Forest of Dean FHT Forum - Joseph AMBREY 1817 Longhope

Joseph AMBREY 1817 Longhope (reply)

slowhands — Wed, 22 Oct 2008 01:14:40 +0000

Year: 1817
Month: Apl
Day: 23
Parents_Surname: AMBREY [?]
Child_Forenames: Joseph
Fathers_Forenames: Joseph
Mothers_Forenames: Mary
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Longhope
Occupation: Farmer
Officiating_Minister: E[dwar]d Probyn Curate
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P206 IN 1/4
Page_Number: 13
Parish_Chapel: Longhope

Ambury & Hall (reply)

mchatt — Wed, 22 Oct 2008 00:34:52 +0000

Further to Joseph Ambury - I have just been given the birthday book which belonged to his granddaughter Annie Maisey, daughter of Anna Ambury. In it she gives the entry on August 6th "Joseph Ambury, 1816. Died at Remuera, Auckland, NZ June 9th 1898"
She also has Dec 16 "Joseph Ambury Jun, 1847 died April 1937"
Aug 19 "Mary J Ambury"
Nov 17 "Stephen James Ambury"
Jun 13 "Sarah Ann Ambury, died July 13th '33 aged 80"
May 13 "Arthur Ambury, died Jan 1943"
Feb 5 "Walter Ambury, 1858, died Oct 1943"
Jun 16 "L John Ambury, 1862"
Dec 18 " Anna Ambury, 1862, died Aug 1st,1939"

sh also has an entry on July 29, Joseph Ambury Senr. married '46 at Newnham Church.
This confirms which Joseph is mine, now all I need is confirmation as to who is his father.

Regards

Ambury & Hall (reply)

rhianonturrell — Mon, 06 Oct 2008 21:17:37 +0000

I do have some information on Joseph Ambrey and his family. First of all there are several Ambrey families in the area at the time of Joseph's birth (1816-1818) and they all have a habit of naming their sons Joseph or William, as they are all distantly related.

You record Joseph as born at Longhope but christened at English Bicknor. I believe that your Joseph is the one baptised at Longhope in 1817, son of Joseph and Mary as I have a Joseph christened at E. Bicknor in 1816 son of William and Mary who is the brother of Ann Ambrey from whom I am directly descended. There is also a Joseph Ambrey baptised in English Bicknor in 1818 son of Joseph and Mary Anne who could just be your Joseph, but I think the Longhope one is more likely, unless you know differently.

I have a copy of a will of a Joseph Ambrey in 1825 who decribes himself as of Morastone, Peterstowe, Hereford but gives his son Joseph properties at Aston Ingham and Longhope where your Joseph later resided. As well as Joseph, his son, he mentions his sons John, Anthony, Robert and James, and his daughter Anne or Anna. His wife is Mary. I also have copied a will dated 1862 where a Joseph Ambrey leaves property at Longhope to daughters Eliza and Elizabeth, money to daughter Jane, and mentions grandson James, the same land at Aston Ingham to his son Joseph, other grandchildren- Mark,William and Joseph Drinkwater There are quite a lot of wills available on line at the Public Record office, also an online index of wills at Gloucestershire record office.

It may not be connected but a Mary Ambrey dies at Longhope in 1818 aged 33.
I think the Joseph you are descended from (if it is the one who makes the will proved in1825) may have married Mary Morris in 1809 in Bridstow as the Joseph at that marriage describes himself as of Longhope. The witnesses are Joseph Ambrey and Mary Phelps. There is however as usual another Joseph getting marries to a Mary Bennett in 1810 in E.Bicknor.

If your Joseph is the one marrying Mary Morris then his father is Anthony Ambrey, mother Jane Jones and is the same line as my husband is descended from. Anthony is one of the brothers of yet another Joseph from whom I am descended!

Complicated or what? Some of this is tenuous as there are other Josephs around who could fit the bill, and it seems from some of the wills cousins lived in the property of other cousins so it is very confusing. I have been working on and off on these lines for quite a few years and I'm still not sure I have the right connections.

Ambury & Hall (reply)

DebAmbury — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 09:12:26 +0000

Hi Rhianon
Thank you so much for that information thats great and should be of some help.

