Forest of Dean FHT Forum - Abraham WHITE (witness)

Abraham WHITE (witness) (reply)

itzjoolz — Thu, 20 Oct 2011 20:17:05 +0000

LOL Thanks for that I wouldnt have thought of that being White. I think ive found Thomas wife married in 1845 to a Jane Cocks from cundiford! which could be relation to brother James wife Emma Cox. Witness at their wedding 1819 Thomas Simmonds and Susan Simmonds (Nee REICE)OMG!

Still struggling on John Harris and parents

Abraham WHITE (witness) (reply)

m p griffiths — Thu, 20 Oct 2011 19:28:23 +0000

FOD records

Burial at Newnham - 8 June 1831 (c1778)

Abraham WHITE age 53

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Baptism at Blakeney - 17 April 1815

Henry WHITE, parents Abraham & Anne

With so many WAITES and variations of in the FOD - Abraham's surname may evolved from

Marriage at NEWNHAM - 8 October 1809

Abraham WAIT/Sarah HAWKINS

HARRIS/BEACH- (reply)

itzjoolz — Thu, 20 Oct 2011 18:08:54 +0000

Many Thanks for looking that up for me. I am at a total dead end now though

John and Elizabeth Harris.
I belive the marriage is that of John Harris and Elizabeth James 1811 although I could be wrong however witness are Sarah James and Abraham White

cannot find Abraham White at all but Sarah James married John Beach so theres another Beach connection.

Aside from Maria I cannot get any info on the rest of their siblings marrying and no info from the baptisms.

I cannot find baptism for John Harris, there are numerous John Harris and im basing his dob 1786 plus or minus 10 years as I dont belive he knew how old he was when he filled out the census. Elizabeth would be approx 10 years younger than him.

HARRIS/BEACH- (reply)

m p griffiths — Tue, 18 Oct 2011 21:24:58 +0000

Had a quick look for John HARRIS in Ruspidge 1841

? may be this is the family

John HARRIS - 55 - Engineer - all born in County
Maria HARRIS - 14
Thomas HARRIS - 20 - Engineer

not sure where Elizabeth and James were

1841 Census, Dean Forest, Newnham
Two bridges

Elizabeth HARRIS - 45
James HARRIS - 10

HARRIS/BEACH- 1851 Census (reply)

itzjoolz — Tue, 18 Oct 2011 17:05:42 +0000

ok ive got parents as John and Elizabeth dob inconsistant to the census results.
siblings at Blakeney:
Sarah 1814, Thomas 1818, William 1821, Mary Ann 1823,Maria 1827 James 1831
Then James and Emma Cox marriage
siblings
James 1953
Then theres an Elizabeth 1857(On Census) But I think she was a cousin
Belinda 1860
Samuel 1861
John 1864
Alfred 1869
William 1870

Have William George and Annie Reece (marriage 1893) siblings as
William 1898 (died at 8 months) Possibly
George James Samuel 1903
Lavinia 1906
Hedley Enoch 1908
Bernard Morgan 1909
Beatrice Winifred 1916
Edgar Alfred 1918

Some rather large age gaps Im wondering if ive missed some as there was apparently alot of them.

Can some one look up John and Elizabeth Harris up for me on the census please their first born was sarah 1814 I dont think they knew their ages themselves I found a marriage with an Elizabeth James but that was 1811. This cant be the witness at the grandsons wedding can it?????
Thankyou so much for all the help

HARRIS/BEACH- 1851 Census (reply)

m p griffiths — Mon, 17 Oct 2011 19:56:47 +0000

for starters - As James' Mum was from Blakeney - you will find his baptism there 26 June 1831 (FOD records) along with Maria - 18 February 1827

siblings at Blakeney: Sarah 1814, Thomas 1818, William 1821, Mary Ann 1823, James 1831

HARRIS/BEACH- 1851 Census (reply)

itzjoolz — Mon, 17 Oct 2011 17:58:55 +0000

oh wow, thankyou so much. Ive been searching through the inquests and wills
I havent got access to the census

