Forest of Dean FHT Forum - William BROWN, Barn Hill, Wynols Hill House, Camp 61

William BROWN, Barn Hill, Wynols Hill House, Camp 61 (reply)

Jefff — Sun, 15 Jul 2018 15:59:32 +0000

Hi StA, and a very warm welcome to the forum.
Re Wynols Hill House, if you try searching this forum (see search box top right) you can find a few prior threads where it's mentioned, indeed it's possible this will work for yr Brown family queries too.

Ref the House, this website about the P.O.W. Camp 61 states it was demolished soon after WW2. These links are prob best opended in a new tab/window.
http://www.pastscape.org.uk/hob.aspx?hob_id=1381089&sort=4&search=all&crite...

The above info was also mentioned in this prior thread
http://forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=35268

Photos of the house, and an article abt mineowner William Brown, here
https://www.sungreen.co.uk/Broadwell/wynols_hill_house.html

This prior thread is about Amos William Brown, mother nee Martin, who I think may be the same man your looking for ?
http://forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=42659

----

As you've probably seen, this site's PRs have;

Record_ID: 55792
Entry_Number: 376
Year: 1950
Month: Mar
Day: 11
Surname: BROWN
Forenames: Benjamin Martin
Residence: Laburnum House Broadwell Glos
Age_at_death: 78 years
Officiating_Minister: Wyndham Jones vicar & Hon. Canon
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda: old church yard grave re-opened
Notes:
Register_Reference: P82 IN 1/17
Page_No: 47
Parish_Chapel: Christchurch
Soundex: B650

So born abt 1872

----

FamilySearch has various Census' for Benjamin including these;

1911 Coleford, West Dean, Monmouthshire, England
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Benjamin M Brown Head M 39 COLLIER PROPRIETOR. Broadwell Lane End West Dean Gloucester, Gloucestershire
Eleanor Brown Wife F 40 Broadwell Lane End West Dean Gloucester, Gloucestershire
Martin H Brown Son M 17 FARMER DUTIES COLLIER OUTSIDE. Broadwell Lane End West Dean Gloucester, Gloucestershire
William J Brown Son M 13 Broadwell Lane End West Dean Gloucester, Gloucestershire
Margery Brown Daughter F 11 Broadwell Lane End West Dean Gloucester, Gloucestershire
Beatrice E Brown Daughter F 9 Broadwell Lane End West Dean Gloucester, Gloucestershire
Annis Brown Daughter F 7 Broadwell Lane End West Dean Gloucester, Gloucestershire
Irene A Brown Daughter F 5 Broadwell Lane End West Dean Gloucester, Gloucestershire
Eleanor Brown Daughter F 3 Broadwell Lane End West Dean Gloucester, Gloucestershire
Benjamin G W Brown Son M 0 Broadwell Lane End West Dean Gloucester, Gloucestershire

1881 West Dean (Gloucs), Monmouthshire, Wales
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
William Brown Head M 57 Coal miner. West Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Arabella Brown Wife F 54 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Amos Brown Son M 22 Coal miner. West Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Milcah Brown Daughter F 15 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Benjamin M Brown Son M 9 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England

---
Assume that Benjamin's older brother Amos is the one you mention ??

If so then this site's PRs have;

Record_ID: 111015
Entry_Number:
Year: 1858
Month: Nov
Day: 21
Parents_Surname: BROWN
Child_Forenames: Amos William
Fathers_Forenames: William
Mothers_Forenames: Arabella
Mothers_Surname:
Residence:
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister:
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: Born Oct 20 [1858]
Notes: Any abbreviated forenames have been expanded to the full name
Register_Reference: D5533 1/1
Page_Number: 76
Parish_Chapel: Coleford Congregational
Soundex: B650

Record_ID: 159965
Entry_Number: 468
Year: 1884
Month: oct
Day: 11
Grooms_Surname: BROWN
Grooms_Forenames: Amos
Grooms_Age: 25
Groom_Condition: Batchelor
Grooms_Occupation: Collier
Grooms_Residence: Lane End
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Brown
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: William
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Collier
Brides_Surname: EBBORN
Brides_Forenames: Mary Ann
Brides_Age: 20
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Residence: Berry Hill
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Ebborn
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: William
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Farmer
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: both sign
Witness_1: William Ebborn
Witness_2: Bella Brown
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: Jo[hn] Jo[seph] Elsworth Vicar
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P245 IN 1/21
Page_Number: 234
Parish_Chapel: Parkend
Soundex_Groom: B650
Soundex_Bride: E165

Record_ID: 55205
Entry_Number:
Year: 1930
Month: Sep
Day: 16
Surname: BROWN
Forenames: Amos William
Residence: Coleford
Age_at_death: 71
Officiating_Minister: Wyndham Jones vicar
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P82 IN 1/16
Page_No: 49
Parish_Chapel: Christchurch
Soundex: B650

Again from FamilySearch can find this, looks like a transcription error with his name ?

