Thanks for replying! I was actually contacted by a very distant Gammage relation from 23andMe and it got me chasing rabbits, so to speak. My name is Mary Ellen. I live in Michigan, though grew up in Georgia. My Great Grandfather, Deodatus, moved to Georgia when I was still pretty little but he passed when I was 13. My grandmother, his daughter, Joyce, still lives in the house he bought! I'd love to know more about my family as my grandmother is the last living of the Gammages that I know and she is well in to her 80s. Please email me smithersme@yahoo.com.

Thanks!

Don

The kids name are there - the approximate birth dates are right - and Yes Tryphena was a Carr. "Carr" shows up a lot in hre childrens and grandchildrens middle names.

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TRYPHENA CARR
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Marriages:
Spouse: HENRY GAMMAGE
Marriage: 08 AUG 1831 Leamington Priors, Warwick, England
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40 Briant St, Deptford St Paul, London, England
Richard Can abt 1850 Hereford, England Head Inspector of Tramway
Eliza Can abt 1848 Hereford, England Wife
Albert Can abt 1873 Gloucestershire, England Son
Bessie Can abt 1877 Northamptonshire, England Daughter
Jane Can abt 1868 Kenton, Kent, England Daughter
John Can abt 1869 Hereford, England Son
Richard Can abt 1879 Wandsworth, Surrey, England Son
Thomas Can abt 1875 Hereford, England Son

Name: Gamage, Richard Carr
Record Type: Births
Quarter: March
Year: 1879
District: Wandsworth
County: London Surrey
Volume: 1d
Page: 651

The handwriting appears as Can, but in context Carr is the most likely

Leads me to ask were they recorded as CARR rather than GAMAGE ?
< so was Tryphena a CARR before marriage ? >

living nearby at 9 Gellatly Rd, Deptford St Paul, London, England

George Gamage abt 1836 Upton, Buckinghamshire, England Head
Eliza Gamage abt 1821 Hammersmith, Middlesex, England Wife
Alfred Gamage abt 1858 Mannden, Essex, England Son

< 90% sure this would sound like "Henry Gamag, Hanslop, Bucks" >

Henry Gamogh abt 1812 Henstap, Buckinghamshire, England Lodger
The Chimes Coffee Palace, 26 Gt Smith St , London, England Retired Builder

Later, after the birth of sister Bessie and brother Dick, they moved to a "more fashionable neighborhood" and a larger home at 35 Old Kent Road and he includes a picture.

At the point where they were making plans to cross the Atlantic, he mentions his father's sister "Aunt Payne." It is the only time he speaks of her and I have no idea who she is. Is it possible that Payne is her married name?

The time lines that Uncle Tom uses in his memoirs (he says they came in the summer of 1880) don't always match the facts that we have been finding in census records and the Persian Monarch records. But I keep telling myself that he was 80 years old when he wrote this book.

Add the fact that after they arrived in the states they became virtual vagabonds. After the death of their father in Judsonia, Arkansa, USA about a year or so after they arrived, their mother fostered most of her children out to neighbors, friends and "family."

In his teen age years he worked odd jobs, here and there. He speaks of working as a cook in Chicago, Illinois at the time of the Exposition.

Uncle Tom tells that after attending one year of school in London, he was not able to get back to his education until he was in his twenties. Eventually he became a doctor.

The "Gamage" party arrives in the States in mid October, however I cannot find then in the UK census, so where were they in April 1881 ???

Arriving on Persian Monarch from London on 17 Oct 1881

Henry Gamage 1821 Male
Elizth Gamage 1878 Female
Rosalie Gamage 1879 Female
D C R Gammage 1852 Male
Mrs. D C R Gammage 1853 Female
Albert Gammage 1873 Male
Edwin Gammage 1875 Male
Jane Gammage 1870 Female
John Gammage 1871 Male

Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
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Births Jun 1870
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Gamage Henry Thomas R King's N. 6c 456

I can only speculate without a full search of the BMD records that Henry Thomas may have died.

JOHN GILBERT ROGERS
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Christening: 07 JAN 1829 Clodock, Hereford, England

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Parents:
Father: JOHN ROGERS
Mother: JANE
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1851
John Rogers abt 1829 Longton, Herefordshire, England Servant Streatham Surrey

1861 18 Blewett St Newport
John Rogers abt 1797 Llomerlloo, Herefordshire, England Head Newport St Woollos Monmouthshire Rail worker
Jane Rogers abt 1806 Langton, Herefordshire, England Wife Newport St Woollos Monmouthshire
Cathrine Rogers abt 1843 Langton, Herefordshire, England Daughter Newport St Woollos Monmouthshire
John G Rogers abt 1830 Langton, Herefordshire, England Son Newport St Woollos Monmouthshire Railway Guard
Lewisa Rogers abt 1841 Langton, Herefordshire, England Daughter Newport St Woollos Monmouthshire
Thomas Haims abt 1859 Hereford Grandson Newport St Woollos Monmouthshire

1871 Didley Court next to Didley School ( north east of Wormbridge)
John Rogers abt 1799 Lancillo Head St Devereux Herefordshire Retired Farmer
Jane Rogers abt 1806 Clodock Wife St Devereux Herefordshire

Didley Court Farm
http://www.old-maps.co.uk/
Co ords: 345070,231990

just down the road from "Roger's Hill" and Rogers Hill Farm - I wonder if this is the start of the "Rogers Grange"

23 Bailey st Newport
John G Rogers abt 1831 Longton, Herefordshire, England Head Newport Monmouthshire railway Guard
Maria Rogers abt 1839 Herefordshire, England Wife Newport Monmouthshire

1881 No 20 Prince Leopold St, Roath, Glamorgan, Wales
John G. Rogers abt 1829 Clodock, Hereford, England Head Railway Guard
Mary Rogers abt 1832 Backstone, Hereford, England Wife

