Forest of Dean FHT Forum - Edwin Harris - LDS aka Family Search site

Edwin Harris - LDS aka Family Search site (reply)

Jefff — Sat, 16 Nov 2013 15:19:31 +0000

You're most welcome !
Apologies if you know this, but if you've not used it I can highly recommend the LDS aka Family Search website for general and potentially widespread searches. It's free, it's "worldwide" particularly North America so many of our migrating FoD ancestors, and despite being a bit "clunky" to get to work it's worth persevering with as is good at offering variations of name-spelling and dates etc - like many search sites it's wise to not be too restrictive when using the filters (eg look at the Wales results as well as England) as it's fairly quick n easy to browse thro suggested hits even if they run to a hundred or so. Yes it contains some errors but worth trying. For (hopefully) more guidance see
http://forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?mode=entry&id=35296

Edwin Harris son of Mary Ann Brain (reply)

lottabottle — Sat, 16 Nov 2013 11:54:49 +0000

Both of these are likely candidates Jeff thank you for looking I didnt find either of these when I looked for him
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Edwin Harris son of Mary Ann Brain (reply)

Jefff — Sat, 16 Nov 2013 00:50:36 +0000

Unlikely I guess, but could this possibly be your Edwin ?.
Dates moreorless fit including his immigration after his last known England Census location in 1871.
Needs more work of course, and no doubt an outsider, but ?.....

"United States Census, 1910"
Name: Edwin Harris
Titles and Terms:
Event Type: Census
Event Year: 1910
Event Place: Logan, Logan, West Virginia, United States
District: 62
Gender: Male
Age: 50
Marital Status: Single
Race: White
Race (Original): White
Relationship to Head of Household: Boarder
Relationship to Head of Household (Original): Boarder
Birth Year (Estimated): 1860
Birthplace: Wales
Immigration Year: 1880
Father's Birthplace: Wales
Mother's Birthplace: Wales
Sheet Number and Letter: 20B
Household ID: 148
Line Number:
Affiliate Name: The U.S. National Archives and Records Administration (NARA)
Affiliate Publication Number: M1283
GS Film number: 1375699
Digital Folder Number: 004454965
Image Number: 00129
Household Gender Age Birthplace
Head Carline Leppert F 47 Ohio
Son Charles J Leppert M 18 Ohio
Son Lester Leppert M 15 West Virginia
Son Howard Leppert M 12 Ohio
Servant Alda Spurlock M 16 Kentucky
Boarder Alexander Henderson M 70 Canada
Boarder Edwin Harris M 50 Wales
Boarder Louise Pratus M 25 Ohio
Boarder Will Pondexter M 86 Kentucky
Boarder O Bennaly Berkes M 19 West Virginia

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MPNY-884

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Or, perhaps more likely ?

Edwin Harris, "England and Wales Census, 1901"Name: Edwin Harris
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 31 Mar 1901
Gender: Male
Age: 40
Relationship to Head of Household: Servant
Birthplace: N K
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Midhurst
Sub-District: Fernhurst
Ecclesiastical Parish: Linchmere St Peter
Civil Parish: Linchmere
District/Parish/County: Sussex

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XSN5-N62

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Of course he may have joined the Army or Navy and is serving abroad by 1881, so not in the Census coverage ??

Edwin Harris son of Mary Ann Brain (reply)

jimashton — Fri, 15 Nov 2013 13:11:24 +0000

I have the same 1871 Census detail.