HARRIS/BEACH- 1851 Census (reply)

m p griffiths — Mon, 17 Oct 2011 17:42:33 +0000

Here's the link to the witnesses at the wedding of James HARRIS to Emma COX in 1862

Ruspidge - 1851

John HARRIS, 71, labourer, born Glos
Elizabeth - 60 - born Blakeney
James Harris - 18 - Iron Miner, born Awre
Ephraim BEACH - Visitor, mar - 37 - born Awre
Maria BEACH (nee HARRIS) - Visitor, mar - 24 - born Awre
Elam BEACH - 25
Ann Maria BEACH - 1

Ephraim and Maria on FOD records - marriage at Cinderford St John 13 June 1846

Elizabeth Harris (reply)

Simone — Mon, 17 Oct 2011 17:39:50 +0000

I wonder if witness Elizabeth is grandmother?

1841 census at Newnham
HO107; Piece 364; Book: 5;Folio: 8; Page: 9
Elizabeth Harris 45
James Harris 10

baptism

133918
Entry Number 981
Year 1831
Month Jun
Day 26
Parents Surname HARRIS
Child Forenames James
Fathers Forenames John
Mothers Forenames Elizabeth
Mothers Surname
Residence Forest of Dean
Occupation Labourer
Officiating Minister T Morgan Off[iciatin]g Minister
Event Baptism
Memoranda
Notes Register shows James as dau[ghte]r
Register Reference P50 IN1/1
Page Number 123
Parish Chapel Blakeney

James Harris c 1831 (reply)

Simone — Mon, 17 Oct 2011 17:24:14 +0000

I reckon Samuel is William's brother too :)

1871 census
RG10; Piece: 2600; Folio: 32; Page: 12
all born East Dean
James Harris 39 bNewnham, Collier
Emma Harris 39
James Harris 17
Balenda Harris 12
Samuel Harris 9
John Harris 7
Alfred Harris 2
William Harris 5 Months

marriage for parents

37141
Entry Number 122
Year 1852
Month Nov
Day 13
Grooms Surname HARRIS
Grooms Forenames James
Grooms Age 21
Groom Condition Bachelor
Grooms Occupation Miner
Grooms Residence Ruspidge
Grooms Fathers Surname Harris
Grooms Fathers Forenames John
Grooms Fathers Occupation Labourer
Brides Surname COX
Brides Forenames Emma
Brides Age 21
Brides Condition Spinster
Brides Occupation
Brides Residence Ruspidge
Brides Fathers Surname Cox
Brides Fathers Forenames James
Brides Fathers Occupation Cabinet Maker
Licence or Banns Banns
Date of Banns
Signature or Mark He signs She marks
Witness 1 Mark of Ephraim Beach
Witness 2 Maria Beach
Other Witnesses
Officiating Minister T. G. Smythies
Event Marriage

James HARRIS (reply)

m p griffiths — Mon, 17 Oct 2011 17:19:27 +0000

'locked' previous thread

1861 Census, East Dean, Ruspidge

HARRIS

James - 29 - all born East Dean
Emma - 27
James - 8
Elizabeth - 4
Belinda - 1

1871 Census, Glos East Dean

HARRIS

James - 39 - Collier, Newnham
Emma - 39 - born Glos
James - 17 - Collier East Dean
Balenda - 12
Samuel - 9
John - 7
Alfred - 2
William - 5 months

1881 Census, W-O-S East Dean

James - 49
Emma - 49
James - 27
Samuel - 19
John - 17
William - 10
Thomas - 8
Samuel CASTLE, Board, unmarried, 38, Stone Cutter, born Oxford

James HARRIS probably abt 1845

itzjoolz — Mon, 17 Oct 2011 16:59:59 +0000

Prior Thread http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?mode=entry&id=34072

Im really stuck, ive searched endlessly through the parish records.
Looking for James Harris, father of William George Harris 1870.
witness at the son williams wedding are Samuel and Elizabeth Harris, I was thinking this was another son of James but I cannot find any Samuel or James or Elizabeth (whom may be a harris by marriage)and do not know the name of James wife either.
Can anyone help please.