Forest of Dean FHT Forum - James MATTHEWS 1811 - 1858

James MATTHEWS 1811 - 1858 (reply)

jimashton — Fri, 13 Aug 2010 15:06:28 +0000

Nice thought Slowhands

But he was of course a Dubberley not a Matthews. James Dubberley baptised 31 Mar 1811 illegitimate son of Esther Dubberley, married Diana Buffin baptised 6 Sep 1812.

1851 Census East Dean
DUBBERLEY James 42 Coal Miner Landed Proprietor Ruardean
Diannah 39 Dean Forest
Hester 13 Scholar Dean Forest
Jane 11 Dean Forest
Elizabeth 9 East Dean
William 7 East Dean
James 5 East Dean
Ann 1 East Dean

Monument Inscription Number 798 Drybrook
JAMES DUBBERLEY age 61 1872 = born 1811
DINAH DUBBERLEY age 58 1869 = born 1811
SARAH ANN DUBBERLEY age 94 1945 = born 1851
THOMAS JAMES DUBBERLEY age 72 1920 = born 1848

Jim Ashton

James MATTHEWS 1811 - 1858 (reply)

slowhands — Fri, 13 Aug 2010 14:35:07 +0000

I was hoping ( not a sound strategy !) that he turns out to be :-

Esther Dubberley baptised 25th January 1789 had an illegitimate son James in 1811,

Year: 1811
Month: Mar
Day: 31
Parents_Surname: DUBERLY
Child_Forenames: James
Fathers_Forenames: not stated
Mothers_Forenames: Esther
Mothers_Surname:
Residence:
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister: Richard Wood
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: base son
Notes: BTs have DUBERLEY
Register_Reference: P275 IN 1/6
Page_Number: 72
Parish_Chapel: Ruardean

James MATTHEWS 1811 - 1858 (reply)

jimashton — Fri, 13 Aug 2010 13:55:40 +0000

Thanks Slowhands

I didn't have the baptism for Sarah Matthews, or the 1841 Census. The latter brings forth a question regarding the Elizh abt 1826 as this is 3 years before their marriage, and would have died before the next Elizabeth was born in 1847 as per 1851 Census.

1841
James Mathews abt 1811 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Mathews abt 1801 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Elizh Mathews abt 1826 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Sarah Mathews abt 1830 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Elizh Mathews abt 1833 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire

1851 Census East Dean
MATTHEWS James 41 Coal Miner Dean Forest
Elizabeth 49 Dean Forest
Eliza 18 Newland
Benjamin 8 East Dean
Elizabeth 4 East Dean

There is an Elizabeth Matthews buried Westbury on Severn 21 May 1847 age 10,so I reckon the Elizh Matthews 1826 was actually Elizh 1837 who died 1847, just before the next Elizabeth comes along in 1847.

It would be good to establish who were the parents of James Matthews 1810 as his marriage to Elizabeth Marfell makes him one of my GGG Grandfathers.

To add to the thread; Sarah Jane Matthews 1830 married George Barnard 1825, a prominent member of the Liberal Party.
Benjamin Matthews 1843 married Tryphena Wilce 1840.

Jim Ashton

MATTHEWS/WILCE (reply)

jimashton — Fri, 13 Aug 2010 13:07:30 +0000

Thanks M P Griffiths

I didn't have the 1839 baptism for Thomas Matthews, I do have his marriage certificate as he married a Marfell - my GGG Aunt Ellen Marfell on 30 August 1856, Westbury on Severn Register Office :

1861 Census East Dean (next door Ellen's father Cornelius Marfell my GGG Grandfather)
Thomas Matthews 25 Coal Miner East Dean
Helen 35 East Dean
Esther Jane 2 East Dean

1871 Census East Dean
RG10/2597/8/7
Thomas Matthews 35 Iron Miner East Dean
Ellen 45 East Dean
Hester 11 East Dean
Ellen 8 East Dean

1881 Census
Dwelling: Hawthorns
Census Place: (Westbury On Severn) East Dean, Gloucester, England
Source: FHL Film 1341608 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 2521 Folio 83 Page 12
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Thomas MATTHEWS M 47 M East Dean
Rel: Head
Occ: Coal Miner
Ellen MATTHEWS M 54 F East Dean
Rel: Wife
Esther Jane MATTHEWS U 22 F East Dean
Rel: Daughter
Henry MARFELL U 15 M East Dean
Rel: Nephew
Occ: Iron Miner

Jim Ashton

Blackwell Meadows (reply)

slowhands — Fri, 13 Aug 2010 12:34:39 +0000

Blackwell Meadows is near Puddlebrook, just north of Hazel hill

http://getamap.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/getamap/frames.htm?mapAction=gaz&gazName=g&...