1871 Census Hinders Lane Gloucestershire - Some surnames are mis-transcribed as Blair - should be Brain
RG10, piece 2602, folio 25, page 4
Address Henders Lane
William Brain Head occ: Collier age 30 born abt 1841 East Dean
Mary Ann Brain Wife age 29 born abt 1842 Lea Hamlet Gloucestershire
Joseph Brain Brother occ: Collier age 17 born abt 1854 East Dean
Edwin Harris Wife's son age 10 born abt 1861 Westbury
Susannah Brain Dau age 5 born abt 1866 East Dean
Alfred Brain Son age 4 born abt 1867 East Dean
Matilda Brain Dau age 2 born abt 1869 East Dean
Henery Brain Son age 1 month born abt 1869 Henders lane

William Brain's brother Joseph doesn't help with the search for Edwin :

1891 Census East Dean
RG12, piece 2005, folio 41, page 31, GSU roll 6097115
Address: Upper Bibon East Dean Gloucestershire
Joseph Brain Head occ: Coal Miner age 36 born abt 1854 Broad Moor Cinderford Gloc
Emily Brain Wife age 41 born abt 1850 Huntley Gloucestershire
Eva Brain Dau age 8 born abt 1883 Westbury-on-Severn
George Brain Son age 5 born abt 1886 Cinderford

1901 Census East Dean
RG13, piece 2419, folio 177, page 14
Address: Steam Mills
Joseph Brain Head occ: Coal Miner age 36 born abt 1855 Steam Mills Gloucestershire
Emily Brain Wife age 51 born abt 1850 Huntley Gloucestershire
George Brain Son occ: Coal Miner age 15 born abt 1886 Steam Mills
James Brain Son age 8 born abt 1893 Steam Mills
Tom Brain Son age 6 born abt 1895 Steam Mills

Edwin not found on census for William's brothers Benjamin & Thomas either.

The mother of Mary Ann Harris Susannah nee Hayward did of course become the second wife of William Brain 1807 - her second marriage. You won't find Edwin with William Brain either.

Jim Ashton

Edwin Harris son of Mary Ann Brain (reply)

lottabottle — Wed, 06 Nov 2013 18:55:21 +0000

Hi Jeff I have looked all around the Brain family to see if Edwin Harris was with them but no luck .Thank you for looking
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Edwin Harris son of Mary Ann Brain (reply)

Jefff — Tue, 05 Nov 2013 18:33:38 +0000

Hi Lottabottle,
apologies if you've already covered this elsewhere on the forum (I have done a quick search and cannot find anything).
Do you know what happens to Mary Ann and the rest of the family after the 1871 census ? - altho by 1881 it's likely Edwin may have left the household, it's possible he's near/with his relatives, perhaps ?.

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LATER UPDATE - Sorry, I hadnt realised the prior thread's been added to this one, and that the 1881 Census for our Brain/Harris household is in there, less Edwin sadly...

Also missing is Edwin's Uncle Joseph Brain b1854, maybe if we find him in 1891 etc then we'll find Edwin too, perhaps ??

I cannot give a full household, but think this MAY be our Joseph from LDS, right birthyear etc but a common name..

"England and Wales Census, 1901
"Name: Joseph Brain
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 31 Mar 1901
Gender: Male
Age: 46
Relationship to Head of Household: Head
Birthplace: Steam Mills, Gloucestershire
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Westbury On Severn
Sub-District: East Dean
Ecclesiastical Parish: Holy Trinity
Civil Parish: East Dean
District/Parish/County: Gloucestershire

https://familysearch.org/search

Edwin Harris 1868 - 1877 (reply)

slowhands — Tue, 05 Nov 2013 17:11:06 +0000

Thank you I thought it was an error thank you for looking

I think it links to his namesake ...

Name:
Edwin Harris

Date of Registration:
Jul-Aug-Sep 1868

Registration District:
Westbury on Severn

Inferred County:
Gloucestershire

Volume:
6a

Page:
209

Edwin Harris born 1861 son of Mary Ann Brain (reply)

lottabottle — Tue, 05 Nov 2013 16:58:22 +0000

Thank you I thought it was an error thank you for looking

Edwin Harris born 1861 son of Mary Ann Brain (reply)

Paul Andrews — Tue, 05 Nov 2013 15:46:58 +0000

You are quite correct his age in 1877 would have been older than 9. I am not wondering if FreeBMD has an error. I made a mistake when reading the 1871 census. I will continue to look for him.

