Forest of Dean FHT Forum - John BALDWIN 1849 Ruardean Hill

John BALDWIN 1849 Ruardean Hill (reply)

glasfryn — Sun, 22 Jul 2012 15:41:59 +0000

hi Jim
you are right to good a day
eastbourne seafront has been beconing
we will I am sure sort it out between us, one thing to say here though to many people in the family with the same names.

John BALDWIN 1849 Ruardean Hill (reply)

jimashton — Sun, 22 Jul 2012 12:23:32 +0000

Roger

It is rare to have such a nice day, so I will not be on line for long. But for continuity of the thread, and possible assistance from Slowhands !!

Thank you for your email, although I do have Ancestry membership I could not seem to get into your Public Access Bertha Baldwin 1891 Tree. Noting a few trees based upon this person, I looked at them and it has caused me to rethink my line here. I now believe that the William Baldwin who married Hannah Bailey was in fact William Baldwin baptised 16 Oct 1791, son of Charles Baldwin 1755 & Elizabeth Dovey 1759. The Ancestry tree's attribute the William Baldwin who married Hannah Bailey as being the son of Charles Baldwin 1737 & Betty, but I believe this is missing a generation. Charles Baldwin 1755 I mention above is the son of Charles Baldwin 1737 & Betty.

Another factor which causes me to believe this, is that one witness of the wedding between William Baldwin & Hannah Bailey was Winifred Baldwin. William Baldwin 1791, son of Chales Baldwin & Elizabeth Dovey, had a sister Winifred. The other witness was Charles Baldwin and he had a father and brother Charles.

I did note the deaths of William Baldwin & Hannah Baldwin nee Bailey from posted death certificates did occur on the same day but 21st January 1863, not as I previously said 1st January.

Always wishing to be as accurate as possible, I will - but not today and waste the sun - amend my tree as above.

Jim Ashton

John BALDWIN 1849 Ruardean Hill (reply)

jimashton — Fri, 20 Jul 2012 12:25:17 +0000

Slowhands is right as usual, the parents of Mary Baldwin 1825, mother of the illegitimate John Baldwin 1849, were indeed William Baldwin 1779/1863 & Hannah Bailey 1789/1863 - married 8 Oct 1816.

Three items of interest here; firstly they were living apart in 1861 :

1861 Census East Dean RG9 1754 236
William Baldwin mar 81 Lab East Dean

1861 Census East Dean
Mary Baldwin head unmarried 39 Char Woman East Dean
John son 12 East Dean
Abraham son 10 East Dean
Ephraim son 3 East Dean
Hannah Baldwin Lodgers mother 70

1841 Census Dean Forest
Wm Baldwin b 1785
Hannah b 1791
James b 1819
Mary b 1825
Nehemiah b 1825
Elisha born1830
Peter b 1828
Timothy b 1832

The 1851 Census included in Slowhands posting, shows William as a Coal Miner. However another researcher has given me this information :

In 1842/3 William Baldwin, a shopkeeper (63), of Ruardean brought an action against the vicar, Rev. Henry Formby, for extending the churchyard and in doing so exposing the bones of his parents Richard and Sarah and of his brother Richard. He must have lost his case because costs of £6.16.8 were awarded against him.

It is possible that he could have been a shopkeeper in 1842, before becoming a Coal Miner at aged 70 in 1851, it casts some doubt. The parents quoted are those that I have for him Richard Baldwin & Sarah Herbert 1744/1816 1748/1813. Also William Baldwin did indeed have a brother Richard 1774/1840, so his grave could be one to be disturbed.

The baptism I have for him is shown below, together with the 3rd intesting item I have for him, the fact that William & Hannah Baldwin died on the same day 1st Jan 1863 and were buried on the same day. The gap between the two events, leads you to think of suspicious circumstances :

Year: 1779
Month: Feb
Day: 10
Parents_Surname: BALDWIN
Child_Forenames: William
Fathers_Forenames: Richard
Mothers_Forenames: Sarah
Mothers_Surname:
Residence:
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister: J H BEESTON - minister
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P275 IN 1/5
Page_Number: 52
Parish_Chapel: Ruardean

Year: 1863
Month: Jan
Day: 25
Surname: BALDWIN
Forenames: William
Residence: Ruardean Hill
Age_at_death: 82 years
Officiating_Minister: H.G Nicholls
Event: Burial
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/11
Page_No: 175
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook

Year: 1863
Month: Jan
Day: 25
Surname: BALDWIN
Forenames: Hannah
Residence: Ruardean Hill
Age_at_death: 73 years
Officiating_Minister: H.G Nicholls
Event: Burial
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/11
Page_No: 175
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook

