Forest of Dean FHT Forum - EDWARD BRINSFORD

EDWARD BRINSFORD (reply)

deborahrmgreig — Sun, 10 Aug 2008 08:54:51 +0000

Just realised I've missed a dot!

EDWARD BRINSFORD (reply)

hornsrough — Sat, 09 Aug 2008 09:11:18 +0000

Hi Deborah

My messages to your e-mail keep being returned?!

I will try again....

Paddy

EDWARD BRINSFORD (reply)

deborahrmgreig — Wed, 06 Aug 2008 12:41:35 +0000

Paddy
I should add that my source for place of birth of Edward (1801) and his wife Sarah was only from 1851 census and it said Bridgnorth for both of them but I would think your parish records are more accurate (assuming we are talking about the same Edward and Sarah of course) The proof would be a baptism record for Edward 1831 with mother's maiden name, is this also in your church records by any chance I wonder?
If your contact wants to get in touch directly then my email address is my user name for this site followed by @btinternet.com I have a number of birth marriage and death certificates that may be of interest to them that I'd be happy to share. I'd be interested to hear from them too!
Deborah

EDWARD BRINSFORD (reply)

hornsrough — Wed, 06 Aug 2008 12:20:06 +0000

Goodness what superb information! I personally am not related to this family but our church at Neen Savage was visited by a Brinsford relative who was searching for her ancestors. She will be overjoyed when I relay your information. Many thanks...

Paddy

EDWARD BRINSFORD (reply)

deborahrmgreig — Wed, 06 Aug 2008 12:12:06 +0000

I am afraid I have not pursued the parents of my Edward Brinsford as he was related to me only by marriage (albeit related twice over as first cousins married each other.

All I know about Edwards descendants is below (ignore the numbers, they are generated by my family tree software) how do you fit in?

Thanks
Deborah

DESCENDANTS OF EDWARD BRINSFORD

Generation No. 1

1. EDWARD BRINSFORD was born 1802 in Bridgnorth, Shropshire, England2,3. He married SARAH4. She was born 1800 in Bridgnorth, Shropshire, England5.

Notes for EDWARD BRINSFORD:
Gardener at time of son Edward's wedding in 1861

More About EDWARD BRINSFORD:
Residence: 1851, Kidderminster, Worcestershire, England5,5

Children of EDWARD BRINSFORD and SARAH are:
2. i. EDWARD2 BRINSFORD, b. 1831, Shropshire; d. 1903, Kings Norton;
ii. REBECCA BRINSFORD5, b. 1833, Shropshire, England5.

iii. HARRIET BRINSFORD5, b. 1835, Shropshire, England5.

iv. JAMES BRINSFORD5, b. 1837, Shropshire, England5.

v. JOHN BRINSFORD5, b. 1840, Bewdley, Worcestershire, England5.

Generation No. 2

2. EDWARD2 BRINSFORD (EDWARD1)6,7,8 was born 1831 in Shropshire8, and died 1903 in Kings Norton. He married CAROLINE STEPHENS9 22 Dec 1861 in Aston Parish Church, daughter of THOMAS STEPHENS and ANNE. She was born 1830 in St Briavels Gloucestershire, and died 1909 in Kings Norton.

Notes for EDWARD BRINSFORD:
Living in 1861 before his marriage to Caroline at Barker Street, Aston, a lodger with the Gill family.
John Gill was a witness to the marriage of Esther Stephens (sister of Caroline) in 1856 and Barker Street was her address when she married by licence to George LLoyd.

Marriage to Caroline Stephens in December 1861, occcupation Gardener (like his father) and Bachelor aged 31 living in Aston manor. Witnesses John Gill and Sarah Brinsford

More About EDWARD BRINSFORD:
Residence: 1901, Kings Norton, Worcestershire, England10

Notes for CAROLINE STEPHENS:
Caroline Stephens was a witness to the marriage of her sister Esther to George LLoyd in Birmingham in 1856.
Unable to find her with certainty on 1841census

1861 Edward before his marriage was a lodger, Landscape Gardener living at Barker Street, Aston. This is the same road Esther was living at in 1856 when she married George LLoyd.

Marriage to Edward Brinsford on 22/12/1861 at St Peter and St Pauls Church in the parish of Aston. Caroline was a spinster aged 32 and no occupation recorded. Her father Thomas was a farmer. Witnesses were John Gill and Sarah Brinsford. What was the connection between John Gill and the Stephens/Brinsford families???

