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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So according to the 1939 census : Thomas FLANNERY was born 10 April 1891.</p>
<p>Await the 1921 Census - or an Irish Birth Certificate !</p>
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<p>On the marriage 23 December 1916</p>
<p>Thomas FLANNERY aged 25 (c1891) - father's name<strong> Martin FLANNERY, Farmer</strong></p>
<p>to</p>
<p>Grace WHITE etc</p>
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<p>The death - 28 August 1919 of Thomas FLANNERY - Service No. 24205 - says he was the son of<strong> Thomas FLANNERY of Galway, </strong>husband of Grace Flannery, of 20 Camden Road, London.</p>
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<p>Ancestry Ireland, Census 1901</p>
<p>Thomas FLANNERY, birth about 1891, father: <strong>Martin,</strong> mother, Anne</p>
<p>residence: 31 March 1901, Foats or Levallynearl portion of Aughrim Aughrim Galway Ireland 10</p>
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Can't open the census, but here's the family</p>
<p>Martin FLANNERY - 60<br />
Anne - 30<br />
Maria - 16<br />
Thomas - 10<br />
Julia - 7<br />
Michael - 5<br />
Rose - 4<br />
Bridget (no age)</p>
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Again, Ireland, Census 1901</p>
<p>?</p>
<p>Gorteeny, Drummin, GALWAY</p>
<p>FLANNERY</p>
<p>Thomas 45<br />
Bridget 35<br />
John 15<br />
Michael 13<br />
Mary 12<br />
Thomas 10<br />
Patrick 9<br />
Bridget 7<br />
John HICKEY 5<br />
James 1</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The following entry appears in the 1939 Register:</p>
<p>122 Offord Road, Islington, London, England<br />
Flannery household<br />
(4 people)<br />
First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number <br />
Thomas Flannery 10 Apr 1891 Male Gen Builders Laboure Married 216 1<br />
Grace Flannery (Hardwick) 27 Nov 1896 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 216 2<br />
Elsie (E Grace May) Burrows (Flannery) 11 Mar 1922 Female Messenger Girl Single 216 3<br />
The record for this person is officially closed.</p>
<p>The evidence attached to the death of Thomas Flannery in 1919 appears sufficient to tells us that Grace lost her husband yet we have Thomas again in 1939 and the birth index entry for Elsie Grace May tells us that her mother's maiden name is WHITE. </p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Heather<br />
I know I have come into this debate quite late on but I thought you might like to know that the Vicar and Congregation at Christchurch Parish, Forest of Dean (where Thomas is buried) is planning an event to coincide with the 100th anniversary of the commencement of the war 1914-1919 in the church this coming August (2014).  I am helping to put together some of this information some of which includes army papers etc for Thomas Flannery.<br />
Could I suggest you keep an eye on the local press etc., nearer the time as this might be of some value both to you as a seeker and others who might be interested in the whole subject of WW1.<br />
Regards<br />
Chris Howell</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thats fine Heather, no harm done but thanks for your post.</p>
<p>Re you suggesting there being two Thomas' in Joyford; yes this is possible altho your mention of one also being referred to as Martin is interesting and deserves further investigation/understanding.  However I must say I'd got the impression from your posts, sorry if I'm wrong, that as Alfred was born (or at least registered..?) in London then that was the area we were looking at - hence my speculative post yesterday which I hope was of some help to you.</p>
<p>May I ask in what record the name Martin appears, this seems important to me ?. In my FH travels I've seen people's forenames apparently change thro time, I dont think it was that unusual, sometimes for convenience wrt children. This also occurred if a son was Christened &quot;as usual&quot; with their traditional family name, perhaps Thomas in your case, yet in subsequent Census forms etc it was clear they normally used his second name presumably to avoid confusion with the elder Thomas or even Thomases already within the family. This practice even reflects some foreign cultures, albeit coincidentally; when at Polytechnic I found some Arabs will have several names, but no &quot;set&quot; first name, sometimes they varied wrt which name they used, I recall some confusion when students returned for another year in the course but registered under a different combination of the same names !</p>
