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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You might be interested in this TOVEY/PARSLOE marriage:</p>
<p>William Barratt Tovey married Elizabeth Parsloe on 21 February 1871 at Hasleton, Glos<br />
both of Full Age, he is the son of George an Inn Keeper and she is the daughter of William.<br />
Might be a total &quot;red herring&quot;, but interesting.</p>
<p>The only possible William E Tovey who fits is the son of William &amp; Sarah Ann born Q1 1873 at Winterbourne.</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>PS Have you ever thought of providing your email address on this Forum site. Not as public but using the provision where a blue envelope would appear next to your user name (Like appears next to mine). This would allow other Forum members to email you through a private secure system that is part of the FOD site.  Then questions and answers which are not of direct interest to the Forum, could be exchanged.<br />
Images and/or documents could also be passed on by email (would have to talk more about this if you did decide to do it)</p>
</blockquote><p>Done.</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GlosBDM</p>
<p>William PARSLO - married Elleanor HILL - Painswick St Mary - 1859</p>
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<p>PARSLOE, Ernest - mother's maiden HILL - 1873, Gloucester South Hamlet</p>
<p>PARSLOE, Edward - mother's maiden name HILL, 1871 Gloucester South Hamlet</p>
<p>On the 1881 Census, Gloucester St Barton Mary is the family of PARSLOE</p>
<p>William PARSLOE is aged 41 and born Cowley, Gloucestershire and  Corn Packer<br />
Eleanor is wife born Painswick</p>
<p>and George 19, Sydney 17, Charles 15, James 13, Edward 11, Ernest 12, and Eleanor 8</p>
<p>Charles on GlosBDM - born 1866 - Gloucester South Hamlet, transcribed as PARSLO - mother's maiden name: HILL, as is George (1862 Painswick) and Sydney 1864 (Painswick)</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marriage at<strong> Blakeney</strong> - 8 December 1894</p>
<p>Oliver KNIGHT, aged 43, Widower, occupation labourer<br />
father: Thomas KNIGHT, Labourer</p>
<p>Amelia BEARD, aged 39, Spinster<br />
residence: Blakeney<br />
father: Richard BEARD, occupation : Sailor</p>
<p>Witness 1: Edith Annie SPARKES and John SPARKES</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forest of Dean records</p>
<p>Marriage at Flaxley 28 December 1870</p>
<p>Oliver KNIGHT, full age, Bachelor, Collier residence: Flaxley<br />
Father: Thomas KNIGHT, Carpenter</p>
<p>Matilda KENDALL, full age, Spinster<br />
father: Elias KENDAL, Bailiff</p>
<p>by banns</p>
<p>He marks she signs</p>
<p>witnesses; Mark of Jeremiah MANNS <br />
and Mary Ann KENDALL</p>
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and Martyn said, the 1911 census was mistranscribed and the Grandmother's name was <strong>Ann KENDALL</strong></p>
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<p>KNIGHT Annie Matilda - mother's maiden name: KENDALL</p>
<p>1877 Forest of Dean, Office:  Westbury on Severn, Newnham</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don't know whether you subscribe to &quot;Find My Past&quot; but if you do, i believe there is a military record for Earnest Parsloe in Gloucester dated 1890.<br />
It might be his service record in the Militia and could provide answers for when he was discharged after the charge of desertion in 1894.</p>
<p>Also there are Tovey School Admission Register records for the first decade of the 20th Century in Wales which might be for William E. &amp; Annie M.'s children in Wales.</p>
<p>Sid Toomey</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Martyn</p>
<p>I believe there are two more pieces of evidence to support the theory that the Parsloe's changed their family name to Tovey in Wales.</p>
<p>(a)  On your other Tovey post you mentioned that in Census forms Annie M. Tovey always gave her place of birth as Blakeney, Gloucestershire except for 1921 where she listed &quot;Hagloe, Gloucestershire.<br />
Hagloe is less than half a mile South of Blakeney.</p>