Take Care Debs

Ambury & Hall (reply)

rhianonturrell — Mon, 28 Apr 2008 09:58:48 +0000

Hello Deb
I have been looking through my collection of wills and the majority are from Gloucester or Hereford Record Offices. The ones available on the internet are at the national Archives www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline You need to search all the permutations of the surname but the ones of most interest are Joseph Ambery of Peterstow and William Ambery of English Bicknor. Gloucestershire record office have a list of a lot of their wills on line which I imagine could be ordered, but this can get expensive.They are at www.gloucestershire.gov.uk
Hope this helps a bit for the time being
Rhianon

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DebAmbury — Sun, 27 Apr 2008 12:04:16 +0000

Hi Rhianon
That would be great any help would be appreciated. I'm actually lost to my Gt x how many Grandad Thomas, making guess'es at present, but will get there I'm in contact with many people now trying to link them all up, and I'm sure we'll get there. I tried this evening to find the wills and not sure how you got them?? if its easy for me to find please just e-mail me the link as would hate the thought of taking up your happy retirement time, you just enjoy it!!!! but any help would be most appreciated.
I'm actually in touch with a descendant of the Joseph line and told her tonight I may hopefully have some info her in New Zealand, I didn't realise it costs them alot of money to find out so I'm trying to help them with anything.

Take Care, Good Night Debbie Ambury

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rhianonturrell — Sun, 27 Apr 2008 11:11:22 +0000

Hello Deb,
I am not surprised you are confused,there are so many Ambrey/burys with the same christian names, and most living in a relatively small area of Gloucestershire and Herefordshire. I was just about to go to bed when I picked up your message, but will try to answer your questions this week. Basically a lot of the properties do not have specific names in English Bicknor, but can be identified over the years from the wills. I am retiring in July and hope to spend some time sorting them all out, and hopefully putting some on this site - grandchildren permitting!
Rhianon

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DebAmbury — Sun, 27 Apr 2008 10:08:32 +0000

Hi I wondered if you might help, I've been going the cencus with the name Ambury and soundex etc and have sat this afternoon going back over my 'trees' now I have on the English 1841 cencus that Joseph b 1791 Peterstow was living at Hope Brook Farm with his wife Eliza, Joseph 1817, Elizabeth b1834 and Eliza b1836, I also have a Joseph b1791 English Bicknor St Briavells, wife Mary and a Joseph b 1821.
My first Joseph in future cencus shows the family who later emigrated to New Zealand.
My question is these wills as to which Josephs wrote them as you mention that one mentions his siblings William and Anne and then another mentions his other sons as John, Anthony, Robert and James who I also have family trees for.
Also could you tell me the actual names of the land if possible as can check out the addresses.
It crossed my mind that Joseph and Mary had Joseph, John etc around 1790, who then went on to have Joseph, Elzabeth and Eliza.
Oh so confussed!!!!
Do hope you can help?? as I'm trying to tie in all the families and so close but yet so far.
My GT GT Grandad is Thomas Ambury born Abergavenny who I think is descendant from John b 1791 peterstow I think his mother Frances may of died in child birth as she disappears at this time, if you have any info on that I would be most grateful also.

Thanks, Take Care Debbie Ambury

Ambury & Hall - English Bicknor & St Briavels (reply)

DebAmbury — Fri, 25 Apr 2008 07:10:57 +0000

Hi I know you posted this some time ago but the Williams you are refering to are my Great and Great great Grandad would love to know some more if you can help. I know they ran the Pack Horse Inn in Hereford and after a big family fall out William junior and his brother John moved to Llanharry South wales, I didn't realise william Snr was still alive then??
Thanks Debs ( still an Ambury as never married)

Ambury & Hall - English Bicknor & St Briavels (reply)

monfamilies — Sun, 03 Feb 2008 14:35:44 +0000

I have insolvent debtors & Will refering to William Ambury of English Bicknor snr & jnr dating abt 1832

Bristol (reply)

mchatt — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 00:44:34 +0000

Thanks for that, I copied it from the 1881 census. I may have copied it incorrectly.
I appreciate your comment. We have to be picky if we are going to keep things correct.

Ambury & Hall (reply)

patsy — Thu, 31 Jan 2008 23:08:12 +0000

I have little on this line. I have yet to send for certificates. Briefly:
IGI
Charlotte CONSTANCE bpt 19 April 1848 at Blakeney Glos. SILAS AND ANN CONSTANCE
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Charlotte my gt gt grandmother d. aged only 26 1873 Monmouth.
Her husband Thomas YEATES died aged 27 1873. Do not have certs. and will send as a little odd. Presume C. to have died as a result of childbirth /Thomas Henry Yeates aged 0.
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From Census and IGI:
Silas CONSTANCE and Ann ( poss. Mary Ann Sterry)
Poss. children:
THEOPHILUS 1843 BLAKENEY
CHARLOTTE 1848 """""""""
HENRY 1853 MONMOUTH
PETER 1857"""""""""

From BMD a SILAS CONSTANCE d. Dec. qua 1880 aged 60

I know that there was a THEOPHILUS CONSTANCE b. approx 1762 LONGHOPE bur 1810.
A Theo m. a MARY DAWES 1788 ENGLISH BICKNOR

Many thanks for your kind reply and wonder if you have come across SILAS CONSTANCE?

