Name: Ida Gifford
Year of Registration: 1876
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Monmouth (1837-1939)
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 19

Name: Harry Gifford
Year of Registration: 1878
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Monmouth (1837-1939)
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 21

Name: Damaria Maria Gifford
Year of Registration: 1880
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Monmouth (1837-1939)
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 26

1881
Mark Gifford abt 1838 Bream Newland, Gloucestershire, England Head Newland, Gloucestershire
Phoeba Gifford abt 1838 Yorkshireley West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife Newland, Gloucestershire
George Gifford abt 1871 Bream Newland, Gloucestershire, England Son Newland, Gloucestershire
Millicent Gifford abt 1873 Bream Newland, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Newland, Gloucestershire
Harry Gifford abt 1879 Yorkshireley West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son Newland, Gloucestershire
Damaris Gifford abt 1880 Yorkshireley West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Newland, Gloucestershire

After Harriet died, Mark married Phoebe Morse at Parkend in 1875 and had a further three children Ida Maud born 1876, Harry born 1879 and my grandmother Damaris Maria born 1880. On the parish records I can't find a baptism for the last three children.
They all lived in Yorkley and I am wondering if there is a church around that area where the records have not been transcribed?

I did find a burial in 1899 for Harry in Viney Hill.

Only just seen this message. Ida Maud Gifford was my grandmother's sister. My grandmother was Damaris Gifford and Ida and Damaris were two of the three children born to Mark Gifford and Phoebe Morse. You have probably seen their photos on this site. Mark was previously married to a Harriet Jones 1842-1874 and they had three children. I have been in touch with Ida's granddaughter and she says that Ida was fostered by an 'aunt who had no children' because their mother (Phoebe) couldn't cope and the foster father was governor of Liverpool Jail. I have only found this out in the last week or two. I couldn't understand why Ida didn't appear in the 1881 and 1891 censuses but I found her in 1901 in service at Liverpool at the home of her uncle William who was by now a widower.

I have also been trying to find the family connection, at first I thought William was a relation of Ida's fathers first wife Harriet Jones until I saw he was born in Ireland and Harriet was from Oldland in the Forest of Dean.

It seems very strange that Ida was given up at such an early age whereas the other children all stayed in the Forest of Dean. My grandmother also came up north to Lancashire.

Janet

I am new to this website, and have been trawling through the forum and found this link.

Mark Gifford is my great great Grandfather on my mothers side.. my grand mother was Ida May Gifford Born 1905 - her father was George Jonie(jones) gifford whose mother and father was Mark & Harriet. Afetr Harriet died Mark remarried a lady called Phoebe Morse.

I have a Gifford Family tree on the Ancestry website under Gifford tree...

I was lucky enough to hook up with a lady called Janet Rigby who is related to Phoebe Morse through her Great grandmother Damaris.. She had traced the Gifford Family tree back to 1605...

I have put in as much as i can into my family tree in Ancestry...

The unfortunate thing I have found is that the familys were large and they had children of the same name and they named their children the same names and some of them were born within months of each other....

Please take a look at my family tree..

If you have nay news on the giffords, I know my mum & Aunt would love to know.

Look forward to hearing from you

Sarah

Year: 1837
Month: Jul
Day: 16
Parents_Surname: GIFFORD
Child_Forenames: Mark
Fathers_Forenames: Mark
Mothers_Forenames: Jane
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Bream
Occupation: Collier
Officiating_Minister: H. G. Poole Minister
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P57 IN 1/2
Page_Number: 61
Parish_Chapel: Bream

1841 Bream
Mark Gifford abt 1796 Gloucestershire, England Newland, Gloucestershire
Jane Gifford abt 1796 Gloucestershire, England Newland, Gloucestershire
Charlotte Gifford abt 1821 Gloucestershire, England Newland, Gloucestershire
Emma Gifford abt 1836 Gloucestershire, England Newland, Gloucestershire
Mark Gifford abt 1837 Gloucestershire, England Newland, Gloucestershire
Melson Gifford abt 1840 Gloucestershire, England Newland, Gloucestershire
Thomas Gifford abt 1821 Gloucestershire, England Newland, Gloucestershire
William Gifford abt 1821 Gloucestershire, England Newland, Gloucestershire

Clear as mud, but I'm still looking into it :-)

1841 Pillowell
William Thomas abt 1791 Gloucestershire, England Newland, Gloucestershire
Priscilla Thomas abt 1798 Gloucestershire, England Newland, Gloucestershire
Charles Thomas abt 1840 Gloucestershire, England Newland, Gloucestershire
Harriot Thomas abt 1837 Gloucestershire, England Newland, Gloucestershire
James Thomas abt 1835 Gloucestershire, England Newland, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Thomas abt 1832 Gloucestershire, England Newland, Gloucestershire
Henry Thomas abt 1827 Gloucestershire, England Newland, Gloucestershire
Sarah Thomas abt 1830 Gloucestershire, England Newland, Gloucestershire
William Thomas abt 1821 Gloucestershire, England Newland, Gloucestershire

