I believe the two baptisms are for the same person. Elizabeth WATKINS who has the same parents as John was baptised on the same day as John in 1813 at Upton Bishop. Did the Vicar give John a second dose of the holly water to make sure!

Entry_Number:
Year: 1810
Month: Apr
Day: 20
Parents_Surname: WATKINS
Child_Forenames: John
Fathers_Forenames: James
Mothers_Forenames: Sarah
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: The Old Gore
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister:
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: Son of
Notes:
Register_Reference: A99/3
Page_Number: 12
Parish_Chapel: Upton Bishop

I would be interested in your opinion as If I am right David it makes you my 9th cousin !

Jim

I need to get all this latest Watkins stuff into my family tree program so I can see it all clearer. Yes, I agree it does all appear to gel together what you have mentioned.

I knew we would both discover a cousin connection between us somewhere, it was just a matter of what number it it was going to be.

Please send me the image of the BT you have.

Have a Good Day!
Dave

Following the recent posting Ann Pewtner b. 1801 has led me back to this thread, which I have followed as there were people mentioned who are in my Family Tree.

In particular I was interested in the Elizabeth Meek 1712 mentioned, with a possible baptism 25 Jan 1712 to Jeremiah Meek & Ann.

I have a Jeremiah (Jeremy) Meek baptised 17th August 1679 - note this is not on the F o D web site, but I can supply an image of the BT page if you wish. I believe Jeremiah Meek married Ann Rudge 30 Nov 1704 and I further believe this is the parents of Elizabeth Meek baptised 1712.

Jermiah was the son of John Meek & Elinor, who have featured on a number of threads in this forum.

I would be interested in your opinion as If I am right David it makes you my 9th cousin !!

Jim

PDF Version Watkins Ruardean Family Tree 2

PDF Version Watkins Ruardean Family Tree 1

I'll take credit for putting him forward as a Strawman, but without the transcribers efforts there is no-way the body of evidence would have come together.

at this rate you'll be tied into the Vaughan/Marfell/Thompson/Gagg thread too

I do believe because of your thorough investigation and compelling evidence which you have put forward that you have found the illusive John Watkins and that we are very close indeed of putting the "Closed Case" rubber stamp on the paper work.

Year: 1735
Month: Jun
Day: 1
Parents_Surname: WATKINS
Child_Forenames: George
Fathers_Forenames: George
Mothers_Forenames: Elizabeth
Mothers_Surname:
Residence:
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister:
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P275 IN 1/2
Page_Number: 9
Parish_Chapel: Ruardean

Year: 1734
Month: Aug
Day: 25
Grooms_Surname: WATKINS
Grooms_Forenames: George
Grooms_Age:
Groom_Condition:
Grooms_Occupation:
Grooms_Residence: Ruardean
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:
Brides_Surname: MEEK
Brides_Forenames: Elizabeth
Brides_Age:
Brides_Condition:
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Ruardean
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns:
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark:
Witness_1:
Witness_2:
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister:
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference:
Page_Number:
Parish_Chapel: Walford

could this be Elizabeth ?

Year: 1712/13
Month: Jan
Day: 25
Parents_Surname: MEEKE
Child_Forenames: Elizabeth
Fathers_Forenames: Jeremiah
Mothers_Forenames: Ann
Mothers_Surname:
Residence:
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister:
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P275 IN 1/1
Page_Number: 214
Parish_Chapel: Ruardean

Year: 1820
Month: Jun
Day: 23
Surname: WATKINS
Forenames: Alice
Residence: Ruardean
Age_at_death: 80 y[ea]rs
Officiating_Minister: G D Fosbroke Off[iciating] Min[iste]r
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes: widow
Register_Reference: P275 IN 1/12
Page_No: 30
Parish_Chapel: Ruardean

her parents....

Year: 1738
Month: Oct
Day: 29
Grooms_Surname: THOMSON
Grooms_Forenames: Ed[ward]
Grooms_Age:
Groom_Condition:
Grooms_Occupation:
Grooms_Residence:
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:
Brides_Surname: WEBB
Brides_Forenames: Ann
Brides_Age:
Brides_Condition:
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence:
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns:
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark:
Witness_1:
Witness_2:
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister:
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: AW19/2
Page_Number:
Parish_Chapel: Welsh Bicknor

candidate for father

Year: 1718
Month: Apr
Day: 20
Parents_Surname: TOMSON
Child_Forenames: Edward
Fathers_Forenames: John
Mothers_Forenames: Alice
Mothers_Surname:
Residence:
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister:
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P275 IN 1/1
Page_Number: 225
Parish_Chapel: Ruardean

Year: 1783
Month: Mar
Day: 30
Parents_Surname: EVANS
Child_Forenames: Sarah
Fathers_Forenames: John
Mothers_Forenames: Jane
Mothers_Surname:
Residence:
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister:
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: she was two? Years 10 months and 7 days old
Notes:
Register_Reference: P275 IN 1/5
Page_Number: 66
Parish_Chapel: Ruardean

posible parents :-

Year: 1780
Month: Feb
Day: 7
Grooms_Surname: EVANS
Grooms_Forenames: John
Grooms_Age:
Groom_Condition:
Grooms_Occupation:
Grooms_Residence: Newland
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:
Brides_Surname: JONES
Brides_Forenames: Jane
Brides_Age:
Brides_Condition:
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Newland
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: He signs she marks
Witness_1: Sam Simmons
Witness_2: R Williams
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: P Ball vicar
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P227 IN 1/8
Page_Number: 537
Parish_Chapel: Newland