Mary Baldwin 1825 had 2 other illegitimate children, who are to be found in the various census :
James Abraham 1851 & Ephraim 1858, the latter was baptised 28 Mar 1858, but cannot find James Abraham, which may be due to changing names; shown James 1851, Abraham 1861

Lastly I make no excuses for appealing again for information concerning the parents of Richard Baldwin 1744

Jim Ashton

John BALDWIN 1849 Ruardean Hill (reply)

glasfryn — Mon, 16 Jul 2012 21:24:56 +0000

thats about as far as I had got nothing on any of the census he will just have to go down as "father unknown" for now
I might at a later date go through the military records for that time if there are any

thanks for that slowhands

John BALDWIN 1849 Ruardean Hill (reply)

slowhands — Mon, 16 Jul 2012 19:32:56 +0000

hello cousin Jim
firstly its nice to find you
secondly Slowhands opened up my family on my mums side right back very nearly to 1500 and on both sides of the family its difficult to get past 1500

John Baldwin 1849-1915 I cannot find a father no matter how I try and william Mills was hung at Yate Gloucester goal

the things you find out

Year: 1849
Month: Feb
Day: 4
Parents_Surname: BALDWIN
Child_Forenames: John
Fathers_Forenames: [not stated]
Mothers_Forenames: Mary
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Ruardeans Hill
Occupation: [not stated]
Officiating_Minister: H G Nicholls Incumbent
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/2
Page_Number: 80
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook

living with his mother and grandparents...

1851 Ruardean Hill
William Baldwin abt 1781 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
Hannah Baldwin abt 1789 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire
Mary Baldwin abt 1824 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
John Baldwin abt 1849 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
James Baldwin abt 1851 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire

the Evans family (reply)

glasfryn — Mon, 16 Jul 2012 17:12:36 +0000

hello cousin Jim
firstly its nice to find you
secondly Slowhands opened up my family on my mums side right back very nearly to 1500 and on both sides of the family its difficult to get past 1500

John Baldwin 1849-1915 I cannot find a father no matter how I try and william Mills was hung at Yate Gloucester goal

the things you find out

the Evans family (reply)

jimashton — Fri, 13 Jul 2012 11:19:02 +0000

Hi Roger

I have a hundred or so Evans in my Family Tree so decided to look at this thread. I do however have 466 Baldwins and this made it more interesting. Until following Slowhands (as usual) superb response I only had Bertha Baldwin 22 Jun 1891, daughter of John Baldwin 1849 & Elizabeth Greening 1848 - married 14 Aug 1870 Cinderford in my Family Tree, but have now entered Slowhands details and find (or rather my PC finds) that you are my 6th cousin.

I have a lot of details for your Baldwin ancestors, which you might already know. If you go back 3 generations from John Baldwin 1849 you get to Richard Baldwin 1744 & Sarah Herbert 1748. I have strived for years to find details of the ancestors of Richard Baldwin 1744 without success, but can trace Sarah Herbert 1748 back a further 4 generations to one of my 8 times Great Grandparents David Herbert & Alice.

If you email me by clicking on the envelope icon, I can provide you with details if you wish.

Jim Ashton

Evelyn Joyce EVANS 1921 - 1982 Cinderford / Ruspidge area (reply)

glasfryn — Tue, 10 Jul 2012 15:09:20 +0000

blimey
this looks very much like a nail on the head
thank you Slowhands
bertha Baldwin was one that stood out but you have made the connection

thanks again and I will be back very soon
I only got to page 47
great reading

Evelyn Joyce EVANS 1921 - 1982 Cinderford / Ruspidge area (reply)

slowhands — Tue, 10 Jul 2012 14:43:03 +0000

Evans/Baldwin

EVANS Albert Frank
BALDWIN Bertha
Forest of Dean
Cinderford Woodside St Stephen
1911 2 19

Evelyn J Evans Jan-Feb-Mar 1922 Chepstow Monmouthshire

Year: 1922
Month: Jan
Day: 1
Parents_Surname: EVANS
Child_Forenames: Evelyn Joyce
Fathers_Forenames: Albert Frank
Mothers_Forenames: Bertha
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: 34 Bridge Street
Occupation: Insurance Collector
Officiating_Minister: D Hughes Vicar
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: B Nov 30 1921
Notes:
Register_Reference:
Page_Number: 274
Parish_Chapel: Chepstow

Name: Joyce Evelyn Davis
Birth Date: 30 Nov 1921
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1982
Age at Death: 60
Registration district: Gloucester
Inferred County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 22
Page: 1975

