In the lack of further evidence, it would appear that this John married Agnes Butt at Arlingham on 23 Sep 1617. A daughter, Anne, was baptised at Arlingham in 1618.

The family then crossed the River Severn, as three sons were baptised at Westbury on Severn and the residence is given as Rodley, which is on the opposite bank to Arlingham. Apparently there is an Arlington Passage, which allowed people to cross between Arlingham and Newnham at low tide, which would have been in use in the early 1600s.

The three sons of John and Agnes were: John (1620 - ), Thomas (1623 - ) and Richard (1626 - ).

The latter, Richard Fryer (1626 - ), is my 8th gt-grandfather, whom I was trying to identify.

There is great confusion on Ancestry concerning Richard Fryer (1620 - ), or was he born in 1626?

There was a baptism of Richard Fryer at Westbury on Severn, with father John, in 1626.

Many of the trees have him married to Joane Jaques (in London in 1744) and quite a few have him married to both Joane King and Joane Jaques - unlikely as Joan Jaques was still alive.

It seems entirely possible that the Richard Fryer who married in 1658 was born at Frampton on Severn in 1637. He was the son of Walter Fryer (1597 or 1601 - ) of Arlingham.

There is little certainty about any of this.

Ancestry has many mistranscribed records. The registers can be damaged (eaten away) and the writing difficult to read (old English etc).

The ability to search for witnesses is a bonus, wish Ancestry had the same facility and the same goes for the Bonds/Licence records.

Very grateful to everyone involved.

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So.... Joan KING was born c 1630, so would have been aged 28 - quite old to marry !!!

Here lyeth
the body of JOAN, ye wife
of RICHARD FRYER, late of
Overton, Senr., who departed
this life the 3rd day of Janury.
ano. dm. 1699, aetat. 69

There is another family Fryers at Slow (now Slowwe I think) which was the principal farm of the Berkley Estate leased then sold to a family called Hodges.

Jooanne KYNGE - 28 February 1546 at Arlingham and a William KYNGE - 10 March 1548

1580

Kynge (alias) Walter

Arlingham

Ancestry lists him as Walter Blackines (Walter Kynge)

Thomas BLACKNEY alias KINGE - Smith, A 60 (age around 60) lower stature

and

Richard WINTELL, subsidy man and John KINGE, subsidy man have between them one musket furnished.

father Richard

Seems to be family names.

6 May 1588

Richard FRYER
of Slow

married: Jone FRYER (so Jone was a Widow)

Memoranda: Jone FRYER sometimes wife of WALTER FRYER

(previous reply I sent, mentions Walter BLAKNEY alias KING)

The Fryers I am looking for are from Overton and in cloth trade. I am now looking at the will John Friar weaver of Overton 1614.

I have also seen 16th century Haberdashers apprentice document in London for one of this family.

If you would like to see the family I am following check out the top of the Humphries and Knight Family tree on Ancestry which links in to my Watkins ancestors. I'm happy its correct to the Richard Friar Joan King marriage but I would like some good evidence for the next generation back.

Settlement of (1) Walter BLAKNEY alias KING of Arlingham (Smith)
(2) Robert FRYER of Slow, Arlingham.

Gloucestershire Parish Deeds Part 3.
Parish Deeds. Arlingham
Settlement (1) Walter BLAKNEY alias KING of Arlingham, smith
(2) Robert FRYER of Slowe, Arlingham yeoman and
Thomas BLAKNEY alias KING of Arlingham (son of Samuel BLAKNEY, deceased). Richard