<p>I've also seen examples of men clearly baptised with a particular single Christian name; yet later in life they &quot;suddenly&quot; also adopt another middle name. In my case our Harry was baptised, married and buried a Harry, these PRs being echoed by the various Civic Registrations. However during the 1911 Census he &quot;suddenly&quot; also adopted his father's name as a second name, which was the family's traditional one to boot.  We have no idea why this happened, it wasn't to remember a recent bereavement for example, his father being alive &amp; well.  In our case we wonder if Harry knew (at the 1911 Census) he'd be joining the Army before war broke out and perhaps was worried about his future in the trenches so wanted to somehow reflect his father's name, altho thankfully he survived the war. Unlikely but perhaps possible too, we just don't know ???</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi jeff</p>
<p>This is so very kind of you I really appreciate it. I fully understand that requesting information about living people is not the right thing to do and I will not persue that line of enquiry, I just didnt think sorry! I was so pleased that people on your forum had given me information i forget to draw the line. <br />
I did notice that Thomas Flannery's father in one record was Martin and in another record Thomas so there is a possibility of there being two Thomas Flannery's in Joyford - a little strange I know but worth persuing.</p>
<p>Thanks for taking the time onve again<br />
Heather</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Heather,<br />
thanks for your message, we're only too pleased to try and help.<br />
Are you a subscriber of Ancestry or suchlike ?. I'm not but I can still run a free search. Hopefully this link will take you to the results, if not you can search yourself of course.<br />
<a href="http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?gl=ROOT_CATEGORY&amp;rank=1&amp;new=1&amp;so=3&amp;MSAV=0&amp;msT=1&amp;gss=ms_f-2_s&amp;gsfn=thomas&amp;gsln=flannery&amp;sbo=0&amp;uidh=dv7&amp;mssng0=grace&amp;mssns0=white">http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?gl=ROOT_CATEGORY&amp;rank=1&amp;new=1&amp;...</a></p>
<p>These marriage results shows that altho the name Thomas Flannery is not at all rare country/world wide (altho not a typical Forest name), and there are a few Flannery/White marriages around the UK (tho White is relatively commonplace I think), it only suggests ONE to a GRACE White.</p>
<p>This single Record is reflected within the FreeBMD results, which altho don't cover the whole UK arepretty true for our region:</p>
<p>Surname  First name(s)  Spouse  District  Vol  Page  <br />
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Marriages Dec 1916   (&gt;99%)<br />
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Flannery  Thomas  White  Monmouth  11a 33    <br />
White  Grace  Flannery  Monmouth  11a 33    </p>
<p><a href="http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl">http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl</a></p>
<p>Even before seeing these results, I too find it hard to believe there were two such marriages, if so why wern't they apparently recorded ?. It seems even more unlikely there were two within the same Regiment, altho I'm unsure as to why you think this a possibility. </p>
<p>Re-searching the CWGC site shows a few Thomas Flannery casualties. Repeating the above free search on Ancestry's &quot;Military&quot; section shows sets of WW1 Records for several Thomas Flannerys. If you have access, either as a subscriber or from a public library, you might like to try and read all these records. Some of them (ie Pension/Service Records where available) will carry more detail including next of kin, so this is a way you MIGHT find out if there's more than one Thomas/White marriage or other family link. However this is a long shot I think. </p>
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<p><br />
