Forest of Dean FHT Forum - Charles Thorne B1850 in 1870 New York Census ?

Charles Thorne B1850 in 1870 New York Census ? (reply)

Karaka — Tue, 27 Aug 2019 21:45:00 +0000

Hi Jefff,
Thank you for the post, the US Census and naturalizations records are confirmed. The immigration records are variable and not yet enough to tie him to the FOD family.
Not sure how I will find a US marriage record for Charles and Regina, they seem to require a US county to start looking. I have tried a few German surnames which popped up in researching, but nothing certain. I will also try to find a 1947 California death record for Regina Thorne as the name seems rare and therefore worth pursuing. Not sure if they contain a maiden name.

Charles Thorne B1850 in 1871 GLS Census (reply)

Karaka — Tue, 27 Aug 2019 08:15:07 +0000

Thank you most kindly for this information. I have checked all information available and it all seems to confirm this is the same person. Newnham and his occupation as a Tanner was the clincher.This is a big find for me, a brick wall has fallen.

Charles Thorne B1850 in 1870 New York Census ? (reply)

Jefff — Mon, 26 Aug 2019 23:13:50 +0000

Hi Kujen, and a warm welcome to the forum.
Thanks for your great post, and finally solving this puzzle after all these years. Sadly it seems that Russell is no longer active on this forum (his username being displayed black, not blue) - but hopefully he will still see your post in due course.

I've just tried finding more records for Charles Thorne using the FamilySearch site as it included USA records, I wonder if this might possibly be him ?.

1870 Census, New York City, ward 18.
Name Gender Age Race Birth Year (Estimated) Birthplace Page Number
Charles Thorn 22 1848 England 16 Grocer
Catherine Thorn 35 1835 Maryland 16 Keeping House

Full image here but sadly no more info: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DWTS-ZSS?i=943&cc=1438024

Also,

California County Naturalizations
Name Charles Thorne, England
Event Type Naturalization
Event Date July 10th, 1912
Event Place San Francisco, San Francisco, California, United States

Full image here: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-956G-9KQK?i=344&cc=1402856

There is also this New York Passenger List for the SS Alsatia dated September 1880 which includes

Name Event Type Event Date Event Place Gender Age Birth Year (Estimated) Birthplace Ship Name
Mr Thorne Immigration 1880 New York City, New York, United States Male 33 1847 England Alsatia
Mrs Thorne Immigration 1880 New York City, New York, United States Female 30 1850 England Alsatia
Infant Thorne Immigration 1880 New York City, New York, United States

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939V-R99Q-82?i=509&cc=1849782

But whether this is our man isn't certain....

Charles Thorne B1850 in 1871 GLS Census (reply)

Kujen — Sun, 25 Aug 2019 19:14:01 +0000

Hello Russell.
I'm at a grave in the Mountain View Cemetery in Piedmont, California, USA.

I have Charles Thorne at rest Jan 23, 1914 with his wife Regina Thorne at rest Oct 14, 1947.

This url goes to a newspaper clipping with the obituary. It says Charles came from Newnham, Gloucestershire, England.

He died at his home 1339 Kansas Street in San Francisco.

https://cdnc.ucr.edu/cgi-bin/cdnc?a=d&d=SFC19130125.1.15&

It's a great spot under a tree.

Hope this helps.

Charles Thorn(son) 1850 in 1871 Shrop. Census (reply)

slowhands — Fri, 06 Jan 2006 22:28:07 +0000

This may be a bit off the wall but it looks like Thornson

Boarding at the Castle Vaults Inn Shrewsbury 1871 a Farmers Son from Newnham Glos aged 20

Name: Charles Thomson
Age: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1851
Relation: Unmarried

Source information: RG10/2769
Registration district: Atcham
Sub-registration district: St Mary
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Folio: 38
Page: 11
Household schedule number: 60

Charles Thorne B1850 in 1871 GLS Census (reply)

Russell Thorne — Sat, 22 Oct 2005 04:08:52 +0000

Thank you all for the big effort.