James MATTHEWS 1811 - 1858 (reply)

slowhands — Fri, 13 Aug 2010 12:33:05 +0000

{ not sure if this is covered elsewhere}

Year: 1802
Month: Mar
Day: 10
Parents_Surname: MARFILL
Child_Forenames: Elizabeth
Fathers_Forenames: John
Mothers_Forenames: Elizabeth
Mothers_Surname:
Residence:
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister: J H BEESTON - minister
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P275 IN 1/6
Page_Number: 42
Parish_Chapel: Ruardean

Year: 1829
Month: Sep
Day: 14
Grooms_Surname: MATTHEWS
Grooms_Forenames: James
Grooms_Age:
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation:
Grooms_Residence: Hundred of St Braivels
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:
Brides_Surname: MARFELL
Brides_Forenames: Elizabeth
Brides_Age:
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Newland
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both sign
Witness_1: Richard Cook
Witness_2: Mark of Phobe Cook
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: H. Douglas Vicar
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P227 IN 1/11
Page_Number: 218
Parish_Chapel: Newland

Year: 1830
Month: Apr
Day: 25
Parents_Surname: MATTHEWS
Child_Forenames: Sarah Jane
Fathers_Forenames: James
Mothers_Forenames: Elizabeth
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Drybrook
Occupation: Collier
Officiating_Minister: J. Herbert
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/1
Page_Number: 102
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook

1851 Drybrook
James Matthewes abt 1810 Dean; Forest, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Matthewes abt 1802 Dean; Forest, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire
Eliza Matthewes abt 1833 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Benjamin Matthewes abt 1843 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Matthewes abt 1847 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire

Year: 1858 [??]Month: Jun
Day: 21
Surname: MATTHEWS
Forenames: James
Residence: Drybrook
Age_at_death: [not stated]
Officiating_Minister: W[illia]m Penfold
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/11
Page_No: 152
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook

1861
Elizabeth Matthews abt 1802 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
Benjamin Matthews abt 1843 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire

Esther MATTHEWS - 1841 - Ind (reply)

m p griffiths — Fri, 13 Aug 2010 11:46:34 +0000

Jim

In previous reply, the Marriage of John WILCE & Esther WILLIAMS is on Freebdm - A/M/J Qtr 1850 Westbury S

Thomas MATTHEWS age 7 on the 1841 census with Esther - listed as Ind

1841 Enumerator's Instructions - see "Profession, Trade, Employment, or of Independent Means"

http://www.freewebs.com/mmjeffery/1841enumeratorinstructions.htm

Baptism 6 January 1839 @ Drybrook

Thomas MATHEWS

parents William (Collier) & Hester - Blackwell Meadows

(British History on line) there is Blackwell Meadows, Mitcheldean

http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=23259

The map 1880 on this British History on Line page for Mitcheldean - shows Blackwell Meadows - top left
double click on map to enlarge

MATTHEWS/WILCE (reply)

jimashton — Fri, 13 Aug 2010 11:41:06 +0000

Esther Dubberley baptised 25th January 1789 had an illegitimate son James in 1811, she married William Matthews in 1813, he must have died before 1851, but the entry you have for 1835 must be wrong as he would have been 43 not 67.

I don't know when Esther married John Wilce, but certainly before 1851 as per the 1851 Census :

1851 Census East Dean
134
WILCE John 54 Coal Miner Oxenhall
Hester 58 Forest of Dean
MATTHEWS Ephraim Stepson 28 Coal Miner Forest of Dean
Thomas Stepson 18 Coal Miner Mitchel Dean

1861 Census East Dean RG9 1754 179
John wilce 64 Coal Miner Gorsley Herefordshire
Hester 71 Ruardean

I have the marriage certificate of William Matthews & Esther's son Ephraim to Elizabeth Marfell on 16 Apr 1853, Father William is shown as deceased.