Would Grace &amp; her Flannery inlaws in London have been very religious, I don't know but if they were strong Catholics would that affect whether Grace would/could re-marry soon after 1919 ?.  I've seen a few cases of WW1 war-widows who do re-marry into the same family (indeed Grace did in later life), sometimes as a marriage of platonic companionship or perhaps more than this especially if between young friends, neighbours or even cousins ?...    <br />
I GUESS if living in postwar Holborn MAYBE life was tough and the extended family were living in quite close proximity ?.... Alfred could have been born out of wedlock, and possibly the father's name on the Certificate is an attempt by Grace to maintain &quot;respectability&quot; etc if only to remember Thomas's name to the baby Alfred, it wouldnt be the first birth certificate to contain slight untruths. </p>
<p>To me it seems equally possible that Alfred's father was another Thomas Flannery, it was clearly a popular/common name at that time and perhaps especially within their local &quot;Irish&quot; community #. Could Grace have been living with her father-in-law, also Thomas it seems. I don't know, was he still alive in 1926, if so where ??. I ask as I've seen cases where widowed mothers move-in with their equally bereaved father-in-laws, in fact they could already have been living under the same roof while Thomas was away in the Army. In some cases such people become more than companions, &quot;like father like son&quot; perhaps...  </p>
<p># pure speculation maybe ?, but communities amd families did stick together as we know, particularly in very difficult times such as post WW1. I've lived in Greater London since the mid80s and know the Irish traditionally stick together and why not of course, but I'm sure you have a much better idea as to whether these circumstances are likely for Grace way back when ?. I'm sure whatever she did was in the best interests of herself and her young family. Hopefully you know her circumstances better than I can guess, such as when &amp; why she eventually found herself back in the Forest, maybe back to her White family; this may hold some clues.<br />
I've tried searching FreeBMD &amp; Ancestry for Elsie &amp; Alfred to get an idea of their adult lives &amp; localities, I presume you've done this too and with hopefully more luck than me. Ancestry does have a private members tree for Alfred, apparently with Leicester links, if not already your tree perhaps they're worth contacting.</p>
<p>Anyhow, enough of my speculation, I do hope at least some of it is of interest or even help, and wish you well in your search.</p>
<p>atb J</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thankyou for taking the trouble to answer my request and for looking up the information you gave me.<br />
I believe that Grace White / Flannery moved to Holborn in London prior to my father and his sister being born. I am trying to find someone who may have known her to find out why my dad and his sister's father (supposedly Thomas Flannery)name on their birth certificate 6 years after his supposed to have died. I am having trouble believing that Grace could have married another Thomas Flannery. The other option is that there were two Thomas Flannery's in the Lancashire fusiliers married to a Grace White. <br />
Any help would be appreciated. I will try the papers as you suggested<br />
Thank you so much<br />
regards heather</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Slowhands &amp; welcome back, if you've been on holiday I hope it went very well.</p>
<p>Searching the Council Cemeteries website I see some of the Hardwicks buried at Mile End are from the Coleford area, possible family members perhaps ?. These include William &amp; Harry's brother James:</p>
<p>Burial enquiry<br />
Cemetery Mile End <br />
Grave Ref C100 215  <br />
Name HARDWICK James Henry  <br />
Age 70 years  <br />
Address 68 Park Road,  <br />
 Christchurch,  <br />
 Coleford.  <br />
Date of Death 21st August 1977  <br />
Date of Burial 26th August 1977  <br />
Place of Death Gloucester Royal Hospital  <br />
Officiating Minister </p>
<p>From: <a href="http://www.fdean.gov.uk/nqcontent.cfm?a_id=6707&amp;tt=graphic&amp;externalurl=www.fdean.gov.uk/cemeteries/NQcemRedirSrcLis.asp">http://www.fdean.gov.uk/nqcontent.cfm?a_id=6707&amp;tt=graphic&amp;externalurl=www.fdea...</a></p>
