Forest of Dean FHT Forum - Mary MORGAN 1848 Moorwood ??

Mary MORGAN 1848 Moorwood ?? (reply)

slowhands — Sat, 20 May 2006 02:22:54 +0000

This needs further investigation and certificates ...
however taking the 1871 census and the multiple "wifes", one deduction is that William is married to Mary with young children and living at his parents home. Not unusual , so looking around 1866 for a possible marriage a Mary MORGAN of Moorwood possibly marries a William EVANS. Based on that assumption the following entries need some detective work........

and just why did Sidney gain Morgan as a christian name ???

1841 Moorwood
James Morgan abt 1812 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire Labourer

1851 Lydbrook Tump
James Morgan abt 1817 Lydbrook West Deane, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean Gloucestershire
M Ann Morgan abt 1824 East Dean Hansly Wife East Dean Gloucestershire
John Morgan abt 1850 East Dean Hansly Son East Dean Gloucestershire
M Ann Morgan abt 1844 East Dean Hansly Daughter East Dean Gloucestershire
Marcy Morgan abt 1848 Moorside Foea Daughter East Dean Gloucestershire

1861 Lydbrook
James Morgan abt 1817 Lydnock, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean Gloucestershire
Mary Ann Morgan abt 1823 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean Gloucestershire
James Morgan abt 1852 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Gloucestershire
John Morgan abt 1850 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Gloucestershire
Mary Morgan abt 1848 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean Gloucestershire
George Dean abt 1847 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Nephew West Dean Gloucestershire
Joseph Dean abt 1845 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Nephew West Dean Gloucestershire

Name: William Evans
Year of Registration: 1866
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Monmouth (1837-1939)
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 79

Possible spouse Mary Morgan

Name: Elizabeth Evans
Year of Registration: 1867
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Monmouth (1837-1939)
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 45

Name: Mary Ann Evans
Year of Registration: 1870
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Monmouth (1837-1939)
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 30

Masons Arms, Hausley (reply)

slowhands — Sat, 20 May 2006 01:46:50 +0000

Masons Arms
Hawsley Road
Lydbrook
Gloucestershire
GL17 9SR
Tel: 44 1594 861210

Google Maps
http://maps.google.com/maps?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=DVXA,DVXA:2004-43,D...

for 1880's map centred on Horse Lea / Moor wood / Reddings

http://www.old-maps.co.uk/
co ords 360628,216468

from Gloucestershire Pubs
http://www.easywell.co.uk/pubs/
Masons Arms , Hausley
Hausley is a tiny hamlet towards Joys Green above Central Lydbrook.
The pub is known locally as 'The Bush.’

Map Reference:
Owner in 1891: George Davis (free from brewery tie)
Rateable value in 1891: £18.0s.0d.
Type of licence in 1891: Beerhouse
Owner in 1903: Francis Wintle, Forest Brewery, Mitcheldean
Rateable value in 1903: £18.0s.0d.
Type of licence in 1903: Beerhouse
Closing time in 1903: 10pm
Present status: Still trading
Phone:

Landlords:
1861 John Burton
1881 Abiah Hatton (aged 31)
1891 Isaac Hale (publican and coal miner)
1903 James Brian

William EVANS 1841 Hausley / Reddings (reply)

slowhands — Sat, 20 May 2006 01:33:20 +0000

1881 Hausley Westbury on Severn - East Dean Gloucestershire
William Evans abt 1841 Bicknor W. Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head
Mary Evans abt 1848 E. Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife
Charles Jas. Evans abt 1874 Hausley E. Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son
Milicent M. Evans abt 1876 Hausley E. Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter
Morgan Sid. Evans abt 1880 Hausley E. Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son
William Jn. Evans abt 1872 Hausley E. Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son

1891 Hausley
William Evans abt 1841 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean Gloucestershire
Mary Evans abt 1843 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean Gloucestershire
Charles Evans abt 1875 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire
Frank Evans abt 1885 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire
Levis Evans abt 1883 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire
Millicent Evans abt 1876 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean Gloucestershire
Sydney Evans abt 1879 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire

1901 Reddings
Williams Evans abt 1841 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean Gloucestershire
Mara J [Mary] Evans abt 1854 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean Gloucestershire
Frank Evans abt 1885 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire
Joyce Evans abt 1892 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean Gloucestershire
Sidney Evans abt 1880 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire
Williams Evans abt 1841 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean Gloucestershire

Moorwood / Horse Lea/Pludds (reply)

slowhands — Fri, 19 May 2006 20:15:48 +0000

Distances --- the square containing Moorwood, Horse Lea, High Beech, and out to the Pludds in the east is probably about a mile square....

He probably said "Bicknor" to the census taker - which is the Parish for parts of Lydbrook . The boundary for East and West Dean (here) is the Lyd Brook flowing down to the Wye. The enumerator proabablty added the West Dean to his notes. looking at the image the W abbr. for west looks as though it started as an E, suggesting the enumerator was not sure either !

