Forest of Dean FHT Forum - Occupation; Stone Mason/Blacksmith

Occupation; Stone Mason/Blacksmith (reply)

gaynor1 — Wed, 23 Nov 2022 11:08:11 +0000

Hi Diane ,
I have just come across your thread . I am also researching the Haines/Haynes family of the Shirenewton area having been DNA linked to them through at least 2 persons.
I have a concern with Susan's maiden name which I believe is incorrect , in that 1-John & Susan had a daughter MARY baptized on 22ndJune1800 at St Peter's church (where their other children were baptized) , that 2-on the 1851 census Susan states her birth place to be Chepstow , Monmouthshire , and after doing family history now for over 30yrs , I have found that in 90% of marriages the marriage took place at the bride's Parish .
I have found several Susans/Susannahs baptized in the 1770's in Chepstow (not a single Beardsley) whose families I am now researching to see if I can find a family link .

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Diane Ibell — Sat, 08 Jan 2022 03:53:28 +0000

Hi Richard do you have Susannah Beardsley parents? I now have a Edward Beardsley 1759 -1815 & Ann Holmes 1760- 1832. Ann's parents are John Holmes & Ann Hensen 1735 -1832.
Not sure if this is right but it seems to match up.

John Haines 1781 parents I think could be Henry Haynes/Haines & Mary?

Kind Regards
Diane Ibell

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Diane Ibell — Tue, 04 Jan 2022 08:25:02 +0000

Hi Richard, Happy new year to you as well. I haven't done any work on the Haines side for a long time.

Thank you for all your information, I will have to get back into to it.

Please keep in touch, if I find anything out I will be in touch.

kind Regards, stay safe

Diane Ibell

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r haines — Sun, 02 Jan 2022 11:36:50 +0000

Hi Diane, Happy new year.
I'm back on the Haines trail, at least for the time being!
The final bit of your last post was incomplete, but I think it asks for the maiden name of John Haines wife Susannah.
I recently (last week) found a great deal of info. relating to Susanna(h) on Family search (the Mormon web site)
Susanna's maiden name appears to be Beardsley, originally from Ileston in Derbyshire.
It seem that John and Susanna were married there in 1805 and their son John II although born in Devauden,in 1806, was christened in 1816 also in Ilkeston.
The info. on Family Search links back to a Richard Blundeston who married a Haslake in 1450.
So far as John I is concerned, Susanna's husband,I'm still hunting for his parents.
If you come across any lead, I'll be grateful if you would keep me in the loop.
Keep safe and best wishes,
Richard Haines.

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Diane Ibell — Sun, 25 Aug 2019 01:20:59 +0000

Hi Richard, thank you for your information. My link to the Haines family is through Sarah Haines. Sarah is my 2nd Great grandmother she married a William Hayward and they had about 7 children one of them being Esther Selina, who is my Great Grandmother. Esther Selina married James Richard Ibell. They had about 6 children one being Jesse James Ibell who is my grandfather. Jesse married Margaret Blodwen James. They live in Pontypridd. They had 7 children, one being my dad Mervyn Ernest Ibell. Jesse married twice. Violet May Cook and they had Hazel Ibell.

I was also inquiring for another person who contacted me as we had a match through DNA they were looking for information one the Haines family. We were also trying to find Susannah maiden
I need to correct some of the dates and information in my tree.

Kind Regard
Diane Ibell

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r haines — Fri, 23 Aug 2019 11:51:02 +0000

I am looking for any information on a James Haynes/Haines 1840 occupation Blacksmith. I believe he married Harriet Palmer they had 4 children.

James's Father was also James Haynes/Haines occupation Stone Mason I think he was married to a Caroline Gwynell/Gingell.