<p>It's possible the address may still be within the Hardwick family, Heather may consider following this possible lead.</p>
<p><br />
From the same address, perhaps descended from Jessie b1871 ?.</p>
<p>Burial enquiry<br />
Cemetery Mile End <br />
Grave Ref C100 &quot; <br />
Name HARDWICK Ida Jessie  <br />
Age 68 years  <br />
Address 68 Park Road,  <br />
 Berry Hill.  <br />
Date of Death 29th May 1978  <br />
Date of Burial 3rd June 1978  <br />
Place of Death Gloucestershire Royal Hospital  <br />
Officiating Minister Rev. Chambers.  </p>
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I can find no Flannery names on that site. Could this suggest that side of the family have moved on, perhaps back to Lancashire/Liverpool and even Galway. Or perhaps more likely to London, there's long been a strong Irish prescence in the Camden &amp; Holborn areas as per the above Records. That said, GlosBMD do have some more recent Flannery records, most out of the Forest except this one:</p>
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Marriage Details:</p>
<p>Groom Surname Groom Forename Bride Surname Bride Forename District Parish Building   Year Register Entry <br />
FLANNERY Philip Marc MEEK Lucinda Carol Forest of Dean Abenhall St Michael  1987 1 341 <br />
<a href="http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/bmd/SimpleSearch.aspx">http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/bmd/SimpleSearch.aspx</a></p>
<p>Again I suggest the newspaper archives may be worth searching, these prior threads may help you wrt FoD papers, I do hope so.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=34114">http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=34114</a><br />
<a href="http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=41195">http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=41195</a><br />
(please note ALL subsequent posts on the second thread)</p>
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Good luck with your researches Heather.</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I am looking for information regarding my grandmother Grace White who born in Joyford/Coleford in 1896. She married Thomas Flannery in 1916 and they had a daughter Edith Elsie in 1918. It appears that Thomas Flannery died in 1919 at the age of 28 and is buried in Joyford. However Elsie had two further children one of which was my father Alfred born 1924 whose fathers name on his birth certificate is Thomas Flannery which cannot be correct unless I have wrong information about his father. If there is anyone who knew the White / Flannery / Hardwick families and has any information that would help me sort this out could you please let me know.</p>
<p>I have Grace White / Flannery as having married Mr Hardwick between 1950 - 1965 if any one has information about this marraige I would really appreciate it if you could let me know.</p>
<p>Kind regards<br />
Heather Blockley</p>
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Filling some gaps</p>
<blockquote><blockquote><blockquote><p>The 3 siblings appear to be :-</p>
</blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><p>Edith G Flannery Jul-Aug-Sep 1918 Monmouth Wales  <br />
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Elsie G M Flannery Jan-Feb-Mar 1922 Holborn London  </p>
<p>Alfred J Flannery Oct-Nov-Dec 1924 Holborn London </p>
<blockquote><blockquote><p>GRACE'S death</p>
</blockquote></blockquote><p>Name:Grace Hardwick <br />
Birth Date:27 Nov 1896 <br />
Date of Registration:Mar 1976 <br />
Age at Death:79 <br />
Registration District:Gloucester <br />
Inferred County:Gloucestershire <br />
Volume:22 <br />
Page:2421 </p>
<blockquote><blockquote><p>HARDWICK family</p>
</blockquote></blockquote><p>1881<br />
George Hardwick abt 1829 N K, Hereford, England Head West Dean, Gloucestershire   <br />
Mary Hardwick  abt 1842 N K, Wiltshire, England Wife West Dean, Gloucestershire  <br />
Rosa Hardwick abt 1863 Berry Hill, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire  <br />
Jesse Hardwick  abt 1866 Berry Hill, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire  <br />
James Hardwick abt 1870 Berry Hill, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire  <br />
 Emma Hardwick  abt 1872 Berry Hill, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire  <br />
Ada Hardwick  abt 1873 Berry Hill, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire  <br />