Charles Thorne B1850 in 1871 GLS Census (reply)

slowhands — Sat, 22 Oct 2005 04:03:41 +0000

Its beginning to look like he died or moved well away - in the Military or abroad.....

Charles THORNE 1846 NEWLAND (reply)

slowhands — Sat, 22 Oct 2005 01:49:56 +0000

Newnham "parish" shares a boundary with East Dean and Littledean.

Charles Thorne B1850 in 1871 GLS Census (reply)

slowhands — Sat, 22 Oct 2005 01:46:26 +0000

I was only using "Bullo Pill" as an example of likely direction from the "hill" in Newnham with St Peters , of farm land...

Charles Thorne B1850 in 1871 GLS Census (reply)

admin — Fri, 21 Oct 2005 21:36:53 +0000

Anyone like to make a local comment about "Bullo Pill?"
I know that St Peter's Church in Newnham is not far from the banks of the Severn.
I agree with the "Under the Cliffs" interpretation, that seems to be used locally along the banks of the Severn.

Charles Thorne B1850 in 1871 GLS Census (reply)

admin — Fri, 21 Oct 2005 21:28:22 +0000

The 1850 birth record is the one, as ALL the other ones on this post, my confirmed cousins.
I have often wondered how Ancestry.Com would respond to suggested corrections to their transcriptions. I have seen the originals and know how hard it is to arrive at the correct transcription.
It is Thorn(e) and the birthplace for John Thorne is Stogumber in Somerset.

Charles THORNE 1846 NEWLAND (reply)

admin — Fri, 21 Oct 2005 21:26:52 +0000

A quick question from a colonial far away, but is Newnham in West Dean?
I would have said East Dean but only because of the later Railway Map posted on this site which apparently differentiates the two.

Charles THORNE 1846 NEWLAND (reply)

Russell Thorne — Fri, 21 Oct 2005 21:22:56 +0000

There must be alot of interpretation to go from Newland to Newnham and since Newland also exists, then I tend to discount this one.

Charles Thorne B1850 in 1871 GLS Census (reply)

Russell Thorne — Fri, 21 Oct 2005 21:19:42 +0000

This one is intriguing, I wish they knew how old they were. He was definitly B1850 so he should be 31 in 1881.

Charles Thorne B1850 in 1871 GLS Census (reply)

slowhands — Fri, 21 Oct 2005 16:32:21 +0000

Name: Thorne, Charles
Record Type: Births
Quarter: September
Year: 1850
District: Westbury on Severn
County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 11
Page: 491

1851 East dean
THORNE John 41 Tanner Somerset Stour
Amelia 37 Hampstead Gloucestershire
John 10 Newnham
Frederick 7 Newnham
William 5 Newnham
Ann Eliza 3 Newnham
Charles 10m East Dean
Samuel Brother 30 Tanner Fretherne

1861 two Farmers THORN transcribed as THOM
Living Newnham "under the cliff" near the church ( towards Bullo Pill) ?

John Thom abt 1804 Slowgumber, Gloucestershire, England Head Newnham Gloucestershire STOWGUMBER SOMERSET ?
Amelia Thom abt 1813 Gloucester, Gloucestershire, England Wife Newnham Gloucestershire
Ann Thom abt 1848 Newnham, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Newnham Gloucestershire
Ann Thom abt 1856 Newnham, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Newnham Gloucestershire
Charles Thom abt 1851 Newnham, Gloucestershire, England Son Newnham Gloucestershire
Edith Thom abt 1860 Newnham, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Newnham Gloucestershire
Fredrick Thom abt 1843 Newnham, Gloucestershire, England Son Newnham Gloucestershire
Harry Thom abt 1853 Newnham, Gloucestershire, England Son Newnham Gloucestershire
William Thom abt 1845 Newnham, Gloucestershire, England Son Newnham Gloucestershire