1871 Living in Handsworth, road name not clear Edward is Gardener and Florist and they have 3 young children at home Alfred 1864, James 1865 and Amy 1868
NB sister Esther's daughter (Esther) married an Alfred Brinsford born 1864, was this the same person???
1881 Living at 141 Birchfield Road, Handsworth, Edward working as Gardener
1891 Living at 139.5 Birchfield Road Handsworth and daughter in law Marion born 1866 Shrewsbury living with them, wife of Alfred presumably. Edward was a Gardener.
1901 Living at Shawhurst Lane, Wythall, Kings Norton, Edward was a Nurseryman aged 71. Daughter Amy aged 33 single and stll at home, a Jewellers clerk.
1903 Edward died in Kings Norton
1909 Caroline died Kings Norton.

More About CAROLINE STEPHENS:
Residence: 1901, Kings Norton, Worcestershire, England10

Children of EDWARD BRINSFORD and CAROLINE STEPHENS are:
3. i. ALFRED EDWARD3 BRINSFORD, b. 1864, Handsworth.
ii. JAMES ARTHUR BRINSFORD, b. 1865, Handsworth.

More About JAMES ARTHUR BRINSFORD:
Residence: 1871, Handsworth, Staffordshire, England11

iii. AMY BRINSFORD12, b. 1868, Handsworth.

More About AMY BRINSFORD:
Residence: 1901, Kings Norton, Worcestershire, England12

Generation No. 3

3. ALFRED EDWARD3 BRINSFORD (EDWARD2, EDWARD1) was born 1864 in Handsworth. He married ESTHER MARIAN LLOYD13 Sep 1890 in Atcham, Montgomoryshire 6a 1173, daughter of GEORGE LLOYD and ESTHER STEPHENS. She was born 1865 in Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England14,15.

More About ALFRED EDWARD BRINSFORD:
Residence: 1901, Handsworth, Staffordshire, England15

Notes for ESTHER MARIAN LLOYD:
Name: Esther Lloyd
Year of Registration: 1865
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Shrewsbury (1837-71)
County: Shropshire
Volume: 6a
Page: 612

1881 possible record of Esther Marian LLoyd aged 15, visitor at Broadway Hall,
1890 marriage record, Esther Marian Lloyd sept 1890 Atcham Montgomeryshire to Alfred Brinsford 6a 1173 This was her first cousin, the son of her mother's sister Caroline.
1891 Marian Brinsford is living with her husband and his parents
1903 Esther Marian Brinsford was the person to notify the death of her mother, Esther Lloyd

More About ESTHER MARIAN LLOYD:
Residence: 1881, Churchstoke, Montgomeryshire, Wales16

Children of ALFRED BRINSFORD and ESTHER LLOYD are:
i. AMY4 BRINSFORD, b. 1892, Handsworth, Birmingham.
ii. GLADYS BRINSFORD, b. 1893, Handsworth, Birmingham.
iii. ESTHER BRINSFORD, b. 1895, Handsworth, Birmingham.
iv. EDWARD BRINSFORD, b. 1900, Handsworth, Birmingham.

This Esther Marian Lloyd was the sister of my great grandfather Walter John Lloyd, his mother Esther Lloyd nee Stephens was the sister of Caroline Stephens

EDWARD BRINSFORD (reply)

hornsrough — Wed, 06 Aug 2008 10:53:26 +0000

EDWARD BRINSFORD married SARAH LAWLEY in Neen Savage, Shropshire on 03 January 1827. She was registered as of the parish of Neen Savage whilst he was from Alveley parish. Their son Edward was born in Alveley in 1831. I am hoping that you may be able to tell me where Edward senior was born and who his parents were.
Regards
Paddy

ROBERTS TUCKER - Prior thread (reply)

slowhands — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 00:22:53 +0000

http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?mode=thread&id=8479#p8515

STEPHENS family St Briavels c 1830 (reply)

glo — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 23:42:56 +0000

Have just found this site and registered and seen your reference to a Caroline Stephens who married Williams Roberts. These are my paternal gt gt grandparents
I have their marriage cert 18 Dec 1861 married at Register Office, Westbury on Severn district. Both living at Stenders East Dean. William 22yrs a collier was his Father George Roberts. Caroline also 22yrs a spinster no occupation, but Father Robert Stephens as a Collier. Witnesses were a Nathaniel Smart and a Mary Robinson. No idea where they fit in but on FreeBMD I spotted a marriage for this couple,

My paternal Grandmother Mary Roberts is one of their many children and born in East Dean in Gloucester c1868/9 but I have been unable to find a baptism or establish a date of birth for Grandma Mary. I have requested several birth certificates but the staff at Gloucester Register Office have not found a Mary Roberts with parents William and Caroline Roberts nee Stephens and so I am stuck!