Frederick Hardwick abt 1877 Berry Hill, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire  <br />
Florence Hardwick abt 1879 Berry Hill, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire </p>
<p>Year: 1909 <br />
Month: Jun <br />
Day: 3 <br />
Parents_Surname: HARDWICK <br />
Child_Forenames: William George <br />
Fathers_Forenames: Frederick <br />
Mothers_Forenames: Annie <br />
Mothers_Surname:  <br />
Residence: Ninewells <br />
Occupation: Collier <br />
Officiating_Minister: C Barnes <br />
Event: Baptism <br />
Memoranda: Born Jun 24 1904 <br />
Notes:  <br />
Register_Reference: P82 IN 1/6 <br />
Page_Number: 10 <br />
Parish_Chapel: Christchurch </p>
<p><br />
Year: 1909 <br />
Month: Jun <br />
Day: 2 <br />
Parents_Surname: HARDWICK <br />
Child_Forenames: Harry Lewis <br />
Fathers_Forenames: Frederick <br />
Mothers_Forenames: Annie <br />
Mothers_Surname:  <br />
Residence: Ninewells <br />
Occupation: Collier <br />
Officiating_Minister: C Barnes <br />
Event: Baptism <br />
Memoranda: Born May 25 1908 <br />
Notes:  <br />
Register_Reference: P82 IN 1/6 <br />
Page_Number: 10 <br />
Parish_Chapel: Christchurch </p>
<p><br />
1911 The Mire Coleford Glos<br />
Frederick Hardwick 34 <br />
Annie Hardwick 36 <br />
Frederick John Hardwick 10 <br />
William George Hardwick 37 <br />
James Henry Hardwick 5 <br />
Harry Leuis Hardwick 3 <br />
Sydney Charles Hardwick  1</p>
<p><br />
Name:Harry L Hardwick <br />
Birth Date:abt 1908 <br />
Date of Registration:Sep 1960 <br />
Age at Death:52 <br />
Registration District:Gloucester City <br />
Inferred County:Gloucestershire <br />
Volume:7b <br />
Page:361</p>
<p>Name:William George Hardwick <br />
Birth Date:24 Jun 1904 <br />
Date of Registration:Jun 1991 <br />
Age at Death:87 <br />
Registration District:Forest of Dean <br />
Inferred County:Gloucestershire <br />
Volume:22 <br />
Page:1734</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Heather, welcome to the forum.<br />
Please note that altho we are a friendly helpful bunch and will try our best to help, your enquiry is entering an area we prefer to avoid namely searching possibly living people.<br />
Hopefully you've read these guidelines, from the &quot;please read before posting&quot; post at top of the forum.<br />
<a href="http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?mode=thread&amp;id=10668">http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?mode=thread&amp;id=10668</a></p>
<p>For thread completeness &amp; to maybe help other readers now or in the future, here are the various PRs you mention.</p>
<p>Record_ID: 173205 <br />
Entry_Number: 182 <br />
Year: 1896 <br />
Month: Dec <br />
Day: 30 <br />
Parents_Surname: WHITE <br />
Child_Forenames: Grace <br />
Fathers_Forenames: Benjamin <br />
Mothers_Forenames: Lucy <br />
Mothers_Surname:  <br />
Residence: Joyford South[?] West Dean <br />
Occupation: Collier <br />
Officiating_Minister: J W Jacob <br />
Event: Baptism <br />
Memoranda: Born 1896 Nov 27 <br />
Notes:  <br />
Register_Reference: D2598/3/5 <br />
Page_Number: 23 <br />
Parish_Chapel: West Dean Methodist <br />
Soundex: W300 </p>
<p>Record_ID: 82012 <br />
Entry_Number: 6 <br />
Year: 1916 <br />
Month: Dec <br />
Day: 23 <br />
Grooms_Surname: FLANNERY <br />
Grooms_Forenames: Thomas <br />
Grooms_Age: 25 <br />
Groom_Condition: Bachelor <br />
Grooms_Occupation: Collier <br />
Grooms_Residence: Ripon <br />
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Flannery <br />
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: Martin <br />
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Farmer <br />
Brides_Surname: WHITE <br />
Brides_Forenames: Grace <br />
Brides_Age: 21 <br />
Brides_Condition: Spinster <br />
Brides_Occupation:  <br />
Brides_Residence: Christchurch <br />
Brides_Fathers_Surname: White <br />
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Benjamin <br />
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Collier <br />
Licence_or_Banns: Banns <br />
Date_of_Banns:  <br />
Signature_or_Mark: Both Sign <br />
Witness_1: Benjamin White <br />
Witness_2: Agnes Gleeson <br />
Other_Witnesses:  <br />
Officiating_Minister: C Barnes <br />
Event: Marriage <br />
Memoranda:  <br />
Notes:  <br />
Register_Reference: P52 IN 1/8 <br />
