean Monmouth, Coleford 45 48
LEWIS Emily DUFTY 1890 Forest of Dean Monmouth, Coleford 47 372
LEWIS Albert DUFTY 1893 Forest of Dean Monmouth, Coleford 50 188

Mike

Alfred/albert Lewis Whitecroft (reply)

Nicky — Sat, 18 Apr 2020 13:51:53 +0000

Can I ask please where you found the birth entry showing his mothers maiden name
please?

Alfred/albert Lewis Whitecroft (reply)

Nicky — Sat, 18 Apr 2020 13:42:53 +0000

Wow thank you! That seems to be the one!
Much appreciated

Alfred/albert Lewis Whitecroft (reply)

shepway — Sat, 18 Apr 2020 10:45:28 +0000

It would appear that Albert's father was not Luke. This is Albert's birth registration:
Child Surname Child Forename Mother's Former Name Year District Office Register Entry
LEWIS Albert DUFTY 1893 Forest of Dean Monmouth, Coleford 50 188

And this is Luke's Burial 2 years earlier:
Year: 1891
Month: Jul
Day: 26
Surname: LEWIS
Forenames: Luke
Residence: Whitecroft
Age_at_death: 37
Officiating_Minister: Jno. (sic) (John) Jos[ep]h Ebsworth (Vicar)
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P245 IN 1/30
Page_No: 69
Parish_Chapel: Parkend

Annie or Annis married Thomas Hill in 1897:
Groom Surname Groom Forename Bride Surname Bride Forename District Parish Building Year Register Entry
HILL Thomas LEWIS Annie Forest of Dean Monmouth Register Office 1897 18 171
HILL Thomas DUFTY Annie Forest of Dean Monmouth Register Office 1897 18 171

Albert was with Thomas Hill in 1911 but his mother is not listed and it appears that she died in 1901

1911 Census For England & Wales
Chapel House Whitecroft Gloucestershire, West Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Members that resided in the household at the time of the census.
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Thomas Hill Head Married Male 56 1855 Haulier Above Ground Sapperton
George Hill Son Single Male 38 1873 Colliery Hewer Glouceshire
Albert Lewis Son Single Male 16 1895 Colliery Hewer Whitecroft
Annie Hill Daughter Single Female 14 1897 - Whitecroft
Gladys Hill Daughter Single Female 12 1899 School Whitecroft

Year: 1901
Month: Jul
Day: 4
Surname: HILL
Forenames: Annie
Residence: Whitecroft
Age_at_death: 41
Officiating_Minister: D.J.Banham (Vicar)
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda: Old Ch[urch]y[ar]d
Notes:
Register_Reference: P245 IN 1/30
Page_No: 101
Parish_Chapel: Parkend

She had a daughter Mary at about that time and who died in October aged 4 months.(Burial on this website.)

This would appear to be Albert's marriage to Gertrude PREEST (Note no name is given for his father):
Year: 1918
Month: Jun
Day: 24
Grooms_Surname: LEWIS
Grooms_Forenames: Albert
Grooms_Age: 24
Groom_Condition: Batchelor
Grooms_Occupation: Serving in His Magisty's Forces
Grooms_Residence: Whitecroft
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: [not stated]
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: [not stated]
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Not stated
Brides_Surname: PREEST
Brides_Forenames: Gertrude Elizabeth
Brides_Age: 18
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Saunders Green Bream
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Preest
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Samuel
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Collier
Licence_or_Banns: Licence
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both sign
Witness_1: Clarence Aubrey Preest
Witness_2: Vera Lawrence
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: G W Leonard Case
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P57 IN 1/9
Page_Number: 29
Parish_Chapel: Bream

Children baptised at Bream:
Year Surname First Name Fathers Forename Mothers Forename Event Parish/Chapel
1918 LEWIS Virtue May Albert Gertrude Elizabeth Baptism Bream
1920 LEWIS Lily Albert Gertrude Elizabeth Baptism Bream
1928 LEWIS Ralph Sheaf Albert Gertrude Elizabeth Baptism Bream

The Baptism Record for Virtue tells us that Albert was in the Machine Gun Corps during the First World War.

1939 Register
Friars Level Cottages Saunders Green, West Dean R.D., Gloucestershire, England
Household
(5 people)
First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number
The record for this person is officially closed.
Elizabeth G Lewis 01 Nov 1899 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 165 2
Virtue Nelmes (Lewis) 07 Nov 1918 Female Shorthand Typist Single 165 3
Lily Smythe (Greenway,Lewis) 28 Mar 1920 Female Typist Single 165

Albert is missing - possibly in the Forces.

Finally Burials for Gertrude and Albert

Year: 1957
Month: Aug
Day: 7
Surname: LEWIS
Forenames: Elizabeth Gertrude
Residence: Saunder's Green Bream
Age_at_death: 57
Officiating_Minister: J.Wyn Davies
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P57 IN 1/19
Page_No: 28
Parish_Chapel: Bream

Year: 1974
Month: Dec
Day: 5
Surname: LEWIS
Forenames: Albert
Residence: 1 Park Grove Whitecroft
Age_at_death: 81
Officiating_Minister: E.C.Mussel White
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P57 IN 1/19
Page_No: 87
Parish_Chapel: Bream

Mike

Alfred/albert Lewis Whitecroft (reply)

Nicky — Sat, 18 Apr 2020 07:24:22 +0000

Thank you, I'll try find their marriage to establish if its Luke,

Alfred/albert Lewis Whitecroft (reply)

probinson — Fri, 17 Apr 2020 17:20:16 +0000

1939 register has an Albert Lewis, born 1894, living at Forge Hill, West Dean, with Clare M Lewis and two other people.

Alfred/albert Lewis Whitecroft

Nicky — Fri, 17 Apr 2020 16:14:25 +0000

I have hit a big brick wall regarding my 2 x great uncle.
Born Alfred he then became Albert!!

Born 1894 in Whitecroft to Luke Lewis and Annis Dufty. Luke died and Annis
Remarried To Thomas Hill.

In 1901 he was age 7 named Alfred
In 1911 he was 16 named Albert.

In 1920 his half sister Gladys hill married to Henry George Phillips and he was
Down as a witness...name Albert.

Possible death in 1974 in Whitecroft but not certain.

Any help would be fantastic

Nicky