Forest of Dean FHT Forum - Hubert PRIEST b 1841 Newland

Hubert PRIEST b 1841 Newland (reply)

priest — Sat, 19 Jan 2008 07:25:49 +0000

Hi Simone,
We are in the depths of Cornwall!! Any help would be very much appreciated but please don't put yourself out too much.
Alison

Timothy Silver (reply)

slowhands — Sat, 19 Jan 2008 07:22:38 +0000

Timothy is a Labourer from Galway Ireland, described in 1881 as a timber dealer

Marriage
Name: Margaret McArdle
Name: Timothy Silver
Year of Registration: 1855
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Liverpool (1837-1934)
County: Lancashire
Volume: 8b
Page: 540

Hubert PRIEST b 1841 Newland (reply)

Simone — Sat, 19 Jan 2008 06:36:25 +0000

Hi Alison.

Netherfield Road is a very long road in Everton, just on the outskirts of the city. It is split between North and South, i.e Netherfield Road North & Netherfield Road South.

I will try and work out likely churches for burial. Where are you? If nowhere nr Liverpool, I could try and look for burial at likely church next time I go to Record Office.

There is a Margaret Silver married to Timothy on the 1861 & 1871 census, first in Epsom St, then Paget St. This is the same district of St Martin as Netherfied Road, although a few minutes walk away.

Will see what I can find.

I'll get back to you shortly

Simone x

Hubert PRIEST b 1841 Newland (reply)

priest — Sat, 19 Jan 2008 03:51:43 +0000

Hi Chris,
Yes I think you are right. Mary Priest nee Harris was a widow when she married John Morgan in 1836.(Mary was my husbands g g grandmother) I know that she took some of her children Hubert, Charles and Mary Ann from her marriage to William Priest with her when she married John Morgan. John and Mary then had a child Jessie Morgan born in 1861. After Mary died in 1865 I believe that John Morgan married again and Jessie lived with him and his next wife Hannah Davis.
I don't suppose you know what happened to Jessie Morgan? I have yet to get round to detailed research on him but my fear is that he is the Jessie Morgan who died in 1880 in Shardlow??
Have looked at your tree and now have full details for John Morgan, many thanks.
Alison

Hubert PRIEST b 1841 Newland (reply)

priest — Sat, 19 Jan 2008 03:21:07 +0000

Hi Simone,
Unfortunately the death certificate is not at all easy to read as the writing is awful!
The informant who was present at death was a M S Silver and the address of death and informant is 130, Netherfield Road, North Everton.(I think). I have tried to find out more about the address or informant Silver from the 1861 census but have drawn a blank on both. The informant is not his sister or any relative that I am aware of and I think it likely that he was lodging there while working as a stone mason. The registration district on the death certificate is West Derby & Toxteth Park in the sub district of Everton in the county of Lancaster.
Having looked at the certificate again today I still think that it is Hubert and not Herbert and am still 99.9% sure that I have the right guy but I don't think we will ever know for sure unless we can trace a burial which I have to confess I don't really know how to go about doing! Any advice greatly appreciated as Hubert has for some reason always been one of my favourites and I have always said that I would find out all I could about him.
Thanks again,
Alison

Hubert PRIEST 1841-1868 Newland (reply)

slowhands — Sat, 19 Jan 2008 00:59:13 +0000

Name: Herbert Priest
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Year of Registration: 1868
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at Death: 27
District: West Derby
County: Lancashire
Volume: 8b
Page: 381

At a guess his sister was the infomant ?

Hubert PRIEST b 1841 Newland (reply)

Simone — Sat, 19 Jan 2008 00:43:15 +0000

Hi Alison

What address did he die at? Who was the informant? I am wondering if we could narrow down a church and perhaps look for a burial record.

Simone x

Hubert PRIEST b 1841 Newland (reply)

10noyrum — Fri, 18 Jan 2008 11:26:55 +0000

I beleive John Morgan is the son of Isaac Morgan (see 16.11.4.4 below). He is the son of James Morgan the son of WILLIAM MORGAN and Elizabeth (the rest of the pedigree can be found on (THOMAS MORGAN born about 1645) in Miscesllaneous Documents on this site:

16.11. JAMES MORGAN (23) s of WILLIAM MORGAN and ELIZABETH of Bream; baptised April 3rd 1743 (PFC 227 in 1/3 fiche 1, Newland); m JANE KEAR 3rd of November 1765 Newland, Gloucester, England; (not on MI Index for Glos); mentioned in the Will of his brother WILLIAM MORGAN of 24th August 1774; had issue (IGI):