Bertha BALDWIN 1891 - x Cinderford / Ruspidge area (reply)

slowhands — Tue, 10 Jul 2012 14:35:40 +0000

Evans/Baldwin

EVANS Albert Frank
BALDWIN Bertha
Forest of Dean
Cinderford Woodside St Stephen
1911 2 19

You can see the "family" names here :-

1881
John Baldwin abt 1848 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head Westbury on Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Baldwin abt 1848 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife Westbury on Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Baldwin abt 1869 Westbury, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Westbury on Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
Rhoda Baldwin abt 1872 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Westbury on Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
Thomas Baldwin abt 1875 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son Westbury on Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
Harriett Baldwin abt 1877 Flaxley Mesne, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Westbury on Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
Alice Baldwin abt 1880 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Westbury on Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
Harriett Baldwin abt 1838 Crow Hill, Hereford, England Lodger Westbury on Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
William Hill abt 1866 Crow Hill, Hereford, England Lodger Westbury on Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire

1891
John Baldwin abt 1845 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Baldwin abt 1845 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire
Tom Baldwin abt 1875 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Alice Baldwin abt 1879 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Luke Baldwin abt 1881 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Leah Baldwin abt 1883 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Florence Baldwin abt 1885 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Frank Baldwin abt 1887 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire

Year: 1891
Month: Aug
Day: 9
Parents_Surname: BALDWIN
Child_Forenames: Bertha
Fathers_Forenames: John
Mothers_Forenames: Elizabeth
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Woodside
Occupation: Collier
Officiating_Minister: C. W. Houlston
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: Born Jun 22 1891
Notes:
Register_Reference: P85/2IN 1/1
Page_Number: 65
Parish_Chapel: Cinderford St Stephen

1901
John Baldwin abt 1848 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Baldwin abt 1848 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire
Alice Baldwin abt 1879 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Leah Baldwin abt 1882 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Florence Baldwin abt 1886 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Frank Baldwin abt 1887 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Bertha Baldwin abt 1891 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Norah Baldwin abt 1894 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Emily Bluett abt 1900 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Granddaughter East Dean, Gloucestershire

1911
Bertha Baldwin abt 1892 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Servant Reigate, Surrey

Year: 1911
Month: Nov
Day: 18
Grooms_Surname: EVANS
Grooms_Forenames: Albert Frank
Grooms_Age: 23
Groom_Condition: Batchelor
Grooms_Occupation: Collier
Grooms_Residence: Ruspridge Cinderford
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Evans
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: Joseph
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Collier
Brides_Surname: BALDWIN
Brides_Forenames: Bertha
Brides_Age: 20
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Cinderford
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Baldwin
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: John
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Collier
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both sign
Witness_1: Frank Baldwin
Witness_2: Frances E Evans
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: J Martin Vicar
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P85/2 IN 1/7
Page_Number: 10
Parish_Chapel: Cinderford St Stephen

possible death
Bertha Evans abt 1892 Jan-Feb-Mar 1961 Cheltenham Gloucestershire
or
Bertha Evans 1892 Apr-May-Jun 1970 Cheltenham Gloucestershire

Albert Frank EVANS 1888 - 1954 Cinderford / Ruspidge area (reply)

slowhands — Tue, 10 Jul 2012 14:26:31 +0000

Evans/Baldwin

EVANS Albert Frank
BALDWIN Bertha
Forest of Dean
Cinderford Woodside St Stephen
1911 2 19

Name: Albert Frank Evans
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1888
Registration district: Westbury on Severn
Inferred County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 23

Year: 1890
Month: Sep
Day: 7
Parents_Surname: EVANS
Child_Forenames: Albert Frank
Fathers_Forenames: Joseph
Mothers_Forenames: Emily
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Ruspidge Cinderford
Occupation: Collier
Officiating_Minister: W[illia]m Lynes Vicar
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: Born Jun 30 1888
Notes:
Register_Reference: P85/1 IN 1/2
Page_Number: 227
Parish_Chapel: Cinderford St John

1891
Joseph Evans abt 1858 Wooleston, Woolaston Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
Emily Evans abt 1859 East Dean Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire
George Evans abt 1886 East Dean Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Albert F Evans abt 1888 East Dean Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Harry Evans abt 1890 East Dean Son East Dean, Gloucestershire

1901
Joseph Evans abt 1858 Woolaston, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
Emily Evans abt 1859 Ruspidge, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire
Sam G Evans abt 1887 Ruspidge Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Albert F Evans abt 1889 Ruspidge Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Harry Evans abt 1891 Ruspidge Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Francis E Evans abt 1893 Ruspidge Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Charles H Evans abt 1896 Ruspidge Son East Dean, Gloucestershire