Page_Number: 3 <br />
Parish_Chapel: Christchurch <br />
Soundex_Groom: F456 <br />
Soundex_Bride: W300 </p>
<p>As you say sadly Thomas was yet another casualty of WW1;<br />
Record_ID: 263421 <br />
Entry_Number:  <br />
Year: 1919 <br />
Month: Sep <br />
Day: 1 <br />
Surname: FLANNERY <br />
Forenames: Thomas <br />
Residence:  <br />
Age_at_death: 28 <br />
Officiating_Minister: C Barnes <br />
Event: Burial <br />
Cause_of_death:  <br />
Memoranda: d at Nottingham Gen Hosp <br />
Notes: NP <br />
Register_Reference: P82 IN 1/16 <br />
Page_No: 13 <br />
Parish_Chapel: Christchurch <br />
Soundex: F456 </p>
<p>This prior thread mentions him; Pte 24205 Thomas FLANNERY, Lancashire Fusiliers.<br />
<a href="http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=18629">http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=18629</a></p>
<p>From the CWGC website:<br />
<span style="color:#030;"><br />
FLANNERY, THOMAS<br />
Rank:Private<br />
Service No:24205<br />
Date of Death:28/08/1919<br />
Age:28<br />
Regiment/Service:Lancashire Fusiliers, transf. to (584202) 410th Agricultural Coy, Labour Corps.<br />
Grave Reference <br />
Cemetery FOREST OF DEAN (CHRIST CHURCH) CHURCHYARD<br />
Additional Information:<br />
Son of Thomas Flannery, of Galway; husband of Grace Flannery, of 20, Camden Rd., London.<br />
</span><br />
<a href="http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/4028930/FLANNERY,%20THOMAS">http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/4028930/FLANNERY,%20THOMAS</a></p>
<p>Only a minority of the CWGC entries carry additional notes such as these, they can be very helpful.</p>
<p><br />
One hopes he got to see his children, one of which was;</p>
<p>Record_ID: 332427 <br />
Entry_Number: 283 <br />
Year: 1918 <br />
Month: Aug <br />
Day: 11 <br />
Parents_Surname: FLANNERY <br />
Child_Forenames: Edith Grace <br />
Fathers_Forenames: Thomas <br />
Mothers_Forenames: Grace <br />
Mothers_Surname:  <br />
Residence: Joyford <br />
Occupation: Private Lancashire Fusiliers <br />
Officiating_Minister: C Barnes <br />
Event: Baptism <br />
Memoranda: Born Jul 17 1918 <br />
Notes:  <br />
Register_Reference: P82 IN 1/6 <br />
Page_Number: 36 <br />
Parish_Chapel: Christchurch <br />
Soundex: F456 </p>
<p>Record_ID: 82157 <br />
Entry_Number: 51 <br />
Year: 1936 <br />
Month: Aug <br />
Day: 1 <br />
Grooms_Surname: WILLIAMS <br />
Grooms_Forenames: Wyndham <br />
Grooms_Age: 23 <br />
Groom_Condition: Bachelor <br />
Grooms_Occupation: Tin Plate Worker <br />
Grooms_Residence: Redbrook Glos <br />
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Williams <br />
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: John <br />
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Retired <br />
Brides_Surname: FLANNERY <br />
Brides_Forenames: Edith Grace <br />
Brides_Age: 18 <br />
Brides_Condition: Spinster <br />
Brides_Occupation:  <br />
Brides_Residence: Joyford <br />
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Flannery <br />
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Tom <br />
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Deceased <br />
Licence_or_Banns: Banns <br />
Date_of_Banns:  <br />
Signature_or_Mark: Both sign <br />
Witness_1: D Richards <br />
Witness_2: J Gallagher <br />
Other_Witnesses:  <br />
Officiating_Minister: Wyndham Jones <br />
Event: Marriage <br />
Memoranda:  <br />
Notes:  <br />
Register_Reference: P82 IN 1/9 <br />
Page_Number: 26 <br />
Parish_Chapel: Christchurch <br />
Soundex_Groom: W452 <br />
Soundex_Bride: F456 </p>
<p><br />
(I assume when you mention Elsie having further children you mean Grace).</p>
<p>Searching &quot;recent&quot; births is difficult within this and other sites for the reasons mentioned earlier, the PRs are not made public. I recommend you use the &quot;advanced search&quot; feature for baptisms, at bottom of the PR search page. <br />
<a href="http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?mode=page&amp;id=22">http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?mode=page&amp;id=22</a></p>
<p>Using this I've just searched, for example, the whole database (many many thousands of PRs), just searching for all Alfreds with father Thomas baptised post 1919, I couldnt see yours. Similarly for all children mothered by Grace White. Further more intensive searching using similar inputs on your part may produce better results. </p>