I traced Mary Roberts to Pontypridd where she married a James Williams and 3 sons were born from this marriage before James sadly died at a young age. Mary Roberts/Williams married my paternal Grandfather William George Tucker as a 29yr old widow in Pontypridd September 1899 and went on to have 5 sons and a daughter. I have Mary Tuckers death certificate she died in December 1912 but dispite living in the same area of Glamorgan for many years I have been unable to find the final resting place for my paternal Grandmother in any church burial grounds or municipal cemeteries. My Grandfather went on to remarry and he is buried with his second wife and a young 3yr old daughter from this 2nd marriage in St Cattwgs churchyard Gelligaer Glamorgan.

My Grandma Mary Roberts/Williams/Tucker is a mysterious lady, I have the "middle pieces" but NO birth or burial details......? I wondered if you could suggest what to do next please?

Regards
Glo

Caroline STEPHENS St Briavels c 1830 (reply)

deborahrmgreig — Thu, 10 Jan 2008 05:04:39 +0000

Slowhands
Thank you so much for you help with this.
Great minds obviously think alike as I had found these census and marriage records yesterday evening. Thanks for your efforts too ... much appreciated. Interestingly Esther Marion LLoyd who married Edward Brinsford (son of Caroline nee Stephens) was the daughter of Esther LLoyd nee Stephens so they were first cousins.
Deborah

STEPHENS family St Briavels c 1830 (reply)

deborahrmgreig — Thu, 10 Jan 2008 05:01:16 +0000

Alison,
I have not been able to find any more siblings, but this does sound possible and I will see if I can find this Eliza on census to see if there are any links.
Thanks
Deborah

Caroline STEPHENS St Briavels c 1830 -1909 (reply)

slowhands — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 20:14:46 +0000

looks promising

1861
Edward Brinsford abt 1831 Alveley, Shropshire, England Lodger Aston Warwickshire

Name:Caroline Stephens
Name: Edward Brinsford
Year of Registration: 1861
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Aston
County: Warwickshire
Volume: 6d
Page: 374

1871
Edward Brinsford abt 1831 Alveley, Shropshire, England Head Handsworth Staffordshire
Caroline Brinsford abt 1830 St Brewels, Gloucestershire, England Wife Handsworth Staffordshire
Alfred E Brinsford abt 1864 Handsworth, Staffordshire, England Son Handsworth Staffordshire
Amy Brinsford abt 1868 Handsworth, Staffordshire, England Daughter Handsworth Staffordshire
James A Brinsford abt 1865 Handsworth, Staffordshire, England Son Handsworth Staffordshire

1881
Edw. Brinsford abt 1831 Alveley, Shropshire, England Head Handsworth Staffordshire
Caroline Brinsford abt 1830 St Brevells, Monmouth, Wales Wife Handsworth Staffordshire
Alfred E. Brinsford abt 1864 Birchd Handsworth, Staffordshire, England Son Handsworth Staffordshire
Amy Brinsford abt 1868 Birchd Handsworth, Staffordshire, England Daughter Handsworth Staffordshire
James A. Brinsford abt 1865 Birchd Handsworth, Staffordshire, England Son Handsworth Staffordshire

Name: Esther Marian Lloyd
Name: Alfred Edward Brinsford
Year of Registration: 1890
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Atcham
County: Montgomeryshire, Shropshire
Volume: 6a
Page: 1173

1891
Edward Birnsford abt 1831 Quatford, Shropshire, England Head Handsworth Staffordshire
Caroline Birnsford abt 1830 St Briavels, Monmouthshire, Wales Wife Handsworth Staffordshire
Amy Birnsford abt 1868 Birchfield, Staffordshire, England Daughter Handsworth Staffordshire
Alfred E Birnsford abt 1864 Birchfield, Staffordshire, England Son Handsworth Staffordshire
Marian Birnsford abt 1866 Shrewsbury Daughter-in-law Handsworth Staffordshire

1901
Edward Brinsford abt 1831 Quatford, Shropshire, England Head Kings Norton Worcestershire
Caroline Brinsford abt 1830 St Brewels, Gloucestershire, England Wife Kings Norton Worcestershire
Amy Brinsford abt 1868 Handsworth, Staffordshire, England Daughter Kings Norton Worcestershire

Name: Edward Brinsford
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1830
Year of Registration: 1903
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Age at Death: 73
District: Kings Norton (To 1912)
County: Staffordshire, Warwickshire, Worcestershire
Volume: 6c
Page: 244

Name: Caroline Brinsford
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1830
Year of Registration: 1909
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Age at Death: 79
District: Kings Norton (To 1912)
County: Staffordshire, Warwickshire, Worcestershire
Volume: 6c
Page: 270

STEPHENS family St Briavels c 1830 (reply)

alison — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 11:01:11 +0000

Do you know whether Esther had any more brothers and sisters, because there is an Eliza Stephens married at St Briavels to Thomas Priddy in 1843. The Brides Father is recorded as being Thomas Stephens.