Year: 1851
Month: Aug
Day: 3
Surname: WATKINS
Forenames: James
Residence: Ruardean
Age_at_death: y[ea]rs
Officiating_Minister: W[illia]m Penfold
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P275 IN 1/12
Page_No: 133
Parish_Chapel: Ruardean

1851 ( next door to Thomas COLE, from Welsh Bicknor)
James Watkins abt 1784 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Head Ruardean, Gloucestershire Cordwainer
Sarah Watkins abt 1781 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Wife Ruardean, Gloucestershire
Phillip Watkins abt 1822 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Son Ruardean, Gloucestershire

< too much of a coincidence to ignore :-) >
http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?mode=thread&id=1970

1841 Turners Tump ? < Petty Croft for later WATKINS!>
James Walkins abt 1786 Gloucestershire, England Ruardean, Gloucestershire Shoe M
Sarah Walkins abt 1781 Gloucestershire, England Ruardean, Gloucestershire
Edmun Walkins abt 1821 Gloucestershire, England Ruardean, Gloucestershire
Philip Walkins abt 1826 Gloucestershire, England Ruardean, Gloucestershire

possible

Year: 1783
Month: Apr
Day: 13
Parents_Surname: WATKINS
Child_Forenames: James
Fathers_Forenames: John
Mothers_Forenames: Alice
Mothers_Surname:
Residence:
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister:
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P275 IN 1/5
Page_Number: 58
Parish_Chapel: Ruardean

Year: 1765
Month: Mar
Day: 3
Grooms_Surname: WATKINS
Grooms_Forenames: John
Grooms_Age:
Groom_Condition:
Grooms_Occupation:
Grooms_Residence:
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:
Brides_Surname: THOMPSON
Brides_Forenames: Alice
Brides_Age:
Brides_Condition:
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Ruardean
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns: Banns called 310
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: he marked she signed (spelt THOMSON)
Witness_1: George WATKINS
Witness_2: Joseph HARPER
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: H JONES called banns married by Guy HILL - vicar
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P275 IN 1/3
Page_Number: 52
Parish_Chapel: Ruardean

< I wonder if this is John 1810 and siblings ?>

http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/HEF/UptonBishop/index.html

Year: 1813
Month: Apr
Day: 18
Parents_Surname: WATKINS
Child_Forenames: John
Fathers_Forenames: James
Mothers_Forenames: Sarah
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Upton B[isho]p.
Occupation: Shoe Maker
Officiating_Minister: G.H.L. Gretton Curate
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: Son of
Notes: (the above) preceded parents' names
Register_Reference: AD99/4
Page_Number: 2
Parish_Chapel: Upton Bishop

Year 1816
Month Jul
Day 28
Parents Surname WATKINS
Child Forenames Edward <EDMUND ?>
Fathers Forenames James
Mothers Forenames Sarah
Mothers Surname
Residence Ruerdean [Ruardean]
Occupation Shoemaker
Officiating Minister T. D. Fosbrooke Min[iste]r
Event Baptism
Memoranda son of
Notes
Register Reference P275 IN 1/7
Page Number 22
Parish Chapel Ruardean

Year 1813
Month Apr
Day 18
Parents Surname WATKINS
Child Forenames Elizabeth
Fathers Forenames James
Mothers Forenames Sarah
Mothers Surname
Residence Upton B[isho]p.
Occupation Shoe Maker
Officiating Minister G.H.L. Gretton
Event Baptism
Memoranda Daughter of
Notes
Register Reference AD99/4
Page Number 2
Parish Chapel Upton Bishop

Year 1807
Month Oct
Day 25
Parents Surname WATKINS
Child Forenames Alice
Fathers Forenames James
Mothers Forenames Sarah
Mothers Surname
Residence [not stated]
Occupation
Officiating Minister
Event Baptism
Memoranda
Notes
Register Reference AG68/2
Page Number
Parish Chapel Lea

Year 1805
Month Mar
Day 17
Parents Surname WATKINS
Child Forenames James
Fathers Forenames James
Mothers Forenames Sarah
Mothers Surname
Residence
Occupation
Officiating Minister
Event Baptism
Memoranda
Notes
Register Reference P275 IN 1/6
Page Number 51
Parish Chapel Ruardean

Year: 1804
Month: Jun
Day: 23
Grooms_Surname: WATKINS
Grooms_Forenames: James
Grooms_Age:
Groom_Condition:
Grooms_Occupation:
Grooms_Residence:
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:
Brides_Surname: EVANS
Brides_Forenames: Sarah
Brides_Age:
Brides_Condition:
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence:
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns:
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark:
Witness_1:
Witness_2:
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister:
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference:
Page_Number:
Parish_Chapel: Walford