16.11.1. JAMES MORGAN baptized 26th June 1768 Newland;
16.11.2. THOMAS MORGAN baptized 10th August 1770 Newland;
16.11.3. DIANA MORGAN baptized 7th February 1773 Newland; married RICHARD GUEST in English Bicknor on 1st June 1810; had issue:
16.11.3.1. WILLIAM GUEST bapt 27nd July 1811 (born 21st June 1811);
16.11.3.2. RICHARD GUEST bapt 23rd May 1819 Littledean; POR Hundred of St Briavels;
16.11.4. ISAAC MORGAN b 20th September 1778; m SARAH KEAR on 18th February 1802 English Bicknor ; had issue:
16.11.4.1. GEORGE MORGAN of Coleford b Dec 28th 1805
16.11.4.2. CHARLOTTA MORGAN of Coleford b Jan 15th 1805
16.11.4.3. MARY MORGAN of Coleford b Sept 20th1807; place of residence Coleford
16.11.4.4. JOHN MORGAN b October 21st 1810
16.11.4.5. ANN MORGAN of Coleford b May 8th 1809
16.11.5. RICHARD MORGAN baptized 26th September 1782 Newland;
16.11.6. ELIZABETH MORGAN baptized 19th November 1786 Newland;
16.11.7. ANN MORGAN baptized 4th July 1790 Newland;

Chris Morgan.

Hubert PRIEST b 1841 Newland (reply)

priest — Thu, 10 Jan 2008 00:49:09 +0000

Update for Hubert Priest
I am now 99% certain that I have found Hubert Priest. I now have a death certificate for a Hubert/Herbert(unclear) who died in 1868 aged 27 which checks out with Hubert's dob in 1841. Even the death register is unclear as the first name has been overtyped and could be Hubert or Herbert. I have gone through every birth recorded to see if there is another Herbert that could match this death certificate and there is not, thankfully all the records are complete for 1841 and three years either side just in case!
Hubert died of Typhoid whilst working as a stone mason in West Derby where his sister Mary Ann was working as a servant so I think I can be fairly certain it is him although it is infuriating not to have 100% proof.
Thanks for everyones help and interest.
Alison

Shutcastle, Lodge (reply)

slowhands — Thu, 27 Dec 2007 02:27:51 +0000

The Lodge is sadly demolished - according to a New Regard issue (2004) there was a section of wall left (!)

In the article it also mentions Samuel Priest who in about 1810 was approached to sell for £60 his cottage to the Crown so that it could become the Woodman's Lodge.

His widow in March 1813 allowed the cottage to continue to be used as the Lodge, however the Crown did not find the son acceptable to be the Woodman .

David Mushet's Coleford residence is very different both location and style :-)

Shutcastle, nr Bream / Ellwod (reply)

priest — Thu, 27 Dec 2007 01:41:24 +0000

Thank you, what a mine of information you are!
We were just planning a trip up to the Forest and were looking at staying at Forest House Hotel, Coleford which was former home of David and Robert Mushat!! I don't suppose this was once Shutcastle Lodge???
Alison

Shutcastle, nr Bream / Ellwod Little Drybrook (reply)

slowhands — Thu, 27 Dec 2007 00:59:47 +0000

Shutcastle Inclosure - is a division of the Forest, looked after from the Shutcastle Lodge.

Shutcastle Colliery - the mine/gale is a mineral extraction site, linked with Mushet and his nearby Darkhill iron works.

Flourmill colliery was nr Shutcastle Lodge

Hubert PRIEST b 1841 Newland (reply)

priest — Thu, 27 Dec 2007 00:35:10 +0000

Thanks again for info. Actually have that info and am going down the Hubert Jnr born 1862 and waiting for birth certificate to help me on the way.
Perhaps you can help with what sort of place 'Shutcastle' and it's many variations was as it comes up time and time again in my various searches particularly 'Shutcastle enclosure'
Thanks again Alison

Hubert PRIEST b 1841 Newland (reply)

priest — Thu, 27 Dec 2007 00:30:37 +0000

Simone,
Thanks for your info. Actually have those details but thanks anyway. Now have Hubert in 1861 census but he disappears after that. Now looking at a possible son Hubert born in 1862 in West Bromwich who returned to work in the chemical works where Hubert Snr's brother John Samuel (my husbands g g/f)
worked as Manager so a possible and died in Lydbrook area where most of the family were. Waiting for birth certificate to see if I can get any further. Thanks again. Alison

Hubert PRIEST b 1841 Newland (reply)

Simone — Wed, 26 Dec 2007 11:20:09 +0000

Burial for William Priest?

