Forest of Dean FHT Forum - Burwash

Burwash (reply)

Sue_Tovey — Wed, 05 Jun 2013 20:08:24 +0000

I'm sure you're right - many thanks!

Violet Adelina ENGLAND (mother: nee WILLIAMS) (reply)

Sue_Tovey — Wed, 05 Jun 2013 20:03:12 +0000

Many thanks for taking the trouble to provide all this additional information; I really appreciate it!

Violet Adelina ENGLAND, the jilted woman 1905 - 2000 (reply)

Sue_Tovey — Wed, 05 Jun 2013 19:59:28 +0000

Hi Mike,

Many thanks for taking the trouble to provide the additional information - much appreciated! No doubt the poor woman was scarred for life by her traumatic experience at the hands of Great Uncle Frank! Interestingly, Frank subsequently made it to the altar with someone else in 1938 and then married bigamously in 1942 [but doesn't appear to have remained long in either relationship], so appears to have been quite a character!

Regards,

Sue

Burwash (reply)

slowhands — Tue, 04 Jun 2013 22:24:18 +0000

I have looked at the banns book at the archives and the entry is there and has not been overwritten

The banns were read on the 4th, 11th and 18th of April 1937

Between

Frank Delicat[e] bachelor of the parish of Birwash, Sussex and Violet Adelina England of this parish

Burwash, East Sussex possibly (?) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burwash

Violet Adelina ENGLAND (mother: nee WILLIAMS) (reply)

m p griffiths — Tue, 04 Jun 2013 21:51:37 +0000

FoD records

Baptism at Newent - 6 August 1905

Violet Adelina ENGLAND

parents: James (labourer) & Mary

residence: Market Square

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Gloucestershirebdm:

Mother's maiden name: WILLIAMS

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FoD records

Marriage at Newent: 22 September 1901

James Henry ENGLAND - age 22, Bachelor,
occupation: Groom
residence: newent

father: William ENGLAND, (Collier)

married

Mary WILLIAMS - age 19 - Spinster
residence: Newent
father: Henry WILLIAMS, labourer
by banns

witnesses: W JAMES - E A JAMES

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1911 Census, Newent, Bury Bar

ENGLAND

James - 32 - (Circular Wood Sawyer, Saw Mills) born Newent
Mary - 30 - born Cardiff
Majorie - 8
Lily - 7
Violet - 5
Ernest - 3
James - 6 months

Violet Adelina ENGLAND, the jilted woman 1905 - 2000 (reply)

shepway — Tue, 04 Jun 2013 21:03:27 +0000

And it would appear that she never married:

Name: Violet Adeline England
Birth Date: 14 Jul 1905
Date of Registration: May 2000
Age at Death: 94
Registration District: Gloucester
Inferred County: Gloucestershire
Register Number: C59
District and Subdistrict: 4831C
Entry number: 29

Mike

Violet Adelina England, the jilted woman (reply)

dink999 — Tue, 04 Jun 2013 19:51:19 +0000

I have looked at the banns book at the archives and the entry is there and has not been overwritten

The banns were read on the 4th, 11th and 18th of April 1937

Between

Frank Delicat[e] bachelor of the parish of Birwash, Sussex and Violet Adelina England of this parish

Frank Delicate [1912-1968] - Upleadon, Marriage Banns 1937 (reply)

Sue_Tovey — Mon, 27 May 2013 08:50:06 +0000

Thanks Graham, that's helpful - disappointing as it is - I'll keep looking for the Banns.

Frank Delicate [1912-1968] - Upleadon, Marriage Banns 1937 (reply)

grahamdavison — Sun, 26 May 2013 20:19:37 +0000

David is right the register was completed beforehand and the crossed out, unfortunately the crossing out was so good that it was completely unreadable, but I think the marriage was by Banns.

Frank Delicate [1912-1968] - Upleadon, Marriage Banns 1937 (reply)

Sue_Tovey — Sun, 26 May 2013 15:35:00 +0000

Many thanks! That possibility hadn't occurred to me, but given the timing of the other two marriages at Upleadon in 1937, it does seem quite likely that the marriage was written up and then crossed out. I'll follow that up. Thanks again!

Frank Delicate [1912-1968] - Upleadon, Marriage Banns 1937 (reply)

dink999 — Sun, 26 May 2013 14:42:54 +0000

Reading the article there are some clues that may help in identifying the jilted bride.

" his bride to be, a Newent woman"

" the couple met at a whist drive about 2 years ago"

"The woman was in service at the Vicarage, Upleadon"

" The bride and bridesmaids were dressed and waiting at the bride's sisters house a mile or so away from the church"

" she is on the verge of a nervous breakdown, the bride's mother told an Echo reporter"

I wonder if the marriage register was already "written up" and had to be crossed out, it may be worth a look

The 2 marriages for Upleadon in 1937 have entry numbers 111 ( for April) and 113 ( for November) so my guess is that entry 112 is for Frank Delicate and unknown in May ( date of newspaper article) of that year.

Frank DELICATE 1912-1967 (reply)

Sue_Tovey — Sun, 26 May 2013 11:10:51 +0000

You're right, it's not a Gloucestershire name. My grandfather's family were all born and bred in Derby and this particular branch of Delicates hailed from Gilling, North Yorkshire. From what I can gather, Frank was an itinerant and had met the lady in question some two years previously when he was living at the Wayfarers' Home at Pauntley. They kept in contact after he left Pauntley, but I've no idea who the jilted bride was - hence I'm hoping to track down the Banns [or, I guess, a Marriage Licence]. He was born 22 March 1912 and died 1 February 1967, marrying twice [1938 and 1942].

Frank DELICATE 1912-1967 (reply)

slowhands — Sun, 26 May 2013 10:52:11 +0000

I've recently come across an article in the Gloucestershire Echo [Tuesday, 18 May 1937], which suggests that my Great Uncle, Frank DELICATE, jilted his bride to be [unnamed] two hours before their wedding was scheduled to take place at Upleadon Church on 17 May 1937. I'm trying to locate the Banns for this event in an attempt to discover the name of the jilted bride. Any help will be gratefully received!

It didnt seem like a local surname :-)

Name:Frank Delicate
Mother's Maiden Name:Morrell
Date of Registration:Apr-May-Jun 1912
Registration District:Derby
Inferred County:Derbyshire
Volume:7b
Page:1174

Name:Frank Delicate
Birth Date:abt 1913
Date of Registration:Jan-Feb-Mar 1967
Age at Death:54
Registration District:Derby
Inferred County:Derbyshire
Volume:3a
Page:236

Frank Delicate [1912-1968] - Upleadon, Marriage Banns 1937

Sue_Tovey — Sat, 25 May 2013 16:55:36 +0000

I've recently come across an article in the Gloucestershire Echo [Tuesday, 18 May 1937], which suggests that my Great Uncle, Frank DELICATE, jilted his bride to be [unnamed] two hours before their wedding was scheduled to take place at Upleadon Church on 17 May 1937. I'm trying to locate the Banns for this event in an attempt to discover the name of the jilted bride. Any help will be gratefully received!