<p><br />
As well as this site the Glos Archives site may be very usefull and is easily searched, unlike this PR (Church Record) based site it also includes Registry Office records, and sometimes more recent than this FoD site.<br />
<a href="http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/bmd/SimpleSearch.aspx">http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/bmd/SimpleSearch.aspx</a></p>
<p>From this GlosBMD site you can find this marriage;</p>
<p>Marriage Details</p>
<p>Groom Surname Groom Forename Bride Surname Bride Forename District Parish Building   Year Register Entry <br />
HARDWICK Harry Lewis WHITE Grace Forest of Dean West Dean Christchurch  1953 5 49 <br />
HARDWICK Harry Lewis FLANNERY Grace Forest of Dean West Dean Christchurch  1953 5 49 </p>
<p><br />
and then;</p>
<p>Marriage Details</p>
<p>Groom Surname Groom Forename Bride Surname Bride Forename District Parish Building   Year Register Entry <br />
HARDWICK William George HARDWICK Grace Forest of Dean West Dean Christchurch  1961 6 26 <br />
HARDWICK William George WHITE Grace Forest of Dean West Dean Christchurch  1961 6 26 </p>
<p>I guess William &amp; Harry were maybe brothers ? <br />
Searching local newspapers may well find this Marriage &amp; possibly more detail.</p>
<p>I hope this helps start you off and I'll try and post more later (albeit only within this sites guidelines wrt &quot;living relatives&quot;.</p>
<p>atb J</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am looking for information regarding my grandmother Grace White who born in Joyford/Coleford in 1896. She married Thomas Flannery in 1916 and they had a daughter Edith Elsie in 1918. It appears that Thomas Flannery died in 1919 at the age of 28 and is buried in Joyford. However Elsie had two further children one of which was my father Alfred born 1924 whose fathers name on his birth certificate is Thomas Flannery which cannot be correct unless I have wrong information about his father. If there is anyone who knew the White / Flannery / Hardwick families and has any information that would help me sort this out could you please let me know.</p>
<p>I have Grace White / Flannery as having married Mr Hardwick between 1950 - 1965 if any one has information about this marraige I would really appreciate it if you could let me know.</p>
<p>Kind regards<br />
Heather Blockley</p>
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<title>Benjamin WHITE  1871 Joyford</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1911 Coleford<br />
Lydney John Highley 30<br />
Catherine Highley32<br />
Violet Highley 6<br />
Myrtle Jean Highley 1<br />
Grace White 14 Joyford Servant</p>
<p>1901 Joyford  Lonk<br />
Benjamin White abt 1871  West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head  West Dean  Monmouthshire   <br />
 Lucy White abt 1876  West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife  West Dean  Monmouthshire <br />
 Grace White abt 1897  West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter  West Dean  Monmouthshire   <br />
Arthur White abt 1899  West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son  West Dean  Monmouthshire<br />
Bertie White abt 1900  West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son  West Dean  Monmouthshire  </p>
<p>Name: Lucy Greatley<br />
Name: Benjamin White <br />
Year of Registration: 1895  <br />
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun  <br />
District: Monmouth (1837-1939)  <br />
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire  <br />
Volume: 11a  <br />
Page: 39  </p>
<p>1891<br />
 William White abt 1844 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head  West Dean  Gloucestershire  <br />
 Eliza White abt 1849 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife  West Dean  Gloucestershire   <br />
Albert E White abt 1888 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son  West Dean  Gloucestershire   <br />
 Amos White abt 1874 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son  West Dean  Gloucestershire   <br />
 Annie E White abt 1876 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter  West Dean  Gloucestershire   <br />
Benjamin White abt 1871 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son  West Dean  Gloucestershire   <br />