30816
Entry Number 500
Year 1854
Month Apr
Day 9
Surname PRIEST
Forename(s) William
Place of Residence Shutcastle Enclosure
Age at death 45
Officiating Minister John Hawksley Curate
Event Burial
Cause of death
Memoranda
Notes
Register Reference P227 IN 1/27
Page No 63
Parish/Chapel Newland
Soundex P623

Simone x

Hubert PRIEST b 1841 Newland (reply)

Simone — Wed, 26 Dec 2007 11:15:17 +0000

Here's the marriage for Mary to John from Parish records on this site

John Morgan m Mary Priest 20/06/1859
Parkend
Groom Age at Marriage 48
Groom condition Widower
Groom Rank or Profession Collier
Groom Residence Whitecroft
Groom Father's Surname Morgan
Groom Father's Forename(s) Isaac
Groom Father's Rank or Profession Collier
Bride Surname PRIEST
Bride Forename(s) Mary
Bride Age at Marriage 42
Bride Condition Widow
Bride Rank or Profession [not stated]
Bride Residence West Dean
Bride Father's Surname Harris
Bride Father's Forename(s) John
Bride Father's Rank or Profession Quarry Man
Licence or Banns Licence
Date of banns
Signature or Mark he marks she signs
Witness 1 Elizabeth Morgan
Witness 2 John Vaughan
Other witnesses
Officiating Minister [illegible] Ebsworth
Event type Marriage
Memoranda Incumbent
Transcriber's Notes
Register Reference P145 IN 1/20
Page No 219
Parish/Chapel Parkend
Soundex Groom M625
Soundex Bride P623

Simone x

Hubert PRIEST b 1841 Newland (reply)

slowhands — Wed, 26 Dec 2007 11:13:13 +0000

looks very promising :-)

Hubert PRIEST b 1841 Newland (reply)

Simone — Wed, 26 Dec 2007 11:10:08 +0000

Hi Alison and Slowhands

This may be him in 1861:) at Breams Wood
Did William die and Mary remarry a Morgan?
RG9 3982 24 10
Name Age
Elbert Morgan 20 looks more like Ubert (Hubert?)- stone mason
Jessie Morgan 8 Mo
John Morgan 50
Joseph Morgan 19 can't make out his realtionship?
Mary Morgan 44
Charles Priest 13 son
Mary A Priest 10 daughter
Thomas Priest 11 brother

Here is family in 1851 for comparison
HO107 2444 242 26
Name Age
Annie M Priest 7
Charles Priest 3 (ON 1861 AGE 13)
George Priest 12
Hubert Priest 10 (AS ELBERT ON 1861?)
John S Priest 13
Mary Priest 33 (AGE 44 ON 1861)
Mary A Priest 5 Mo (ON 1861 AGE 10)
Thomas Priest 52
William Priest 42

Simone x

Hubert PRIEST b 1841 Newland (reply)

slowhands — Wed, 26 Dec 2007 01:55:00 +0000

Shutcastle near Ellwood / Bream seems to be the only clue ( to George's residence at least )

Regular "readers" will understand frustration at the quality of 1861 tanscriptions - so Herbert and PREEST , and other combinations might yield his whereabouts !

Its perhaps worth finding out if his namesake is his son...

1861
Thomas Dobbs abt 1814 Ross, Herefordshire, England Head West Dean Gloucestershire
Mary Dobbs abt 1804 Ireland Wife West Dean Gloucestershire

1871
Thomas Dobbs abt 1813 Walford, Herefordshire, England Head West Dean Gloucestershire
Mary Ann Dobbs abt 1807 Westmeath, Ireland Wife West Dean Gloucestershire
Hubert Priest abt 1862 Handsworth, Staffordshire, England Adopted Son West Dean Gloucestershire

1881
Thomas Dobbs abt 1814 Walford, Hertfordshire, England Head West Dean Gloucestershire
Hubert Priest abt 1862 Handsworth, Staffordshire, England Grandson West Dean Gloucestershire

1891
Hubert Priest abt 1862 Handsworth, Staffordshire, England Lodger West Dean Gloucestershire

Hubert PRIEST b 1841 Newland

priest — Wed, 26 Dec 2007 00:53:47 +0000

I am trying to find out what happened to Hubert Priest born 1841 Newland son of William & Mary. He is shown at home with parents in 1851 census aged 10 and then unable to find him anywhere except he shows up as a witness to his brother Georges' marriage in 1859 to Elizabeth Jenkins.
Any help would be great as he has been driving me mad trying to find him!