Forest of Dean FHT Forum - Beata BRAIN born abt 1834 maybe Collafield

Beata BRAIN born abt 1834 maybe Collafield (reply)

tentoes — Sun, 15 Aug 2010 14:56:26 +0000

A little off track from the origional question of where Beta might have been in 1871 I know, but intriqued by the workhouse connection prompted me to visit to Gloucester Archives.

Beata's time in the workhouse is documented through out the Westbury Union statement of accounts for the years 1883 (half year to Michaelmus) to 1894 (half year to Lady Day) - found within the east Dean list of Indoor Paupers. So as you see it seems she reamined here for around 11 years,until her death.

The weekly cost of maintence per head in 1893 is noted as
including necessaries. s. d.
2 7 1/2
weekly cost of clothing 0 7 1/4

total cost 3 2 3/4

It is not clear why she entered the workhouse from these records, however it seems her father William may have been receiving outdoor relief from the parish for some of this time due to being infirm. (1888-1895)

ref 1888 Westbury Union statement of accounts through to 1895 (half year ending Michalmus)

It would apprear from these records that he was approx aged 78 when he died and was infirm, listed as living in either The Ruffet or Collamore.

Another small piece to the jigsaw!

Littledean - BRAIN (reply)

slowhands — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 09:22:16 +0000

Class: HO107; Piece 364; Book: 8;
Civil Parish: Dean Forest; County: Gloucestershire; Enumeration District: 11;
Folio: 8; Page: 11; Line: 2;
GSU roll: 288776.

1841 Edgehills
Willam Brain abt 1773 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
Brata Brain abt 1776 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
Emele Brain abt 1824 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
Lucy Brain abt 1829 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
Thomas Brain abt 1821 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
Ann Brain abt 1776 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire

Littledean - BRAIN (reply)

jimashton — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 06:39:54 +0000

Thanks Slowhands

Is it possible to check out this census report, I am not sure about the ages as you can see :

1841 Census HO 107/364/8 Folio 7 page 10
William Brain age 68 ?
Ann abt 1776 ?
Brata abt 1776 ?
Emele abt 1824
Lucy abt 1829
Thomas abt 1821

Littledean - BRAIN (reply)

Danny — Sun, 09 Dec 2007 22:45:12 +0000

hello Slowhands

I can't add much to your input as i struggle to read the fiche at Gloucester Archives. some little bits for your info are;-

Ann Morgan was bap 27 Nov 1685

her son James Brayne was bap 10 or 18? Feb 1724

James Brayne 1724 married an Elizabeth (or Eliza) c1743 but I'm not sure if it was Elizabeth Gardiner. Another? Elizabeth Gardiner married another James Brayne at Littledean in 1783, maybe Ancestral Trails mixed the two ?

I can't help with the William Brayne question as I worked up through the James Brayne 19 Aug 1740 route

Danny

Newnham- BRAIN (reply)

slowhands — Sat, 08 Dec 2007 23:14:46 +0000

Jim

the other route I have considered is Roger/Elizabeth BRAIN , Newnham...

and that might lead to a Roger Brain from Stonehouse / Eastington

Year 1777
Month Apr
Day 6
Parents Surname BRAIN
Child Forename(s) William
Father's Forename(s) Roger
Mother's Forename(s) Elizabeth
Mother's Surname
Place of Residence Newnham
Occupation
Officiating Minister
Event type Baptism
Memoranda
Notes
Register Reference P228 IN 1/3
Page No
Parish/Chapel Newnham

Year 1780
Month Nov
Day 1
Parents Surname BRAYNE
Child Forename(s) Hannah
Father's Forename(s) Roger
Mother's Forename(s) Elizabeth
Mother's Surname
Place of Residence Newnham
Occupation
Officiating Minister
Event type Baptism
Memoranda
Notes
Register Reference P228 IN 1/3
Page No
Parish/Chapel Newnham

Year 1784
Month Jun
Day 22
Surname BRAYNE
Forename(s) Roger
Place of Residence [not stated]
Age at death [not stated]
Officiating Minister [not stated]
Event Burial
Cause of death [not stated]
Memoranda Sen[io]r
Notes
Register Reference P228 IN 1/4
Page No 0
Parish/Chapel Newnham

Year 1849
Month Jun
Day 24
Surname BRAIN
Forename(s) William
Place of Residence East Dean
Age at death 71
Officiating Minister He[n]ry Mark Willis
Event Burial
Cause of death
Memoranda
Notes
Register Reference P110 IN 1/12
Page No 15
Parish/Chapel Littledean

Littledean - BRAIN (reply)

slowhands — Sat, 08 Dec 2007 06:20:01 +0000

Jim

my notes look like this - a number of assumptions made I'm afraid, so....