Ellen A White abt 1879 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter  West Dean  Gloucestershire   <br />
   <br />
1881 Joyford Hill<br />
William White abt 1845 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head  West Dean  Gloucestershire  <br />
Eliza White abt 1849 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife  West Dean  Gloucestershire   <br />
Amos White abt 1874 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son  West Dean  Gloucestershire   <br />
 Annie E. White abt 1876 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter  West Dean  Gloucestershire   <br />
 Benjamin White abt 1871 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son  West Dean  Gloucestershire   <br />
 Ellen A. White abt 1879 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter  West Dean  Gloucestershire   </p>
<p>1871 Joyford<br />
  William White abt 1844  West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head  West Dean  Gloucestershire  <br />
Eliza White abt 1849  West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife  West Dean  Gloucestershire   <br />
Benjamin White abt 1871  West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son  West Dean  Gloucestershire</p>
<p>Name: Benjamin White ???<br />
Year of Registration: 1871  <br />
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar  <br />
District: Monmouth (1837-1939)  <br />
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire  <br />
Volume: 11a  <br />
Page: 22 </p>
<p><br />
1861 Joyford<br />
Thomas White abt 1811  West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head  West Dean  Gloucestershire<br />
 Elizabeth White abt 1817  West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife  West Dean  Gloucestershire<br />
Ann White abt 1851  West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter  West Dean  Gloucestershire   <br />
 Elizabeth White abt 1858  West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter  West Dean  Gloucestershire   <br />
Emma White abt 1861  West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter  West Dean  Gloucestershire   <br />
 George White abt 1855  West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son  West Dean  Gloucestershire   <br />
 Hannah White abt 1853  West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter  West Dean  Gloucestershire   <br />
 Henry White abt 1839  West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son  West Dean  Gloucestershire   <br />
Tom White abt 1847  West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son  West Dean  Gloucestershire   <br />
William White abt 1844  West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son  West Dean  Gloucestershire  </p>
<p>1851 <br />
Thomas White abt 1811  West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head  West Dean  Gloucestershire<br />
Elizabeth White abt 1816  West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife  West Dean  Gloucestershire <br />
Alice White abt 1841  West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter  West Dean  Gloucestershire   <br />
 Amelia White abt 1847  West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter  West Dean  Gloucestershire   <br />
 Ann White abt 1850  West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter  West Dean  Gloucestershire   <br />
 Henry White abt 1839  West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son  West Dean  Gloucestershire   <br />
 Thomas White abt 1847  West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son  West Dean  Gloucestershire   <br />
 William White abt 1844  West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son  West Dean  Gloucestershire  </p>
<p><br />
1841 Berry Hill<br />
Thomas White abt 1811  Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest  Gloucestershire <br />
 Elizth White abt 1821  Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest  Gloucestershire   <br />
Alice White abt 1841  Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest  Gloucestershire <br />
Elizth White abt 1837  Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest  Gloucestershire   <br />
 Henry White abt 1839  Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest  Gloucestershire</p>
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