I grew up in the St Briavels area in the 1950s/60s and there were at least 2 stephens families who had lived there for generations.

STEPHENS family St Briavels c 1830 (reply)

deborahrmgreig — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 10:17:08 +0000

Thanks very much
I am now certain having tracked them on several census returns that the Caroline Stephens to Edward Brinsford marriage in 1861 in Birmingham is the correct one as I have found Edward at the same address as Caroline's sister was married from and lodging with a John Gill who was a witness to Esther's marriage.
However, a further intrigue is that Caroline and Edward's son married Esther's daughter.... first cousins!!!
I have ordered Caroline Stephens marriage certificate to see if it gives me any more clues about her parents, my ggg grandparents.
Deborah

STEPHENS family St Briavels c 1830 (reply)

jimashton — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 08:29:41 +0000

Hi Deborah

The Caroline Stevens who married William Roberts was the daughter of Robert Stevens and Mary Ann Manning. Caroline and William had 9 children. Caroline was baptised 22.7.1838 Drybrook and died Newport 1900. The following is a good indication that you cannot trust census ages as you see Caroline aged only 4 years between 1851 & 1861 :

1851 Census
76
STEPHENS Robert Widow/er 46 Collier East Dean
Caroline 14 East Dean

1861 Census East Dean
Robert Stephens 56 Widower Coal Miner East Dean
Caroline dtr 18 Servant East Dean

Jim Ashton

STEPHENS family St Briavels c 1830 (reply)

deborahrmgreig — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 08:05:42 +0000

Just found Caroline's marriage by a bit of detective work.
Saw a marriage record in Westbury on Severn 1861 to a William Roberts so searched for this couple in 1871 and found that this was not my Caroline, but the Caroline born c 1837 in East Dean.
So followed a hunch and searched in Birmingham where her sister Esther, my gg grandma married in 1856 and found a marriage in Aston 1861 to an Edward Brinsford so searched for them in 1871 and found Esther Brinsford was born c 1831 in Gloucestershire St Briavels so I will send for this marriage certificate to see if it adds anything.
Meanwhile I will continue to search for further clues about parents Thomas and Anne Stephens.
Deborah

STEPHENS family St Briavels c 1830 (reply)

deborahrmgreig — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 07:44:25 +0000

Thanks so much for your suggestion re Caroline, much appreciated. I'll have another look for marriage records for her in the Forest in particular and elsewhere between 1851 and 1861 as I haven't found her in 1861.
The answer to your question about 'hundred of' vs village of St Briavels is that I don't know... my sources of information on this are the census of 1861, 1871 and 1881 in which my gg grandmother describes her place of birth as 'Gloucestershire St Briavels' and the parish record at Llandogo (on this site) says Esther and Caroline Stephens, parents Thomas and Anne Stephens of St Briavels. Does this help?
Thanks
Deborah

Caroline STEPHENS St Briavels c 1830 (reply)

slowhands — Sun, 06 Jan 2008 21:50:41 +0000

A possible for Caroline in 1851

1851 Rodley
Caroline Stephens abt 1831 Forest of Dean, Gloucestershire, England Servant Westbury On Severn Gloucestershire

Is the link to St Briavels more "Hundred of" rather than "village of" ?

Stephens family St Briavels c 1830

deborahrmgreig — Sun, 06 Jan 2008 10:16:33 +0000

My gg grandmother Esther Stephens was baptised in Llandogo at the same time as her sister Caroline in 1830. The family were from St Briavels, parents were Thomas and Anne Stephens and at that time he was a game keeper. I have been unable to find any of the family on the 1841 or 1851 census.

Esther married by Licence in Birmingham in 1856 (not sure why as her husband was from Shrewsbury!) her father Thomas appears to have still been alive then and was recorded as a farmer. The 1861 and 1871 census both have Anne Stephens (born c 1796) a widow with dtr Esther (born c 1827) living in Shrewsbury and show both mother and daughter were born in St Briavels.

I live in Gloucestershire myself and this is the only part of my family tree with local links. Can anyone suggest how I might find further information about Thomas and Anne Stephens or the early life of their daughter, my gg grandmother Esther?
Many thanks

Deborah