Edwin Harris son of Mary Ann Brain (reply)

Jefff — Tue, 05 Nov 2013 15:08:28 +0000

Hi Paul,
I guess you have noticed just how very common this name is !. However wouldn't his given age be older than 9 if he was born in 1861 abd died in 1877, or are you wondering if FreeBMD has an error ?
I've tried Ancestry free search page and cannot see him on 1881 Census atho have only briefly searched - I wonder if need to search 1881 census further for him perhaps under surname Brain as well as Harris/Harries etc ??

Here is 1871 Census from LDS:

Name: Edwin Harris
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1871
Gender: Male
Age: 10
Relationship to Head of Household: Son
Birthplace: Westbury, Gloucestershire
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Westbury On Severn
Sub-District: Newnham
Parish: Henders Lane
County: Gloucestershire
Household Gender Age Birthplace
Self William Brain M 30 East Dean, Gloucestershire
Wife Mary Ann Brain F 29 Lea Hamlet, Gloucestershire
Son Edwin Harris M 10 Westbury, Gloucestershire
Daughter Susannah Brain F 5 East Dean, Gloucestershire
Son Alfred Brain M 4 East Dean, Gloucestershire
Daughter Matilda Brain F 2 East Dean, Gloucestershire
Son Henory Brain M 0 Henderslane, Gloucestershire
Brother Joseph Brain M 17 East Dean, Gloucestershire

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LATER UPDATE FOR MY EASE OF READING,

thanks to the newly-added prior post I see this 1881 Census for this houshold; so missing Joseph as well as Edwin.

1881
William Brain abt 1841 Flaxeley Parish Head Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
Mary Ann Brain abt 1842 Flaxeley Parish Wife Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
Susan Hannah Brain abt 1865 Bilson Green East Dean Daughter Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
Alfred Brain abt 1867 Bilson Green East Dean Son Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
Matilda Brain abt 1869 Bilson Green East Dean Daughter Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
Henry Brain abt 1871 Bilson Green East Dean Son Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
Agness Brain abt 1873 Bilson Green East Dean Daughter Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
Edith Brain abt 1875 Bilson Green East Dean Daughter Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
Maria Brain abt 1878 Bilson Green East Dean Daughter Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Brain abt 1880 Bilson Green East Dean Daughter Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire

A long shot, perhaps, but if we find Joseph Brain maybe we'll be led to Edwin ??.

Edwin Harris son of Mary Ann Brain (reply)

Paul Andrews — Tue, 05 Nov 2013 14:47:57 +0000

Possible death:

Source: FreeBMD

Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page

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Deaths Sep 1877 (>99%)
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HARRIS Edwin 9 Westbury S. 6a 133

Edwin Harris son of Mary Ann Brain (reply)

lottabottle — Tue, 05 Nov 2013 14:24:06 +0000

In 1861 my grandmother Mary Ann Harris was in the Westbury workhouse aged about 19 yr old .She had a child there and named him Edwin Harris . In 1864 Mary married William Brain son of James and Agnes Brain .The last cencus I can find Edwin Harris on is in 1871 when he is 10 yr old after that I cannot seem to find him .I wondered if anyone has any clue to where he went .

William BRAIN abt 1806 children of second marriage (reply)

jimashton — Mon, 03 Jan 2011 15:35:55 +0000

Jean and all contributors.

My Family Tree concurs with most of the information in this thread, which you would expect as Jean & I correspond.

To add to the thread.

Mary Ann Harris was baptised 21 Mar 1841 Little Dean, daughter of James Harris 1818/1842 & Susannah Hayward. James Harris 1818 married Susannah Hayward 18 Feb 1839 Walford. He was buried 11 Feb 1842.
Susannah then married William Brain 1807 at Drybrook 3 Dec 1846.

Mary Ann Harris 1841 married William Brain 1838 in 1864 and as Slowhands has surmised he was the son of James Brain 1809 & Agnes Roberts 1811.