I know that there is a Longhope connection as Ann living there with her son Peter in 1881.
Patsy

Bristol (reply)

slowhands — Thu, 31 Jan 2008 20:36:32 +0000

- hope you don't think I'm being picky but that'll be the Bristol Royal Infirmary founded 1735/37 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bristol_Royal_Infirmary

Ambury & Hall (reply)

mchatt — Thu, 31 Jan 2008 12:50:10 +0000

Do you have anything on these Ambury

Joseph Ambury m unknown

Children Joseph b 16 Aug 1816 Longhope, bap 10 Nov 1816 English Bicknor
d 9 Jun 1898 NZ
William (Ambary) bap 18 Apr 1820 English Bicknor
Anne bap 7 Sep 1923 English Bicknor

Joseph (1816) m 29 Jul 1846,Newnham, Westbury S - Ann Constance b 10 Jul 1817

Chn of Joseph and Ann
Joseph b 16 Dec 1847 Aston Ingham bap 22 Jan 1848 Aston Ingham
Mary Jane b 19 Aug 1849, bap 23 Sep 1849, Aston Ingham
Stephen James b 17 Nov 1851 Aston Ingham, bap 1 Dec 1851 Aston Ingham
Sarah Ann b 13 Jul 1853 Longhope
Arthur b 13 May 1855 Upper Longhope
Walter b 5 Feb 1858 Longhope
Luther John b 16 Jun 1860 Longhope
Anna Ambury b 18 Dec 1862 Longhope

Ann (Constance) Ambury died 15 Aug 1876 at Hartsbourne, Longhope

In 1881 Census
Joseph (1847)Farmer aged 33 with a farm of 102 acres employing 2 men 1 boy.
living at Chessgrove Farm, Longhope, Gloucester

Mary Jane Ambury may be married to Charles Jones

Sarah Ann working in The "British Royal Infirmary" Marlborough Street, Bristol aged 27, unmarried, laundry Maid ( Domestic)

Arthur Silk mercer aged 25, living at 19 All St Terrace, Cheltenham, Gloucester

Walter living at 50 Wines Street, Bristol Christchurch, Gloucestershire,
Head of the household, unmarried, aged 23, occupation - drapers salesman with 21 other men all with the same occupation, and 9 women - domestic servants.

After 1881 all the family - Joseph (widower) and all the children, their wives and families came to live in New Zealand were they died and their descendants still live.

Do you have any link with this family?

Ambury & Hall (reply)

mchatt — Thu, 31 Jan 2008 12:10:24 +0000

Ann Constance b 10 Jul 1817 Longhope,bap 22 Jul 1817,d 15 Aug 1876 Hartsbourne, Longhope buried at Mitcheldean Congregational Churchyard
daughter of John Constance bap 26 Sep 1779, Longhope and Hannah Daw.
m 13 Sep 1803 Longhope
Ann had 4 known siblings
John bap 22 Sep 1805, Longhope
Charles bap 3 May 1812, Longhope d 25 Mar 1814
Hannah bap 5 Mar 1815, Longhope
Amos bap 5 Dec 1819 Longhope d 12 Jul 1888

John Constance (1779) son of Thomas Constance (possible birth 1751, m 1776, d 9 Mar 1788) and Ann ?

John had 3 known siblings
Elizabeth bap 8 Feb 1778
Thomas bap 7 Oct 1781
Joseph bap 3 Oct 1784
I don't know anything more about them.

Does this fit in with yours?

Ambury & Hall (reply)

patsy — Sun, 27 Jan 2008 23:13:44 +0000

I have Constances in my line at Monmouth ( poss. originating in LONGHOPE).

My gt x2 grandmother was a CHARLOTTE CONSTANCE. Wonder if your line connects?

Patsy

Ambury & Hall (reply)

rhianonturrell — Sun, 27 Jan 2008 05:54:04 +0000

I have a lot of information on the Ambreys of English Bicknor, from whom I am descended. Which particular branch are you interested in?

Ambury & Hall (reply)

mchatt — Sat, 26 Jan 2008 22:22:50 +0000

Hi, I have Joseph Ambury bapt 10 Nov 1816 English Bicknor son of Joseph Ambury & ?. Joseph married Ann Constance 29 Jul 1846 Newnham Church, Westbury S.
They had 8 children and came to New Zealand after 1876 when Ann died.
Joseph had 2 siblings William and Anne.
Joseph is my husbands G G Grandfather.

McHatt

Ambury & Hall - English Bicknor & St Briavels

monfamilies — Sat, 26 Jan 2008 06:06:15 +0000

Anyone researching the Ambury family of English Bicknor & Hall of St Briavels