1891 1 Janet St Roath
Rogers, Mary abt 1832 Bacon, Herefordshire, England Widow Roath Glamorgan

"CLODOCK, a parish in the hundred of Ewyas-Lacy, in the county of Hereford, 4 miles W. of the Pontrilas station of the Newport and Hereford line, and the same distance S.W. of Abbey Dore. It is situated on the river Munnow, under the Black mountains, and contains the chapelries of Crasswall, Llanvoynoo, Longtown, and Newton. The living is a vicarage* in the diocese of Hereford, value £222, in the patronage of W. Wilkins, Esq. There are four distinct churches, all perpetual curacies in the patronage of the vicar. The parish church, dedicated to St. Cleodocus, is a stone edifice in the early English style, with square tower. The charities produce £20 per annum. On Watling Street is a Roman camp and an old castle. Fairs are held on the 29th April, 22nd June, and the 21st September."

LLANCILLO, a parish in the hundred of Ewyas-Lacy, county Hereford, 4 miles S. of Abbey Dore, 8 from Abergavenny, and 13 S.W. of Hereford, its post town. The Pontrilas station on the West Midland railway is 2 miles N.E. of the village. It is situated on the river Monnow. There is no village, only a few farmhouses. The living is a perpetual curacy in the diocese of Hereford, value £105. The church is an ancient stone edifice, dedicated to St. Peter. There are small charities of about £1 per annum. Colonel Scudamore is lord of the manor."

I always have to keep in mind the fact that Uncle Tom is eighty yearrs old when he writes these memories. Later, he tells that after being widowed, his mother received a $300 legacy, in 1884, which came to her from the death of her brother John in England. The 1851 UK census that you posted only shows one brother, Thomas.

Thomas should not be in this census -- he was not born until 1874, by his own accounts. Jane was the eldest, then my great-grandfather Deodatus John, born 1868 in Hereford. Next came Albert and then Tom.

In the passenger list from the Persian Monarch (1881, when they emigrated) it shows the family listed as follows;
Henry - 60 (?), D.C.R. - 29, Mrs. D.C.R. - 28, Jane - 11, John - 10, Albert - 8, Edwin - 6, Elizabeth - 3 and Rosalie - 2.

From Uncle Tom's memoirs I have it that Tom was 6 years old when they came to America. I believe that Edwin is actually Albert's middle name and I have no idea who Rosalie is. There should have been another brother, Richard or Dick, listed and a sister Agnes.

You posted the 1900 US census, Manhattan New York. John H. Gamage, head of household is my great-grandfather (Deodatus John or John Deodatus). Agnes, daughter , born 1899 is my grandmother. And you see another Agnes (sister) listed. Strange how these things are listed.

1881 Living in his store
Albert W. Gamage abt 1856 Hereford, England Head 128 Holborn, St Andrews, London, England

1901
Albert W Gamage abt 1856 Herefordshire, England Head Hornsey Middlesex
Jeannie M Gamage abt 1868 Lanarkshire (Glasgow), Scotland Wife Hornsey Middlesex
Cecil M Gamage abt 1896 Hornsey, Middlesex, England Son Hornsey Middlesex
Daphne C Gamage abt 1893 Hornsey, Middlesex, England Daughter Hornsey Middlesex
Leslie C Gamage abt 1888 Hornsey, Middlesex, England Son Hornsey Middlesex

Gamage's department store first opened in Holborn, London, in 1878. It sold affordable, high quality domestic goods,
and produced cram-packed catalogues with which shoppers could order items for home delivery. The store also offered
an international shipping service that allowed goods to be sent 'throughout the empire'. Many of these catalogues
focused on particular types of products such as picnic baskets, bee keeping appliances, magic tricks, or motoring
accessories. By the early 20th century, Gamage's was one of London's best known stores.

http://storyoflondon.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=443

Arthur Walter Gamage was the son of a Herefordshire farmer who was apprenticed to a London draper in St.Paul's churchyard. In 1878 at the age of 21 and having saved £40 equivalent to at least £2,500 today he decided to set up his own shop in partnership with Frank Spain.

Between them they raised the £88 necessary to lease and fit a small watch repair shop in Holborn.The owner assured them that a hosiery shop would do well in the area. The frontage was no more than five feet and above it Gamage hung his motto "Tall Oaks from Little Acorns Grow".The partners lived in the back room of the shop and allowed themselves no more than fourteen shillings a week for their living expenses,

Gamage insisted on selling everything cheaper than anywhere else and gradually crowds began to visit the shop even though the area was unfashionable. By the end of the first year trading had grown to £1,632.In 1881 Gamage bought Spain out and began to expand the premises by buying the small properties that surrounded his original shop. By the end of the decade most of the block between Leather Lane and Hatton Gardens was in his hands. Because of the piecemeal expansion his Department Store ended up as a maze of rooms steps passages and ramps which Gamage now called the People's Popular Emporium.

And it was popular with children and adults alike who experienced something of an adventure as they wandered through the warren in search of bargains. It offered a very wide selection of goods including haberdashery furniture sporting goods gardening supplies and utensils camping equipment and clothing. Gamage went on to become the official supplier of uniforms to the Boy Scout movement and continued to expand.

A large zoological department and a toy department were joined by a motor department where one could even purchase a motor car and all the equipment required for running it. One of the largest departments was that devoted to pedal-bicycles and motorcycles. In 1911 49 pages of his 900 page catalogue were devoted to bicycles.

Gamage died in 1930 and tradition has it that he lay in state in the cycle department with a guard of honour made up of members of his staff.
The premises closed in March 1972 and disappeared in the massive redevelopment scheme which now occupies the site.