As per the family tradition, before marrying William Brain Mary Ann Harris had an illegitimate son Edwin in 1861 I do not know what happened to him, but whilst William Brain is related to me, Edwin Harris is not.

Before William Brain 1807 married Susannah Hayward, he had married Sophia Annis 1803 at Flaxley 10 Oct 1831, they had a child Beata 1934. Sophia was buried Little Dean 12 Mar 1843. Unfortunately she died in the Westbury Union Workhouse in 1894.

Jim Ashton

Agnes BRAIN (nee ROBERTS) 1811 Awre - prior thread (reply)

jimashton — Mon, 03 Jan 2011 15:20:18 +0000

Slowhands

Going back through your link :

http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=10687

I too did not know the parents of Agnes Roberts.

As I have 361 Roberts in my family tree, it would be very useful if anyone knows the parents of Agnes's father Thomas Roberts. There are numerous baptisms to Thomas Roberts of an appropriate age.

Jim Ashton

Agnes BRAIN (nee ROBERTS) (reply)

jimashton — Mon, 03 Jan 2011 15:16:02 +0000

Helen

I had not realised that John Roberts who married Jane Roberts and Mary Ann Roberts had been the illegitimate son of Abiah Roberts, daughter of Moses Roberts and Mary Hayward.

Most of the information you have shown concurs with my family tree. However I have Abiah Roberts as being married to Giles Brain :

Year: 1837
Month: Sep
Day: 23
Grooms_Surname: BRAIN
Grooms_Forenames: Giles
Grooms_Age: of full age
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: collier
Grooms_Residence: Ruardean Hill
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Brain
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: James
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Collier
Brides_Surname: ROBERTS
Brides_Forenames: Abiah
Brides_Age: of full age
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation: none stated
Brides_Residence: Ruardean Hill
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Roberts
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Moses
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Collier
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: He signs she marks
Witness_1: Mark of George Roberts
Witness_2: Abiah Harris
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: George Ridout Vicar
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P227 IN 1/12
Page_Number: 6
Parish_Chapel: Newland

Jim Ashton

William BRAIN 1838 Roughett -> Cinderford (reply)

tentoes — Sat, 01 Jan 2011 22:38:39 +0000

Once again great work, thank you so much!

Agnes BRAIN (nee ROBERTS) 1811 Awre - prior thread (reply)

slowhands — Thu, 30 Dec 2010 12:28:58 +0000

http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=10687

Agnes BRAIN (nee ROBERTS) (reply)

HeleninGlos — Thu, 30 Dec 2010 11:14:16 +0000

Whilst I cannot answer your query about Agnes Brain I can give a little extra info on the Buffin family and John Roberts who was with them in 1851.

John "Roberts" was born in 1832 to the unmarried Abia Roberts (bap 1813 dau of Moses Roberts and Mary). His father was John Reed who had died in Dec 1831.

Abiah Roberts married John Buffin 15 Mar 1835, Abenhall. In 1841 Census John "Roberts" is with his mother and step father and children from their marriage but is recorded as John BUFFIN.

Abiah died in 1841 so as you have noted in 1851 census John Roberts is with the Buffin familiy.

John Buffin marries again 11 June 1848, Spouse Eliza Roberts (dau of William Turner). I am yet to find the link if any between Eliza Roberts and Abia Roberts.

John Roberts (b1832) marries Mary Ann Hatton in Westbury 1863 and after her death marries Jane Roberts( again no link found yet) on 27 Nov 1870 in Cinderford. Jane Roberts was born 1838, the daughter of William Roberts and Ann. She is recorded as widow at time of her marriage to John Roberts but her 1st husband John Dobbins is alive and well and married to someone else.

Jane Roberts has a sister Labeata who married Benjamin Brain b1836, son of Cornelius Brain.

This might confuse things further but is a summary of what I have found so far.

