Forest of Dean FHT Forum - Possible daughter of Jepeath James (Uncle Warren FoD Riots)

Possible daughter of Jepeath James (Uncle Warren FoD Riots) (reply)

Gill — Sat, 26 Jan 2019 02:41:39 +0000

Apologies about the delay in replying to your information. I inadvertently forgot to tick the email reminder box and it's been a few days since I last checked the site.

Many thank’s for your information. A coincidence that there is a baptism within a few months of each other with the same names as your Jeptha 1755-1817 (Mary) and Richard 1727-1767 (Sarah). Obviously your Richard and Sarah cannot be the Richard and Sarah in the 1798 baptism but maybe a possible family member. Jeptha and Mary parents of Elizabeth, baptism May 20 1798 could that possibly be your Jeptha James 1755-1817 child a sister of Jeptha James 1788-1867?

My Elizabeth (James ) (1798-1876) married James Wintle (1797 -1873 ) 14 Sept 1823 in Newlands
Elizabeth and James did not name any of their 9 children Jeptha or Richard. So maybe a totally different family.

As you say I may never know.

It was helpful getting your dates as all the information assists with the ‘jig saw’.

Cheers Gill ‘

Possible daughter of Jepeath James (Uncle Warren FoD Riots) (reply)

Gill — Fri, 25 Jan 2019 23:45:31 +0000

Hi Apologies for taking so long to reply but missed ticking the box for an email reminder.

Thanks for all your information. Ralph Anstis book 'Warren James and the Dean Forest Riots' states that Warren's sister Hannah moved to London and lived with a noble man and I guess that she is the one the newspaper article is referring to.

It is always possible that she was not baptised plus James is a well used name in the Forest.

Many Thanks Gill

Possible daughter of Jepeath James (Uncle Warren FoD Riots) (reply)

mcowan — Thu, 17 Jan 2019 13:23:41 +0000

Jeptha James born 1755 died 1817, his son Jeptha was born 1788 and died 1867. Jeptha is spelt in many different ways in the different records. Your Elizabeth is most likely to be related to Warren in one way or another but I think it may be difficult to prove which Elizabeth she is unfortunately. Both Warren senior and Jeptha are my ancestors with their father being Richard James 1727 - 1767 and mother Sara (unknown maiden name)

Possible daughter of Jepeath James (Uncle Warren FoD Riots) (reply)

Mike Pinchin — Wed, 16 Jan 2019 22:40:51 +0000

All from this site,

On the assumption that this is Warren JAMES’s parentage,

Record ID 40659
Entry Number 656
Year 1792
Month Jul
Day 29
Parents Surname JAMES
Child Forenames Warron
Fathers Forenames Warron
Mothers Forenames Ann
Mothers Surname
Residence
Occupation
Officiating Minister
Event Baptism
Memoranda son of
Notes
Register Reference P57 IN 1/1
Page Number 123
Parish Chapel Bream

Record ID 148653
Entry Number
Year 1777
Month Jun
Day 6
Grooms Surname JAMES
Grooms Forenames Warren
Grooms Age
Groom Condition
Grooms Occupation
Grooms Residence Newland
Grooms Fathers Surname
Grooms Fathers Forenames
Grooms Fathers Occupation
Brides Surname KEAR
Brides Forenames Anne
Brides Age
Brides Condition
Brides Occupation
Brides Residence Newland
Brides Fathers Surname
Brides Fathers Forenames
Brides Fathers Occupation
Licence or Banns Banns
Date of Banns
Signature or Mark He signs she marks
Witness 1 Dorothy Tyler
Witness 2 R Williams
Other Witnesses
Officiating Minister P Ball vicar
Event Marriage
Memoranda
Notes
Register Reference P227 IN 1/7
Page Number 508
Parish Chapel Newland

Assuming that Warren James the Elder might have been born ca 1755,

Record ID 40017
Entry Number 16
Year 1751
Month Nov
Day 10
Parents Surname JAMES
Child Forenames Warren
Fathers Forenames Richard
Mothers Forenames Sarah
Mothers Surname
Residence
Occupation
Officiating Minister
Event Baptism
Memoranda son of
Notes Any abbreviated forenames have been expanded to the full name
Register Reference P57 IN 1/1
Page Number 3
Parish Chapel Bream

We might therefore be looking for a brother named Jeptha born reasonably close to this,

Record ID 389401
Entry Number
Year 1755
Month Sep
Day 21
Parents Surname JAMES
Child Forenames Jephthah
Fathers Forenames Rich[ar]d
Mothers Forenames Sarah
Mothers Surname
Residence Breem
Occupation
Officiating Minister
Event Baptism
Memoranda
Notes
Register Reference P227 IN 4/1
Page Number 271
Parish Chapel Newland

Since Bream was a Chapelry of Newland baptisms could be recorded in both places. Interestingly enough the latter record appears at Bream under the name Japeath,

Record ID 40074
Entry Number 72
Year 1755
Month Sep
Day 21
Parents Surname JAMES
Child Forenames Japeath (transcription is correct - Ancestry image)
Fathers Forenames Richard
Mothers Forenames Sarah
Mothers Surname
Residence
Occupation
Officiating Minister
Event Baptism
Memoranda son of
Notes
Register Reference P57 IN 1/1
Page Number 11
Parish Chapel Bream

Later note.Does the mentioned book imply that Japeath/Jeptha was alive at the time of the riots? If so this post may be a red herring.

Warren’s sister may be worth following up as evidenced by this newspaper comment during a report of the riots and his part in them,

BNA Cheltenham Journal and Gloucestershire Fashionable Weekly Gazette. - Monday 27 June 1831

The Foresters quoted the Duke of Beaufort and the Lord Chancellor, as authorising their conduct! His Grace is stated to have recommended them to petition, and merely promised to support their prayer. Warren James's sister lives as servant to the Lord Chancellor, whom he pretends to have consulted. The soldiers found out his signals, three claps of the hand, which brought him up from the mine, and placed him safe in their clutches. Like all English and Irish mobs, the Forest Rioters are great cowards.

Possible daughter of Jepeath James (Uncle Warren FoD Riots)

Gill — Thu, 10 Jan 2019 05:10:48 +0000

Please bear with me once again as I try to find out more about Elizabeth James my G G Grandmother who married James Wintle on 14th September 1823 Newlands. I have found a few possible parents for her plus I have considered that she may never have been baptised. I have narrowed it down to the two most likely possibilities. (below).
If her parents are Jeptha and Mary James this could make her Warren James’s cousin. Although his Uncle was named as Japeath in Ralph Anstis book Warren James and the Dean Forrest Riots.

As I am about to write an overview of the Riots for my family album it would be of interest if there was a possibility of Warren being Elizabeth’s cousin or even to be able to state that there was no relationship.
Any information that would help re a relationship to Warren James would be helpful, for or against.

Elizabeth James
Baptism
Baptism Date
25 Nov 1798
Baptism Place
Bream, Gloucestershire, England

Father
Richd James
Mother
Sarah James
or

Elizabeth James

Baptism
Baptism Date
20 May 1798
Baptism Place
Newland, Gloucestershire, England
Parish as it Appears
Newland
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Map
3151
Father
Jeptha James
Mother
Mary James

Many thanks Gill