<p>In the 1881 England Census for the Parish of Awre, between Poulton Inn and Hagloe House, Oliver Knight, his wife Ann and daughter <strong><em>Annie aged 4 </em></strong>were living.</p>
<p>Ernest Parsloe married Annie Matilda Knight in St Lukes Gloucester on 18th Feb 1895.<br />
The Brides parents were Oliver Knight and Matilda Kendall<br />
Witness was A Parsloe.</p>
<p>Matilda Kendall was baptised 28th December 1852 in the Cam Parish.<br />
Matilda's father was Elias Kendall. This would make Elias Kendall the Grandfather of Annie M. Tovey.<br />
Elias Kendall married Widow Ann Wall on 23rd April 1864 in Eastington so<strong><em> this would make Ann Kendall Annie M. Tovey's Grandmother.</em></strong><br />
The widow Ann Wall was baptised Ann Moreland 27th January 1831 in Eastington.</p>
<p>(b) In the 1911 Census for Wales, the Tovey family were living in Abertillery. Listed as part of the Tovey household was a <em><strong>Grandmother,</strong></em><br />
Ann Thendale, aged 82 and born in<em><strong> Eastington.</strong></em> <br />
<em><strong>I believe she was Annie M. Tovey's Grandmother. </strong></em><br />
In the 1901 England Census Ann Kendall is shown as a Widow and living with her sister in Eastington.</p>
<p>I must admit i haven't found any records for between 1901 and 1911 showing that the widow Ann Kendall married someone named &quot;Thendale&quot; who would have then passed away before the 1911 Census. However everything else fits to support the view that she was Annie M. Tovey's Grandmother.</p>
<p>I have sourced all of the above from Parish Registers and can provide details if you cant find the individual record links.</p>
<p>Any queries let me know.</p>
<p>Sid Toomey</p>
<p>PS Have you ever thought of providing your email address on this Forum site. Not as public but using the provision where a blue envelope would appear next to your user name (Like appears next to mine). This would allow other Forum members to email you through a private secure system that is part of the FOD site.  Then questions and answers which are not of direct interest to the Forum, could be exchanged.<br />
Images and/or documents could also be passed on by email (would have to talk more about this if you did decide to do it)<br />
Hope i haven't confused you.</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Could Earnest and William E. be the same person ??</p>
</blockquote><p>Good question! I haven't found a credible birth record for William E so far. Hmm.</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>GRO INDEX</p>
<p>PARSLOE, Ernest - mother's maiden name: HILL<br />
GRO Reference: 1873 M Quarter in GLOUCESTER Volume 06A Page 305</p>
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<p>PARSLOE, Edward - mother's maiden name : HILL<br />
GRO Reference:  1871 J Quarter, GLOUCESTER Volume 06A Page 285</p>
<p>PARSLOE, Eleanor - mother's maiden name: HILL<br />
GRO Reference: 1880 J Quarter, GLOUCESTER Volume 06A Page 323</p>
</blockquote><p>All good information, thanks. I've added the Parsloe connection to my family trees on various sites in the hope that some new hints will turn up.</p>
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<p>PARSLOE, Ernest - mother's maiden name: HILL<br />
GRO Reference: 1873 M Quarter in GLOUCESTER Volume 06A Page 305</p>
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<p>PARSLOE, Edward - mother's maiden name : HILL<br />
GRO Reference:  1871 J Quarter, GLOUCESTER Volume 06A Page 285</p>
<p>PARSLOE, Eleanor - mother's maiden name: HILL<br />
GRO Reference: 1880 J Quarter, GLOUCESTER Volume 06A Page 323</p>
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<p>PARSLOE, Violet Magdalene Eleanor - mother's maiden name KNIGHT<br />
GRO Reference: 1905 D Quarter in GLOUCESTER Volume 06A Page 285</p>
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PARSLOE, Eric Frank - mother's maiden name KNIGHT<br />
GRO Reference: 1897 D Quarter in NEWPORT MON - Volume 11A Page 177</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, as my x Grandad called himself GREEN - on two census returns and not WICKENDEN as he should, anything is possible.</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi</p>