I think his father was John Haynes/ Haines about 1781

Regards
Diane Ibell

Hi Diane,
I've been tracing my Haines ancestors for some while, just using Freecen, parish records and the LDS website.
My records have James Haines 1816-1849 married to Caroline Gwynell 1819- living in Mynyddbach, Shirenewton, a stonemason and their children, James 1840 Sarah 1842, Elijah 1844-1847,Susannah 1846-, Abraham 1847.
James father was John Haines Snr. 1774 and mother Susanna !773 living at Devauden green.
John Haines was a stonemason and the owner of land in Devauden and also a tenant of lands of His Grace the Duke of Beaufort (Welsh tythe Maps 1841). He also owned the Masons Arms,(see Web site) Devauden Green around 1800
John Jnr.,married Ann James and had several children, one of whom was Oliver 1842-1900, listed and known to be a stonemason (I think most of the family were) living at Mynyddbach. One of his children was Arthur, my grandfather 1872-1937. His son, my father
together with two daughters were born at Mynyddbach
I hope this will give some encouragement. Also be interested to know if you are connected.
Best wishes Richard Haines,Cowbridge,Vale of Glamorgan

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Diane Ibell — Sat, 17 Aug 2019 12:17:57 +0000

Thank you for all your help I will check it all out

Regards

Diane

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Diane Ibell — Sat, 17 Aug 2019 12:17:04 +0000

Thank you for your help i will check them out

Regards
Diane

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Jefff — Fri, 16 Aug 2019 22:38:59 +0000

Hi Diane,
The Littledean trade directory for 1894 includes James Haines, blacksmith.
http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~cbennett/genealogy/littledean1894.htm

Harriet's father John Palmer, tailor of Littledean Rd Newnham, is in these Newnham editions from 1842 and 1876.

http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~cbennett/genealogy/newnham1842.htm

http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~cbennett/genealogy/newnham1876.htm

These and several other FoD directories may be found here;
http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~cbennett/genealogy/index.htm

I see a Mrs Catherine Palmer is listed within the Nobility/Gentry section of the 1842 Newnham directory; I wonder if this could be a relation ?

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This Shirenewton directory for 1895 includes Oliver Haines, jobbing mason of Mynyddbch;
another relative perhaps ?
http://places.wishful-thinking.org.uk/MON/ShireNewton/index.html

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MPGriffiths — Fri, 16 Aug 2019 09:31:09 +0000

As Jas & Caroline, named a daughter Susannah

1841, Census, Monmouthshire, Newchurch, District 8 - page 12 of 12

Newchurch East

HAINES

John - 60 - Mason - all born in County
Susannah - 58
William - 15
William Lewis - 8 months
Eliza BUCKLAND - 12 Female Servant

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Baptisms at Newchurch

20 June 1806, Thomas HEYNS, parents: John & Susan

26 Aug 1810, Sarah HAYNES, parents: Joh & Susannah

20 Sept 1812, Anne HEYNES, parents: John & Susanna

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Probate

John HAINES, 27 January 1862

of John HAINES, late of Devauden in the Parish of Newchurch East, in the County of Monmouth, Yeoman deceased who died 24 January 1860 at Devauden aforesaid was proved at Llandaff by the oath of William HAINES in the parish of Matherne in the said County MASON the Son the sole Executor

1861 Census, Matherne, Monmouthshire

William HAINES (Harries on Ancestry)

William - 42 born Devauden, Monmouthshire (occupation: Mason)
Hannah - 45
Audi - 8
William James - 6
Charlotte Susannah - 4 (GRO Index, Charlotte Susannah HAYNES - 1856, Chepstow, mother's maiden name: ANTHONY)
William LEWIS -21 - nephew, occuapation, Mason
William Llewellyn - 74
Mary Ann DAVIS - 17

1851 Wales Census, Monmouthshire, Matherne

Dwlme....

