Forest of Dean FHT Forum - Emily Ellen DANIEL1896

Emily Ellen DANIEL1896 (reply)

slowhands — Tue, 09 Jul 2024 09:31:50 +0000

1901 Kimberley Terrace, Northam, Bideford,

Martha Daniel Daughter Widow Female 34 1867 Laundress Northam, Devon, England
George Daniel Grand son Single Male 13 1888 - Northam, Devon, England
Eva E Daniel Grand daughter Single Female 11 1890 - Northam, Devon, England
Emily Daniel Grand daughter Single Female 7 1894 - Northam, Devon, England

Births Jun 1894 (>99%)
Daniel Emily Ellen Bideford 5b 462

1891 Kiddles Cottages, 5, Chapel Row, Northam, Bideford,
Martha Dannell Wife Married Female 26 1865 - Northam, Devon, England
Ethel Mary Dannell Daughter - Female 4 1887 Scholar Northam, Devon, England
George Henry Dannell Son - Male 3 1888 Scholar Northam, Devon, England
Eva Ellen Dannell Daughter - Female 0 1891 - Appledore, Devon, England

Marriages Sep 1886 (>99%)
Daniel Charles Bideford 5b 843
Rendel Martha Bideford 5b 843

Lilian DANIEL 1915 (reply)

Katep — Mon, 08 Jul 2024 22:57:42 +0000

Hi
Thats the year he married Emily....yes agree re the name female or male
I thought we had found Him, bought up by his grandmother.
I had Samuel .His grandmother remarried a Reynolds, but he is still a Daniel 'Born 1913 prior to
Emilys marriage but this is guessing

Lilian DANIEL 1915 (reply)

slowhands — Mon, 08 Jul 2024 11:26:36 +0000

long shot at the moment

Births Dec 1915 (>99%)
Daniel Lilian Daniel Plymouth 5b 311

Lilian is occasionally a boys name - given teh Daniel surname I wonder if this is Emily's "son"

Robert Charles VICKERS 1901 (reply)

Katep — Fri, 05 Jul 2024 03:38:41 +0000

Hi yes that seems to be my best bet .Once again thank you

Robert Charles VICKERS 1901 (reply)

slowhands — Thu, 04 Jul 2024 11:53:10 +0000

It would be worth ordering the death cert for Emily in 1930, that may give additional clues. Looking at a ( not too clear) scan of his naval service, from 1924 thru 1928 he is assigned to various ships and land bases ( VIVID II) – appears that he is based in Devonport.

Robert Charles VICKERS 1901 (reply)

Katep — Thu, 04 Jul 2024 03:09:11 +0000

So he must have split from Emily gosh this is complicated

Robert Charles VICKERS 1901 (reply)

Katep — Thu, 04 Jul 2024 03:07:50 +0000

Wow thank you

Robert Charles VICKERS 1901 (reply)

slowhands — Wed, 03 Jul 2024 09:56:07 +0000

Vickers Robert C born 1901
1921 Census Of England & Wales
Devonport, Devon, England

First name(s) Robert Charles
Department ADM
Last name Vickers
Archive The National Archives, Kew
Birth year 1901
Reference ADM 363/138/69
Birth date 28 January 1901
Source website View source website
Birth place Downpatrick, Down
Record set British Royal Navy & Royal Marines Service And Pension Records, 1704-1939
Birth county Down
Series ADM 363
Birth country Ireland
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Service number K. 63428
Subcategory Regimental & Service Records
Year 1925-39
Collections from Great Britain, England
Description Name: Robert Charles Vickers. Official Number: K. 63428. Date of Birth: 28 January 1901. Place of Birth: Downpatrick, Down.

Robert Charles Vickers is the son of Walter William Vickers and Alice Ann ( nee McMahon) father a coastguard living in Portaferry.

First name(s) Walter W
City Hastings
Last name Vickers
County Sussex
Relationship -
Country England
Marital status Single
Registration district Hastings
Sex Male
Sub district St Mary in the Castle
Age 30
Enumeration district 16
Birth year 1861
Parliamentary borough or division Hastings
Birth town -
Municipal borough or ward Holy Trinity
Birth county -
Ecclesiastical parish or district Holy Trinity
Birth place Ireland
Archive reference RG12
Birth place other as transcribed IRELAND
Piece number 764
Occupation Coast guard
Folio 22
Full address Coast Guard Station, 9, Dorset Place, Hastings, Sussex, England
Page 37
House name Coast Guard Station
Schedule 47
House number 9
Record set 1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Marriages Sep 1892 (>99%)
McMAHON Alice Ann J Hastings 2b 47
Vickers Walter William Hastings 2b 47

Births Dec 1892 (>99%)
Vickers Alice Emily Hastings 2b 36
Births Jun 1896 (>99%)
Vickers James William H Hastings 2b 39
Births Jun 1898 (>99%)
Vickers Walter Thomas Hastings 2b 26a