<p>I have started this new post so that Martyn's original post would not become more complicated. Also it would be easier to separate this &quot;hypothesis&quot; (1) of mine should it be proved incorrect.<br />
First thanks to Graham Davison for thinking &quot;outside the box&quot; and suggesting Earnest Parsloe. I wouldn't have thought of it.<br />
In the following, in order to not get too bogged down, i have not shown my sources. These are available if anyone wants confirmation etc.<br />
<strong><em>To summarise what we know</em></strong><br />
The 1901,1911 and 1921 Wales Census show a family group for William E. Tovey which is more or less constant.<br />
Eric Frank Tovey,(Martyn's Grandfather) is part of this family) Eric's date and place of birth seem to support this view.</p>
<p>Now to Graham Davisons information.<br />
Earnest Parsloe (born Gloucester in 1873, same as William E. Tovey) married Anne Matilda Knight in St Lukes, Gloucester. she was younger , as was Annie M Tovey. (Note given names and initials are the same). Date of Marriage 18th February 1895.</p>
<p>Next we have the birth/baptism of their daughter Violet Eleanor Parsloe on 26th December 1895 in St Lukes , Gloucester. ( These details also work with Violet Tovey from the Census Forms except that the initial &quot;M&quot; is introduced but can be explained in later records).)</p>
<p>After this we have the birth of Eric Frank Parsloe in Newport Wales in the last quarter of 1897.(This date matches Eric Frank Tovey in the Census)</p>
<p>Records for Violet Parsloe/Tovey can also be reconciled so close its spooky.</p>
<p>This means that the Parsloe family moved from Gloucester some time after 1895 but before the third quarter of 1897.</p>
<p>Their name changed from Parsloe to Tovey sometime after 1897 but before Census day in 1901.</p>
<p>Why ???</p>
<p>Back to Gloucester. There are BNA articles about a young Earnest Parsloe getting in to strife.<br />
On the 12th June 1894 there is a criminal record for an Earnest Parsloe being charged with being a Militia deserter and being&quot; handed over to escort&quot;.<br />
It would be interesting to know what happened to him after that and how long he was incarcerated.<br />
( There are also other Criminal records in Gloucester for a Earnest Parsloe who didn't provide for his children and didn't send them to school. I have discounted these since this Earnest was two inches shorter and the crimes were committed in the first decade of the 20th Century when the other Earnest was in Wales).<br />
Bearing in mind the date of the marriage and the date of Violet's birth little time was wasted.<br />
Any one of these events would have been enough for a young man to &quot;leave town&quot;. It is to his credit that he took his new wife and daughter with him!</p>
<p>Regarding his &quot;desertion&quot;, we will never know but he was young, with  a new girlfriend and (I haven't checked this) maybe the 3rd &amp; 4th Battalions of the Gloucester Regiment ( These were Militia Battalions) had been called up to participate in the upcoming Boer Wars. ( I cant criticise, my own Toomey Grandfather joined the Royal Navy in the 1890's in Wales as a boy sailor for a 12 year term but after a few years, the last entry on his service record states &quot;run&quot;. Same result as Earnest's. On a side note, in Australia &quot;doing a runner&quot; is usually associated with ordering and eating a meal, often Chinese, in a restaurant then leaving in a hurry without paying).</p>
<p>After Earnests name change, records seem to indicate that he lived a long life, staying married until Annie passed away and his children appear to have been gainfully employed. I also haven't seen any newspaper reports of any criminal behaviour.</p>
<p>Could Earnest and William E. be the same person ??</p>
<p>(1) Please excuse the use of the word &quot;Hypothesis&quot;. It is the only fancy word i know. I first heard it in a Chemistry class in year nine at school in 1959 and have remembered it and wanted to use it ever since. It is also sad that it is the only thing i have remembered from that subject at school.</p>
<p>Hope i haven't bored you.</p>
<p>Sid Toomey</p>
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