Year: 1954
Month: Jan
Day: 27
Surname: EVANS
Forenames: Albert Frank
Residence: 303 Old Bath Road Cheltenham
Age_at_death: 65 years
Officiating_Minister: Tom T Haines Vicar
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda: Ashes only
Notes: 7/54 written in margin
Register_Reference: P85/1 IN 1/16
Page_No: 76
Parish_Chapel: Cinderford St John

Joyce EVANS Cinderford area (reply)

glasfryn — Tue, 10 Jul 2012 14:04:01 +0000

mum was born 30 nov 1921
and as I said my dads family although very complicated I have got back to beyond 1600 nearly all fron the forest area and it seems a good few must have emigrated to a fledgling USA as Ancestry has them dying there Maryland ect

this really is a very good and informative site

Joyce Evelyn EVANS 1921 - 1982 Cinderford / Ruspidge area (reply)

slowhands — Tue, 10 Jul 2012 13:45:41 +0000

So to be at school with "Jimmy" YOUNG of Ruspidge would mean a birth around 1922 +- a few years.

Name: Hubert Henry Davis
Birth Date: 29 Jun 1921
Date of Registration: Apr 2002
Age at Death: 80
Registration district: Cheltenham
Inferred County: Gloucestershire
Register Number: A62D
District and Subdistrict: 4791A
Entry number: 73

Name: Joyce Evelyn Davis
Birth Date: 30 Nov 1921
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1982
Age at Death: 60
Registration district: Gloucester
Inferred County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 22
Page: 1975

Name: Joyce E Evans
Spouse : Hubert H Davis
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1945
Registration district: Forest of Dean
Inferred County: Gloucestershire
Volume Number: 6a
Page Number: 600

DAVIS Hubert Henry
EVANS Joyce Evelyn
Forest of Dean Cinderford St John the Evangelist
1945 5 99

Trying to find siblings and a family unit in the mid 1920's :-

Evans/Baldwin

EVANS Albert Frank
BALDWIN Bertha
Forest of Dean
Cinderford Woodside St Stephen
1911 2 19

Name: Gladys E E Evans
Mother's Maiden Name: Baldwin
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1913
Registration district: Westbury on Severn
Inferred County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 491

Reginald F H Evans Jan-Feb-Mar 1914 Chepstow Gloucestershire,

Freda E R Evans Oct-Nov-Dec 1916 Chepstow Glamorganshire
Phyllis J D Evans Jul-Aug-Sep 1919 Chepstow Wales
Evelyn J Evans Jan-Feb-Mar 1922 Chepstow Monmouthshire

Albert T J Evans Oct-Nov-Dec 1924 Westbury S Shropshire
Ruby M Evans Jul-Aug-Sep 1926 Westbury S Shropshire
Kathleen N Evans Oct-Nov-Dec 1927 Westbiru S/ Gloucestershire
Florence B Evans Jul-Aug-Sep 1930 Westbury S Shropshire
Barbara R Evans Apr-May-Jun 1932 Westbury S. Shropshire

Baptisms on this site :-

1913 EVANS Gladys Elizabeth Emily Albert Frank Bertha White Hart Rd Cinderford Insurance Agent Cinderford St Stephen
1914 EVANS Reginald Francis Harry Albert Frank Bertha Primrose Hill Lydney Assistant Insurance
Superintendent Cinderford St Stephen
1919 EVANS Freda Eileen Ruth Arthur Frank Bertha 34 Bridge St Assurance District
Manager Chepstow
1919 EVANS Phyllis Joan Doreen Arthur Frank Bertha 34 Bridge St Assurance District
Manager Chepstow
1922 EVANS Evelyn Joyce Albert Frank Bertha 34 Bridge Street Insurance Collector Chepstow

the Evans family

glasfryn — Tue, 10 Jul 2012 12:58:14 +0000

hello I am very new on here and I am reseaching my family roots.
I know all of my mums recent family were from the forest and now after researching my dads family which has been very difficult I know he and his family going back to 1600 all came from that area.
my mum meantioned Rusbidge and I know my Grandad was a miner there in the forest unfortunately I never knew there first names(I am trying to find out from a cousin I have not seen for 40 years and waiting an answer) if this helps my mum also said she sat next to Jimmy Young when she was at school.
her name was joyce evelyn Evans
her sisters were
gladys Elizibeth
freda
elizibeth
ruby
joan
barbara
norah
my mum and dad were married in the forest in 1945 his name was hubert henry Davis

any information will be gladly recieved

roger Davis
aka glasfryn