Generation No. 1

1. WILLIAM BRAYNE was born Abt. 1653 in Little Dean, Gloucestershire, England. He married KATHRYN ??.

Child of WILLIAM BRAYNE and KATHRYN ?? is:
i. THOMAS BRAYNE, b. 5 Sep 1680, Little Dean, Gloucestershire, England; d. 16 Mar 1746/47, Little Dean, Gloucestershire, England.

Generation No. 2

2. THOMAS BRAYNE (WILLIAM) was born 5 Sep 1680 in Little Dean, Gloucestershire, England, and died 16 Mar 1746/47 in Little Dean, Gloucestershire, England. He married ANN MORGAN 5 Nov 1705 in Little Dean, Gloucestershire, England. She was born 1684 in Little Dean, Gloucestershire, England.

More About THOMAS BRAYNE and ANN MORGAN:
Marriage: 5 Nov 1705, Little Dean, Gloucestershire, England

Child of THOMAS BRAYNE and ANN MORGAN is:
i. JAMES BRAYNE, b. 16 Feb 1722/23, Newnham Gloucestershire, England.

Generation No. 3

3. JAMES BRAYNE (THOMAS, WILLIAM) was born 16 Feb 1722/23 in Newnham Gloucestershire, England. He married ELIZABETH GARDINER. She was born 1719 in Little Dean, Gloucestershire, England.

Children of JAMES BRAYNE and ELIZABETH GARDINER are:
i. JAMES BRAIN, b. 19 Aug 1740.
ii. GILES BRAIN, b. 28 Sep 1743.
iii. MATTHEW BRAIN, b. 23 Mar 1744/45.
iv. JOHN BRAIN, b. 1746.
v. MARY BRAIN, b. 22 Feb 1747/48.
vi. WILLIAM BRAIN, b. 21 Jul 1751, Little Dean, Gloucestershire, England.
vii. SARAH BRAIN, b. 5 Sep 1756.

Generation No. 4

4. WILLIAM BRAIN (JAMES BRAYNE, THOMAS, WILLIAM) was born 21 Jul 1751 in Little Dean, Gloucestershire, England. He married ???.

Child of WILLIAM BRAIN and ??? is:
5. i. WILLIAM BRAIN, b. Apr 1785, Little Dean, Gloucestershire, England; d. 24 Jun 1849, East Dean, Gloucestershire, England.

Beatah BRAIN born abt 1834 Collafield / Edge Hill (reply)

jimashton — Sat, 08 Dec 2007 04:46:02 +0000

Hi Slowhands

This information could show up an error in my family tree. Whilst the dates of birth for William Brain 1785 vary, for instance his 1849 burial entry shows him as 71 = born 1778. Who do you think his parents are ? There is a William Brain baptised 5.8.1787 Ruardean son of William Brain and Ann Whittingham, but there is also a burial entry for this William 7.9.1810 Ruardean, son of William & Ann.

I have William Brain 1807 son of William Brain & Beata Beddis as married to (1) Sophia Annis married Flaxley 10.10.1831, with daughter Beata baptised 12.1.1834. I have him then married to Susannah Hayward 3.12.1846 Drybrook – witnesses Charles Hayward & Emily Brain
In my family tree I have a William Brain baptised 23.1.1803 son of James Brain & Hannah Blanch, married to Susannah, they have children Mary, Margaret & Jessie. I have no marriage for Mary, but Margaret married George Tyler with 2 children Jessie & Elizabeth. Jessie married Margaret Murrell and they had 11 children :

1851 Census
BRAIN William 46 Quarryman Little Deam
Susanna 28 Little Dean
Beata 17 East Dean
Mary 10 East Dean
Margaret 3 East Dean
Jessee 1 East Dean

1861 Census East Dean
William Brain 56 Ag Lab East Dean
Susannah wife 39 East Dean
Beata 20 East Dean
Margaret 14 East Dean
Jessie 12 East Dean

1871 Census East Dean 2601/47
William Brain wdr 67 Lab Little Dean
Beta dtr 37 Edgehill East Dean
Jessie 21 son Edgehill East Dean
Margaret Murrell mother 22 Newent
Elizabeth dtr 2 Edgehill East Dean
Catherine dtr 8 mths Edgehill East Dean

Jessie was killed in a Mine accident 2lst December 1897 - Foxes Bridge Mine.

So, going back to my original question, who are the parents of William Brain whose documented age varies between 1773 – 1785, who married Beata Beddis 1.1.1807.