1851
William Thomas abt 1792 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head Newland, Gloucestershire
Priscilla Thomas abt 1797 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Wife Newland, Gloucestershire
Charles Hromas abt 1842 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Son Newland, Gloucestershire
Harriet Hromas abt 1839 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Newland, Gloucestershire
Henry Hromas abt 1827 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Son Newland, Gloucestershire

1861
Harriet Thomas abt 1832 Peovinell, Gloucestershire, England Visitor St George Hanover Square, Middlesex

Name: William Jones
Name: Harriet Thomas
Year of Registration: 1863
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Clifton
County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 211

So ... could the Harriet JONES who married Mark GIFFORD have been a sister to William JONES (who married "my" Harriet THOMAS), although her place of birth is Bristol, while his is Ireland? Hmmm... will need to think this one over!

1871 Bream
Mark Giffard 33 Bream
Harriet A Giffard 29 Bristol
Elizth Jane Giffard 3 Bream
Geo Janes Giffard 11 months Bream

Name: Ida Gifford
Year of Registration: 1876
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Monmouth (1837-1939)
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 19

1871 Walton On The Hill
William Jones 37 Ireland
Harriet Jones 37 dun {dean}
Harriet Amory 12 neice Lancashire
James Tucker 34

1881
William Jones abt 1834 Ireland Head Walton On Hill, Lancashire
Harriet Jones abt 1833 Yorkshireley, Gloucestershire, England Wife Walton On Hill, Lancashire
Ida M. Giffad abt 1877 Yorkshireley, Gloucestershire, England Niece Walton On Hill, Lancashire

1891
William Jones abt 1833 Ireland Head Walton On The Hill, Lancashire
Harriet Jones abt 1833 York, Gloucestershire, England Wife Walton On The Hill, Lancashire
Ada Gifford abt 1877 York, Gloucestershire, England Niece Walton On The Hill, Lancashire

so there is also a Harriet JONES <nee THOMAS> connection to Yorkley / West Dean to find !

Marriages Sep 1866 (>99%)
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GIFFORD Mark Bristol 6a 168
JONES Harriett A Bristol 6a 168
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With these children?

Record_ID: 4267
Entry_Number: 62
Year: 1873
Month: Mar
Day: 19
Parents_Surname: GIFFORD
Child_Forenames: Millicent Clara
Fathers_Forenames: Mark
Mothers_Forenames: Harriet Ann
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Bream
Occupation: Miner
Officiating_Minister: J F Gosling
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: Sponsers Mark Gifford Harriet Ann Gifford Mary Batten
Notes:
Register_Reference: P57 IN 1/4
Page_Number: 8
Parish_Chapel: Bream
Soundex: G163
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Record_ID: 3985
Entry_Number: 571
Year: 1868
Month: Mar
Day: 22
Parents_Surname: GIFFORD
Child_Forenames: Elizabeth Jane
Fathers_Forenames: Mark
Mothers_Forenames: Harriet Ann
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Bream
Occupation: Miner
Officiating_Minister: Basil A. Galland Curate
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P57 IN 1/3
Page_Number: 72
Parish_Chapel: Bream
Soundex: G163
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Record_ID: 4116
Entry_Number: 706
Year: 1870
Month: Jul
Day: 17
Parents_Surname: GIFFORD
Child_Forenames: George Jones
Fathers_Forenames: Mark
Mothers_Forenames: Harriet Ann
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Lydney Lane
Occupation: Miner
Officiating_Minister: J. F. Gosling
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: Sponsors William Jones Mark Gifford Harriet Ann Gifford
Notes:
Register_Reference: P57 IN 1/3
Page_Number: 89
Parish_Chapel: Bream
Soundex: G163

...and this death?

Deaths Jun 1874 (>99%)
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Gifford Harriet Ann 32 Monmouth 11a 14

Record_ID: 52355
Entry_Number: 820
Year: 1874
Month: Apr
Day: 27
Surname: GIFFORD
Forenames: Harriet Ann
Residence: Bream
Age_at_death: 32
Officiating_Minister: J F Gosling
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P57 IN 1/17
Page_No: 103
Parish_Chapel: Bream
Soundex: G163

Methinks this be yer Jones connection!

Specifically, I am interested in how Ida came to be living with a relative of mine, Harriet (THOMAS) JONES, in Liverpool. Harriet was born in Yorkley in 1837 to William and Priscilla THOMAS; she married an Irish prison warder, William JONES in Clifton in 1863, and when William got a job at Liverpool prison, some time between 1863 and 1871, he and Harriet moved up north. Ida appears on the census with them, age 4 in 1881, 14 in 1891, and 24 in 1901, described as their niece, b.c. 1877 in Yorkley GLS - but I can't work out a connection, so it may be that she wasn't a blood relative?

Ida married James MARTIN at Kirkdale St Mary (Liverpool) in 1905.

Kirsty