I've always placed Joys Green, Moorwood, Horse Lea Readings, Pludds etc in East Dean , whilst Anchorberry/Hangerberry, Worral Hill on the other side of the Lyd would be West Dean. Bicknor parish is on the west side ( or at least most of it , as I'm not sure where the parish boundary is - or was in the 1860's).

So my advice is don't be too worried by the West Dean or the Bicknor, it points to the correct area, teh census data is only as good as what was given , and what has been recorded ... my experience is that thats pretty consistent compared to some I have seen :-)

Later census entries tend to support the East Dean / Lydbrook line.

Joseph EVANS and Ann HALE Moorwood / Horse Lea (reply)

Janet Ford — Fri, 19 May 2006 13:23:08 +0000

Thanks for these - it is comforting that you have found the same family on the earlier censuses as I have, so maybe it is right :-) I don't want to claim them until I am certain. I will have to find William and Mary's marriage to be sure, but I haven't had any luck on freebmd.

Something that still puzzles me though, is that on later censuses William Evans gives Bicknor, West Dean as his birthplace. Is this near enough to Moorwood to be a reasonable statement?

Thanks a lot for the censuses :-)

Janet

Joseph EVANS and Ann HALE Moorwood / Horse Lea (reply)

slowhands — Fri, 19 May 2006 12:47:53 +0000

The 1871 Census image is very interesting, the write up of the Census notes seems to have Joseph as a Bigamist , and the entry for dwelling 16 appears again at 18 ( strangely its written almost like 16 )
The "Jovial Colliers" or "Sawyers Arms" might be to blame :-)

1871
Ann Evance abt 1808 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Evance abt 1869 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean Gloucestershire
Joseph Evance abt 1807 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean Gloucestershire
Mary Evance abt 1850 Wife East Dean Gloucestershire
Mary Ann Evance abt 1870 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean Gloucestershire
William Evance abt 1841 East Dean Gloucestershire

Elizabeth Evance abt 1867 Jogs Green, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean Gloucestershire
Joseph Evance abt 1807 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean Gloucestershire
Mary Evance abt 1850 Jogs Green, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean Gloucestershire
Mary Evance abt 1869 Jogs Green, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean Gloucestershire
Mary Ann Evance abt 1809 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean Gloucestershire
William Evance abt 1841 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire

by 1861 things are not so blurred !
Joseph Evans abt 1810 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean Gloucestershire
Ann Evans abt 1811 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean Gloucestershire
John Evans abt 1840 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire
William Evans abt 1843 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire

1851
Joseph Evans abt 1809 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean Gloucestershire
Ann Evans abt 1810 Dymock, Herefordshire, England Wife East Dean Gloucestershire
John Evans abt 1843 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire
William Evans abt 1841 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Hale abt 1768 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Mother-in-law East Dean Gloucestershire

1841 Moorwood
Joseph Evans abt 1811 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
Ann Evans abt 1813 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
Elizabett Evans abt 1837 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
Kezia Evans abt 1833 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
Sarah Evans abt 1835 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
Wm Evans abt 1840 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire

Evans at Hausley

Janet Ford — Fri, 19 May 2006 12:17:27 +0000

EVANS at Hawsley/Hausley/Horse lea

I am researching my ancestors in Hausley, which I have seen
spelt differently at different times as Horsley, Hawsley,
Hausley and Horse lea. It is up the hill from Joys Green,
near Lydbrook. Does anyone know the history of this area?

My gg grandparents were William EVANS b. 1841 (est)
Bicknor, West Dean, Collier
and Mary EVANS b 1848 (est) East Dean.
Children were
William John Evans b. 1872
Charles James Evans b.1874 (my g-grandad)
Millicent M Evans b. 1876
Morgan Sidney Evans b.1879
Lewis Evans b. 1883
Frank Evans b. 1885
Joyce Evans b. 1892

I don't know their marriage date or place, but their first
child (that I know of) was born in 1872.

I have them on the 1881 and 1891 census living 4 entries
away from the Masons Arms, Hausley. On the 1871 there are two families (called Evance) who could be them, with almost exactly the same ages, names and places of birth, living next door-but-one to each other - I wondered if the enumerator could have enumerated them twice?

Does anyone have any information about the Mason's Arms? Family
legend says that our family owned a warehouse behind it at
one time.

A younger son of the family, Morgan Sydney EVANS b. 1879
was said in the family to have been Headmaster of Cinderford
Grammar school. Does anyone have access to the records to
check this?

My Great Uncle, Charles Gough, told me that he had visited family there up to few years ago,who were living at Pludds Farm. I think they were relatives of Joyce Evans. Does anyone know of this farm or this family?

William John Evans and Charles James Evans moved to Kinsley in Yorkshire and settled there.

If anyone can give me any of the above information or any
other about the area and life at the time I would be very
grateful.

Thankyou

Janet Ford (nee Evans)
Sheffield