Jim Ashton

Beata Brain (reply)

m p griffiths — Fri, 07 Dec 2007 03:03:15 +0000

Ancestry.com 1871

Beata BRAIN and her family are mis-transcribed as

BADIN

she is listed as

Beta BADIN aged 37 - born Edgehill East Dean
William her father is aged 67 - Little Dean
Brother Jesse - aged 21
plus other family members.

Beatah BRAIN born abt 1834 Collafield / Edge Hill (reply)

slowhands — Fri, 07 Dec 2007 02:59:02 +0000

The Beateah entered the familiy when William's father -William BRAIN married Beateah BEDDIS , and they had a daughter Beteah in 1822( ish)

WILLIAM BRAIN was born Apr 1785 in Little Dean, Gloucestershire, England, and died 24 Jun 1849 in East Dean, Gloucestershire, England. He married BEATEAH BEDDIS daughter of JAMES BEDDIS and MARY MEREDITH. She was born Apr 1775, and died 3 Dec 1859 in Edgehills, East Dean, Gloucesteshire, England

Children of WILLIAM BRAIN and BEATEAH BEDDIS are:
i. JAMES BRAIN, b. 10 Jun 1807, Little Dean, Gloucestershire, England; d. 24 Aug 1886, Collafield, Gloucestershire, England.
ii. WILLIAM BRAIN, b. 1807
iii. BENJAMIN BRAIN, b. 1809
iv. CHARLES BRAIN, b. 1811
v. ELIZABETH BRAIN, b. 1813
vi. THOMAS BRAIN, b. 1817
vii. BETEAH BRAIN, b. 1822
viii. EMILAH BRAIN, b. 1824
ix. LUCY BRAIN, b. 1828

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Year: 1834
Month: Jan
Day: 12
Parents_Surname: BRAIN
Child_Forenames: Beata
Fathers_Forenames: William
Mothers_Forenames: Sophia
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Edge hills
Occupation: Labourer
Officiating_Minister: H. Berkin
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/1
Page_Number: 135
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook

1881 ( with other Brain / Grindle and Hale families)
William Brain abt 1801 Littledean Head Westbury On Severn - East Dean Gloucestershire
Beatias Brain abt 1836 Collafield Daughter Westbury On Severn - East Dean Gloucestershire

1891

Westbury on Severn Workhouse

Beta Brain abt 1832 Littledean, Gloucestershire, England Pauper Westbury On Severn, Gloucestershire

Name: Beta Brain
Estimated birth year: abt 1832
Year of Registration: 1894
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 62
District: Westbury On Severn
County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 187

Year: 1894
Month: Jan
Day: 31
Surname: BRAIN
Forenames: Beta
Residence: Westbury Union
Age_at_death: 62
Officiating_Minister: J. H. N. Barton Curate
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P85/1 IN 1/14
Page_No: 32
Parish_Chapel: Cinderford St Johns

First name origin & meaning:

Latin: Blessed

First name variations: Beatta, Beeta, Beetah, Beita, Beitah, Beyta, Beytah, Beata

Beata Brain (reply)

PhilipN — Fri, 07 Dec 2007 02:03:18 +0000

Beata was a common name in Germany. Its origin is Latin and means "blessed" as in beatify or beatification.
Phil

Beata BRAIN born abt 1834 maybe Collafield

Jean Herbert — Fri, 07 Dec 2007 01:50:04 +0000

William Brain born abt 1806 married Sophia Annis born abt 1813. They were married 10 Oct 1831 in Flaxley. Only child found so far of this marriage is a Beata(various spellings of name) Brain born abt 1834 maybe Collafield.
Beta was found on the 1841 census with her parents and on subsequent census 1851 and 1861 with her father and his second wife Susannah nee Harris. (William and Susannah were married on 3 Dec 1846 Drybrook and had issue)
Trying to trace Beta after 1861, when she would have been abt 28. So far have not found a death for her father William or stepmother Susannah but did find an interesting entry for the 1891 census for Civil Parish Westbury on Severn. RG12, piece 2007, folio 123, page 2. The record seems to be some sort of institution and included on the list of inmates is a Beta Brain age 59. Not sure this is the correct person.
Interestingly, included in the long list are several people whose surnames appear in my tree: Bertha Yemm age 15 - Ann Trigg age 76 - Joseph Mason age 69 - Caroline Meek age 14 - Sarah Herbert age 21 - William Beddis age 15.
I did find a record of burial for a Beta Brain died age 62 in 1894.
If this is the correct person, can anyone tell me where she was in 1871 - 1881? Also, Slowhands, you are very good at interpreting names, can you tell me the meaning of the Beata? Family opinion seems to think it is a shortening of Beatrice but I do not feel this is plausible. Regards Jean Herbert