Agnes BRAIN (nee ROBERTS) (reply)

m p griffiths — Thu, 30 Dec 2010 09:46:22 +0000

trying to find Agnes ROBERTS' baptism.......

Using the Advanced Search:

Agnes BRAIN was a witness at the wedding at Awre - 18 February 1846 (along with Elizabeth CADOGAN)

Mary ROBERTS - Spinster
Father's Name: William TURNER - Collier

James WALDWYN - Bachelor (Collier)
Father's Name: James RUDGE

and again

Agnes BRAIN was a witnesses at the wedding of

Mary WALDING (Widow) (father William TURNER) - when Mary married Henry LEAR - 9 August 1847 at Christchurch

1851 Census, Glos. East Dean
Old Rudge

Henry LEAR - 32 - Coal Miner - all born East Dean
Mary LEAR - 29
William LEAR - 6

another sister FOD records

Marriage 11 June 1848 - Drybrook

John BUFFIN - age 35 Bachelor (Collier) of Ruardean Hill - father William BUFFIN

married

Eliza ROBERTS - age 27 - Spinster of Ruardean Hill - father William TURNER (Collier)

witnesses: William and Sarah BRAIN

1851 Census - Ruardean Hill

John BUFFIN - 40 Coal Miner, born East Dean (Married to Abia BUFFIN 1841 census)
Eliza BUFFIN - 30 - born Ruardean
John ROBERTS - Son age 19 - Coal Miner, born East Dean
Maria BUFFIN - 16
Israel BUFFIN - 14
William BUFFIN - 11
Eliza BUFFIN - 8
Lucy BUFFIN - 6
Abiah BUFFIN - 4
John BUFFIN - 3
Thomas BUFFIN - 8 months

William BRAIN 1838 Roughett -> Cinderford (reply)

slowhands — Thu, 30 Dec 2010 07:26:34 +0000

I'm reasonably sure this is William's line

Year: 1832
Month: Sep
Day: 17
Grooms_Surname: BRAIN
Grooms_Forenames: James
Grooms_Age: [not stated]
Groom_Condition: [not stated]
Grooms_Occupation: [not stated]
Grooms_Residence: Forest of Dean
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: [not stated]
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: [not stated]
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Surname: ROBERTS
Brides_Forenames: Agnes
Brides_Age: [not stated]
Brides_Condition: [not stated]
Brides_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Residence: Forest of Dean
Brides_Fathers_Surname: [not stated]
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: [not stated]
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: [not stated]
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both Mark
Witness_1: Benjamin Brain
Witness_2: Charles Fennell
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: J. H. Malpas Vicar
Event: Marriage
Memoranda: with Consent of Parents
Notes:
Register_Reference: P30 IN 1/5
Page_Number: 71
Parish_Chapel: Awre

Year: 1838
Month: Aug
Day: 26
Parents_Surname: BRAIN
Child_Forenames: William
Fathers_Forenames: James
Mothers_Forenames: Agnes
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Little Dean roughett
Occupation: Collier
Officiating_Minister: H. Berkin
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/1
Page_Number: 187
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook

1841 Old Engine ( nr Cinderford)
James Brain abt 1806 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
Agnes Brain abt 1816 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
Benjmin Brain abt 1833 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
Moria Brain abt 1836 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
Willam Brain abt 1839 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire

1851
James Brain abt 1803 Littledean Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean Gloucestershire
Anges Brain abt 1816 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean Gloucestershire
Benjamin Brain abt 1833 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire
[James Brain abt 1850 Littledean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean Gloucestershire ]
Maria Brain abt 1836 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean Gloucestershire
Thomas Brain abt 1842 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire
William Brain abt 1839 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire

1861
James Brain abt 1801 Little Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean Gloucestershire
Ester Brain abt 1846 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean Gloucestershire
Thos Brain abt 1843 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire
Wm Brain abt 1840 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire
Henry Brain abt 1849 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire
Joseph Brain abt 1854 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire

(Agnes as a daughter is a "good" sign)