Jim Ashton

MATTHEWS/WILCE (reply)

m p griffiths — Wed, 11 Aug 2010 18:25:35 +0000

Not sure if there is a previous thread..... re Esther DUBBERLEY christened 27 January 1789 at Ruardean, parents John & Betty

Can't find this 'yet' on FOD records, but the marriage certificate should give her maiden name (and father's name) and well as her first marriage name.

FreeBDM

Marriage A/M/J Qtr 1850 Westbury S

Esther MATTHEWS married
John WILCE

1861 Census, Drybrook

John WILCE - 64 - born Hereford, Gorsley
Hester WILCE - 71 c1790 - born Glos. RUARDEAN - buried 18 February 1866 age 77 c1789 - Ruardean

1851 Census, East Dean
Hagsley Hill

John WILCE - 54 Coalminer, born Oxenhall Glos
Hester WILCE - 58 c1793 - born Forest of Dean
Ephraim MATTHEWS - 28 - born Forest of Dean
Thomas MATTHEWS - 18 - born Mitchelden

1841 Census, Drybrook - page 2 of 8 (previous page to Esther MATTHEWS and her family)

John WILCE - 40 Cole Miner
Ann WILCE - 57
Isaac WILCE - 10
Sybal WILCE - 16 (buried at Drybrook - Sibylla WILCE 26 March 1846)

1841 Census Dean Forest Ross - Drybrook

Haseley - Page 3 of 8 (next page to John WILCE)

Esther MATTHEWS - 45 - Ind
Elisha - 25 (christened 19 April 1815) William & Esther - residence Ruardean, Collier (christened at Mitcheldean)
married Elizabeth MARFELL - 10 July 1847, Weston under Penyard (father William)
Elijah - 21 (christened 25 December 1819) William & Esther - residence Morse, Collier (christened at Drybrook)
Esther - 18
Joshua - 16 (christened 14 September 1823) William & Esther - residence Morse (christened at Drybrook)
Caleb - 15
Ephraim - 10 (christened 26 December 1830) William & Hester - residence :Hawthorns (christened at Drybrook)
Thomas - 7

Ann MATTHEWS - christened 14 September 1818 - William & Hester, address Morse in Ruardean - christened Ruardean

? FOD records

William MATTHEWS burial - 6 December 1835 - age 67 - residence : MORSE, Chapel : Ruardean

Duberley/Matthews (reply)

betty — Wed, 11 Aug 2010 17:10:01 +0000

William Matthews b. ca 1795 was my 4X's great grandfather. I am descended through his son, Elijah, b. 1819 in Ruardean, and then through Elijah's son, Thomas, b. 1845 in Ruardean. My great grandfather, Thomas Reed Matthews, b. 1867, came to the U.S. in 1891. I, too, believe that the William who married Hester/Esther Duberly in English Bicknor in 1813 was my ancestor. However, I am not certain that the Hester/Esther born to John and Betty Duberly was the same person who married William. Does anyone have documentation or information in your family tree that substantiates that? Also, Esther appears without William in the 1841 census index. She is with her children, Elisha, Elijah, Esther, Joshua, Caleb, Ephraim, and Thomas. Does anyone have William in the 1841 census index? Thanks for any help you can give me. Sue

Duberley/Matthews (reply)

sue2 — Fri, 05 Feb 2010 10:22:46 +0000

Thanks for your reply, I will look into them as I have no info on the Duberleys

Regards

Sue

Duberley/Matthews (reply)

pauldub — Thu, 04 Feb 2010 23:28:42 +0000

It can all be quite confusing with the various spelling permutations for Duberley. But I think Esther Duberley (b1789) is my 4th-great grand niece. And she was the daugther of John & Betty as indicated elsewhere on this thread.

I hadn't linked in the marriage to Matthews in 1813 but I did have a James Dubberley as her child in 1811 who then married Dinah Buffin and they had a number of chilrden as follows:

Esther b1837
Jane b1839
Elizabeth b1841
James b1845
Thomas James b1847
Sarah Ann b1849
Fanny b1854

I must have another look at the Duberley family tree and see if I can sort out any further information.