William Anthony - 70 Farm labourer
Hannah ANTHONY - 67 - wife
William HAINS - Lodger, 35 - 20 yrs of age Stone Mason, born Monmoutshire, Newchurch
Hannah JAINES - mar - 35 - born Monmouthshire Matherne

etc
etc

Marriage at Llanfihangel Pontymoile

Hannah ANTHONY of this parish, Spinster, FA
father: William ANTHONY, labourer

William HAINES, occupation: Mason, Bachelor, FA
father: John HAINES, Mason

witnesses: John LEE and Ann PHILLIPS

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MPGriffiths — Fri, 16 Aug 2019 08:59:00 +0000

There is a little information of another Public Members Tree

James HAYNES 1817-1847 - married Caroline GWYNELL/GINGELL/GWINNEL

Baptisms at Shirenewton

parents: Jas (occupation: Mason) and Caroline HAYNES

30 August 1840 : Jas : residence: Shirenewton

3 April 1842 : Sarah : residence: Shirenewton

4 November 1844: Eljah : residence: Mynydd Bach

25 February 1846

Susannah HAINES, parents: Jas & Caroline, residence: Mynydd Bach

28 September 1847

HAYNES, Abraham, parents: Jas & Caroline,residence: Mynydd Bach

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However, the 1841, Census, Shire Newton listed as MAYNES

MAYNES

James - 24 - born in County
Caroline - 21 - not born in Count
Caroline - 1
Elizah GRINOL 13

1851 Census, Mynydd Bach

Caroline HAYNES - Head, Widow, aged 29, Drefs Maker, born Glos Estlington?
James - son 10 - Scholar at School born Mon. Shirenewton
Sarah - dau 8
Abraham - 3

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Marriage at Shirenewton - 27 Sept 1839

Caroline GWYNELL - otp - Spinster - aged 20
Jas HAYNES - Mason - otp - Bachelor - FA

Bride's father: Wm GWYNELL - labr

Groom's father: John HAYNES - Mason

witnesses: Abraham BAKER and Lucy YEATES

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Burial at Shirenewton, 25 September 1849

Jas HAYNES, aged 35 - residence: Mynnyddbach

= c 1814

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MPGriffiths — Fri, 16 Aug 2019 07:57:21 +0000

Assume you have checked the Forest of Dean records etc

There is also a Public Member's Tree on Ancestry (but little info)

Marriage at Newnham

24 December 1865

James HAYNES, Bachelor, full age, Blacksmith, residence: Newnham

father: James HAYNES, occupation : Mason

Harriet PALMER, Spinster, full age, residence: Newnham

father: John PALMER, occupation: Taylor

witnesses: John PALMER and Esther GINGELL

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Then is you use the records to check for children of James & Harriet baptisms - you have a Little Dean

HAYNES Ann Eliza - 1866 (Buried at Newnham 8 November 1866 - an Infant)
HAINES Mary - 1867
HAINES John James - 1868

HAINES, William Henry - 11 December 1870 at Littledean, Independent, born, 21 November 1870 -
James occupation, Blalcksmith, residence: Broad Street, Litttledean, Glos

HAINES Alfred Thomas - 1883
HAINES Maude Louisa - 1886
HAINES Elizabeth Harriet PALMER - 1888

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1871 Census, Little Dean (Ancestry has HARNES)

HARNES

James 28 (Ancestry has 28 and 38)
Harriet 27
John 2
William - 4 months

1881 Census, Little Dean

Toldens?

HAINES

James, aged 39, Blacksmith shoeing smith, born Shire Newton, Mon
Harriet - 38 - born Newnham
John James - son - aged 12, Blacksmith, born Littledean
Wm Henry - 10 - Scholar, born Littledean
Florence Ellen - da- aged 2 - born Yorkley

1891 Census, Little Dean

HAINES

James - 48, Blacksmith, born Shire Newton, Mon
Harriet - 46
William - 20 Haulier
Florence E - 12
Maude L - 5
Elizabeth 3
John PARTRIDGE, Servant, Blacksmith, born Monmonthshire, Monmouth

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Diane Ibell — Fri, 16 Aug 2019 07:52:12 +0000

I am looking for any information on a James Haynes/Haines 1840 occupation Blacksmith. I believe he married Harriet Palmer they had 4 children.

James's Father was also James Haynes/Haines occupation Stone Mason I think he was married to a Caroline Gwynell/Gingell.

I think his father was John Haynes/ Haines about 1781

Regards
Diane Ibell