1901 house 99 in New Row (Ards Upper, Down)
Vickers Alice 8 Female Daughter Church of Ireland Sussex
Vickers Walter 38 Male Head of Family Church of Ireland Galway
Vickers Mary 67 Female Mother Church of Ireland Antrim
Vickers Thomas 3 Male Son Church of Ireland Sussex
Vickers James 5 Male Son Church of Ireland Sussex
Vickers Robert Male Son Church of Ireland Down
Vickers Alice 31 Female Wife Church of Ireland Sussex

1911 house 7 in Rathmullan Town (Rathmullan, Donegal)

Vickers Walter 47 Male Head of Family Church of Ireland from Galway Coastguard
Vickers Alice 41 Female Wife Church of Ireland England
Vickers James 15 Male Son Church of Ireland England
Vickers Thomas 13 Male Son Church of Ireland England
Vickers Robert 11 Male Son Church of Ireland Down
Vickers Mary 7 Female Daughter Church of Ireland Down
Vickers Rachel 3 Female Daughter Church of Ireland Donegal
Vickers Rachel 38 Female Sister Church of Ireland Sligo

I believe that he was Invalided out in December 1939

Adoption/Fostering in the 1910-1920 period -&Emily post 1923 (reply)

Katep — Wed, 03 Jul 2024 01:04:47 +0000

Thank you as always
We think we have perhaps found him, but nothing is certain'
What do you think became of Vickers to let poor Emily die so young in a poor house.
I can find no trace of him

Adoption/Fostering in the 1910-1920 period -&Emily post 1923 (reply)

slowhands — Mon, 01 Jul 2024 13:06:24 +0000

In England and Wales the Adoption of children legislation came in 1926

Prior to this "adoption" was under the Poor Law , the World War saw an increase in demand and the various societies involved in helping/rescuing orphaned children.

Im sure that in my research here for others in these circumstances where a mother and child(ren) has remarried "we see" in census data sometimes the children with their original surnames and most often ( I feel) with the sew family surname.

So location them in 1921 would be a first step. Unless the child went to love with an Aunt or stranger.....

from Joseph and Emily's marriage cert are her parents recorded - so that her line can be explored for the missing child ?

1901 High Street Millend, Awre,
George Goulding Head Married Male 45 1856 Salmon fisherman Arlingham, Bedfordshire, England
Emily Goulding Wife Married Female 41 1860 - Berrow
Henry Goulding Son Single Male 14 1887 - Blakeney, Gloucestershire, England
Oliver Goulding Son - Male 13 1888 - Blakeney, Gloucestershire, England
Florence Goulding Daughter - Female 11 1890 - Blakeney, Gloucestershire, England
Giles Goulding Son - Male 8 1893 - Gloucestershire, England
Ethel Goulding Daughter - Female 6 1895 - Gloucestershire, England
Agnes Goulding Daughter - Female 4 1897 - Gloucestershire, England

1911
63 Dunmere Road, Tormoham, Devon, England
Joseph George Goulding Visitor Single Male 20 1891 H m navy Blakney Glos

post Giles death in 1923 - looks like Emily remarries in Devon

First name(s) Emily E
County Devon
Last name Goulding
Country England
Marriage quarter 1
Volume 5B
Marriage year 1924
Volume as transcribed 5B
Registration month -
Page number 549
Emily E Goulding married Robert C Vickers
Record set England & Wales Marriages 1837-2005
Spouse's last name Vickers
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
District Devonport
Subcategory Civil Marriage & Divorce
District number -
Collections from Great Britain, England

1921
Vickers Robert C 1901
1921 Census Of England & Wales
Devonport, Devon, England

Emily's death sadly...

Deaths Sep 1930 (>99%)
Vickers Emily E 36 E.Stonehouse 5b 335

Births Jun 1894 (>99%)
Daniel Emily Ellen Bideford 5b 462

which probably helps pinpoint Emily in 1901 Kimberley Terrace, Northam, Bideford,

Richard Rendle Head Married Male 65 1836 General labourer Iddesleigh, Devon, England
Fanny Rendle Wife Married Female 66 1835 - Northam, Devon, England
Lucy Rendle Daughter Single Female 20 1881 House maid (domestic) Northam, Devon, England
Martha Daniel Daughter Widow Female 34 1867 Laundress Northam, Devon, England
George Daniel Grand son Single Male 13 1888 - Northam, Devon, England
Eva E Daniel Grand daughter Single Female 11 1890 - Northam, Devon, England
Emily Daniel Grand daughter Single Female 7 1894 - Northam, Devon, England

Adoption

Katep — Sat, 29 Jun 2024 02:54:00 +0000

If Joseph Giles Goulding adopted his wife's illegitimate child, her name was Emily Ellen Daniel
between 1915, their marriage and 1920, where would you start looking
Of course, the war had just started so I don't know if adoptions even happened during the war.
There was a child, a boy but i can find no trace