Paul

Duberley/Matthews (reply)

m p griffiths — Thu, 04 Feb 2010 18:39:46 +0000

Hester DUBERLEY m William MATTHEWS - 23 August 1813, English Bicknor

Is this your Esther's family

All on FOD records

John DUBERLY married Betty HARRIS - Ruardean, 19 October 1778, witnesses: Joseph HARVEY ? & Joseph HARPER?

Ruardean

Esther DUBBERLEY, christening - 25 January 1789, father: John - mother: Betty

Other children at Ruardean of John & Betty

Betty - 7.3.1779 (Burial Ruardean Betty DUBBERLY - 2 April 1783)
John - 5.11.1780 *
William - 18 April 1783 **
James - 6 August 1786
Susannah - 8 January 1792(??? Susan DUBERLY of St Briavels m James WILLIAMS - Newland 31 Oct 1813)
Henry - 24 March 1793 - (burial 17 September 1793 - son of John & Betty - Ruardean)
Richard - 14 August 1796 (? burial 18 November 1798 - Ruardean)

* ? John DUBBERLY m Jane BENNETT (Ruardean - 12 March 1805)

** William DUBERLY m Sarah HARDWICK (Ruardean 16 October 1806)
** William DUBERLEY (Wid) m Lydia HOLDWAY (Ruardean 22 February 1822)

Hiatt-Duberly (reply)

sue2 — Thu, 04 Feb 2010 17:14:45 +0000

hello Paul

I am new to the site, but saw that you said about the Duberleys. I have an Ester/Hester Duberley C1790 who married William Matthews c1790. Do you know anything about her

Thanks
Sue

DUBERLEY photo etc (reply)

slowhands — Sat, 20 Oct 2007 21:19:10 +0000

http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?mode=thread&id=1146#p1146

of Tom and Ada

Hiatt-Duberly (reply)

PaulDub — Sat, 20 Oct 2007 11:45:49 +0000

Lily Ida Matthews (who seems to have been known as Kate) was born 03 Aug 1898 and married Eric William George Duberley b1898 in 1919. He was one of the 11 sons of Alfred Thomas Duberley b1872 and Ada Lilian Baldwin b1874. Eric and Lily had nine children. The details then get too much to mention. But if you are interested I can supply the information.

Paul

Hiatt-Duberly (reply)

christinebarnes — Fri, 19 Oct 2007 13:00:14 +0000

Hi Paul

Not sure if Elsie Hyatt was one of our relatives as our name is spelt Hiatt.I have now found out the connection with the Hiatts and Duberleys.My grandmother Alice Hiatt(nee Matthews)had a siter called Lily Matthews born 1899 she married Eric Duberley.

Thanks for getting back to me sorry its took so long to reply computer problems just got a new one.

Chris

Hiatt-Duberly (reply)

PaulDub — Sat, 22 Sep 2007 13:06:40 +0000

I have mapped most of the Duberley's into my family tree. I can tell you that Elsie Hyatt (b1895, d1963) married Lester Albert Duberley (b1901, d1945) in 1929. Lester was the son of Alfred Thomas Duberley (b1872, d1937) and Ada Lilian Baldwin (b1874, d1944). Lester and Elsie had two children Josephine Molly (b1929) and Frank (b1933, d2000). Josephine married William Sleeman in 1952. I can't find any evidence of Frank getting married.

Paul Duberley

DUBERLEY of Ruardean (reply)

slowhands — Mon, 17 Sep 2007 10:23:06 +0000

http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?mode=thread&id=1146#p1146

Hiatt-Duberly

christinebarnes — Mon, 17 Sep 2007 07:25:11 +0000

Hello everyone i am researching my Dads side of the family HIATT thanks to Chris and Bertha for getting in touch with me.I saw a photo of the Duberley family from Ruardean and thought i knew the name i now know they were related to the Hiatts so i wondered if any of them could help me with my search.I see the photo was submitted by a David Duberley.Still finding my way around the site as i only joined it a few weeks back so its all new to me but what a great site so interesting to see all the old photographs.

Thanks

Chris