Samuel Thom abt 1820 Frampton on Severn, Gloucestershire, England Head Newnham Gloucestershire
Mary Thom abt 1826 Cambridgeshire, Gloucestershire, England Wife Newnham Gloucestershire

1871
John Thorne abt 1810 Stugombe, Somerset, England Head Newnham Gloucestershire
Amelia Thorne abt 1814 St Mary Decript, Gloucestershire, England Wife Newnham Gloucestershire
Amy Thorne abt 1856 Newnham, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Newnham Gloucestershire
Edith Thorne abt 1860 Newnham, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Newnham Gloucestershire
Harry Thorne abt 1853 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son Newnham Gloucestershire

Samuel Thorn abt 1820 Frampton on Severn, Gloucestershire, England Head Newnham Gloucestershire
Mary Thorn abt 1826 Cambridgeshire, Gloucestershire, England Wife Newnham Gloucestershire
Sidney Thorn abt 1866 Newnham, Gloucestershire, England Son Newnham Gloucestershire
James Thorn abt 1863 Newnham, Gloucestershire, England Son Newnham Gloucestershire

1881
John Thorn abt 1810 Stoke Grumton, Somerset, England Head Lodge, Newnham, Gloucestershire, England
Amelia Thorn abt 1813 Gloucester City Wife Lodge, Newnham, Gloucestershire, England

Samuel Thorn abt 1821 Frampton, Gloucestershire, England Head Dean Road, Newnham, Gloucestershire, England
Mary Thorn abt 1823 Cam, Gloucestershire, England Wife Dean Road, Newnham, Gloucestershire, England

Charles THORNE 1846 NEWLAND (reply)

slowhands — Fri, 21 Oct 2005 16:20:20 +0000

another Charles

1881
Charles THORNE Head M Male 34 Forest Of Dean, Gloucester, England Commission Agent
Emily THORNE Wife M Female 29 Forest Of Dean, Gloucester, England
Alice BIRT Adopted (Daur) Female 9 Handsworth, York, England Scholar

1871
Charles Thorne abt 1846 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Head Shelton Staffordshire
Emily Thorne abt 1851 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Wife Shelton Staffordshire
Melinda Thorne abt 1858 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Sister Shelton Staffordshire

1861
Charles Thorne abt 1846 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Gloucestershire
Eva Thorne abt 1860 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean Gloucestershire
James Thorne abt 1852 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Gloucestershire
John Thorne abt 1822 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean Gloucestershire
John Thorne abt 1849 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Gloucestershire
Melinda Thorne abt 1858 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean Gloucestershire
Sarah Thorne abt 1821 Sollers Hope, Herefordshire, England Wife West Dean Gloucestershire

1851 West Dean
THORN John 29 Sawyer West Dean
Sarah 30 Sallers Hope ?
Charles 5 Scholar West Dean
John 2 Scholar West Dean
BALL Louisa Niece 1 West Dean

Charles Thorne B1850 in 1871 GLS Census (reply)

Joanne Leach — Fri, 21 Oct 2005 14:03:46 +0000

Hi, this very well could be him in 1881:

Charles THORNE Head M Male 34 Forest Of Dean, Gloucester, England Commission Agent
Emily THORNE Wife M Female 29 Forest Of Dean, Gloucester, England
Alice BIRT Adopted (Daur) Female 9 Handsworth, York, England Scholar

Dwelling 51 Blenheim Rd
Census Place Gloucester Barton St Mary, Gloucester, England

What do you think?

Joanne

Charles Thorne B1850 in 1871 GLS Census

Russell Thorne — Fri, 21 Oct 2005 03:16:13 +0000

Would anyone able to search the 1871 GLS census for Charles Thorne born
1850 Blaize Bailey, East Dean to John Thorne and Amelia Bone of Newnham. His
parents were by 1871 in Ruddle near Newnham, but no sign of Charles at that
address. Cannot find him country wide in 1881.
He was the youngest of a large family, he does not seem to have married or
died yet according to FreeBMD.
Thanks for any leads,
Russell Thorne
New Zealand