1901 Barn Hill Lane End, Coleford, West Dean(Gloucs), Monmouthshire, England
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Amos N Brown Head M 42 COLLIERY PROPRIETOR. West Dean, Gloucestershire
Mary A Brown Wife F 36 Newland, Gloucestershire
Jemima Brown Daughter F 14 West Dean, Gloucestershire
Fanny Brown Daughter F 12 West Dean, Gloucestershire
Mary I Brown Daughter F 6 West Dean, Gloucestershire
Winifred A Brown Daughter F 2 West Dean, Gloucestershire
Emma E Brown Daughter F 1 West Dean, Gloucestershire

--------------

An Amos Brown is mentioned in the superb Lightmoor site's histories of two FoD pits near to Coleford, Speedwell and Union. The Union reference shows he was present at the disaster of 1902 which claimed four lives due to flooding.
See
http://lightmoor.co.uk/forestcoal/CoalSpeedwell.html
http://lightmoor.co.uk/forestcoal/CoalUnion.html
https://www.sungreen.co.uk/Broadwell/Union-Mine.html
http://www.christchurchfod.org.uk/cguide.html

Some of the above has already been covered in the aforementioned prior thread.

Hope this helps, Jeff.

William BROWN, Barn Hill, West Dean (reply)

StA — Sun, 15 Jul 2018 13:54:20 +0000

To Chris, are you still researching the Brown family from Coleford Gloucester?
I am Gilbert Benjamin's son, (Roger) Dad was the youngest son of Benjamin Martin Brown.
I am also interested in the mines owned By Amos Martin Brown. Also what happed to Wynols Hill House,
can anyone help, please?

William BROWN, Barn Hill, West Dean (reply)

Chrisbean — Thu, 27 Apr 2006 06:59:11 +0000

May sorry it has taken time to reply but problems with computer, I am the grandson of Besse Brown who was the oldest daughter of Benjamin Martin Brown who was the youngest son of William Brown, they lived in Broadwell from the late 1870 when my grandmother was born. Hope this is enogh info for you to remember them.

Chris

William BROWN, Barn Hill, West Dean (reply)

May — Wed, 05 Apr 2006 11:53:29 +0000

You will find Barn Hill Lodge searching www.Old-maps.co.uk for Coleford (Glos)and then click in the north east of the image to centre on Broadwell Lane End.

Enlarge the image and you will see Barn Hill Lodge and its field immediately below the "n" of Lane in "Broadwell Lane End". It is not marked as The Lodge but I lived too long in Broadwell not to know exactly where it is.

You could refer to previous messages (May last year?) about Barn Hill by typing Barn Hill in the search box of this message board.

Are you connected to one of the Brown families that lived in North Road, Broadwell in the 1950's? If so, and out of interest, which one?

William BROWN, Barn Hill, West Dean (reply)

shepway — Fri, 31 Mar 2006 20:50:55 +0000

A search of Christchurch Marriage Registers on this site gives you the following:
15 November 1845 William BROWN age 20, Collier of Christchurch and son of John BROWN, Collier married Arabella MARTIN, aged 18 of Christchurch and daughter of Richard Martin, Collier. Witnesses: James POWELL and Ann MARTIN

I am having difficulty in tracing a John BROWN match in the 1851 Census. There is a family nearby but they have an unmarried son William!

Living either side of William and Arabella in 1851 were:
All that part of the Township of West Dean comprising the Perch and Buckholt Inclosures, Cannop Chemical Works Vallets Level the North side of the Turnpike Road from Coleford to Little Dean, Coleford Lane End, Five Acres and New Thatch or Independent Pit

2444 0293 054 Lane End POWEL James HD M 35 Coal Miner GLS West Dean
2444 0293 054 Lane End POWEL Mary WI M 42 - GLS West Dean
2444 0293 054 Lane End POWEL Thomas SO U 14 Coal Miner GLS West Dean
2444 0293 054 Lane End POWEL Emma DA U 11 At Home GLS West Dean
2444 0293 054 Lane End POWEL Hubert SO - 9 Coal Miner GLS West Dean
2444 0293 054 Lane End POWEL Frank SO - 7 Scholar GLS West Dean
2444 0293 054 Lane End POWEL Thursa DA - 5 At Home GLS West Dean
2444 0293 054 Lane End POWEL Rosa DA - 2 At Home GLS West Dean
2444 0293 054 Lane End GODWIN William LG U 19 Coal Miner GLS West Dean

2444 0293 052 Lane End MARTIN Richard HD M 50 Coal Miner GLS West Dean
2444 0293 052 Lane End MARTIN Jemima WI M 49 - GLS West Dean
2444 0293 052 Lane End MARTIN William SO U 19 Coal Miner GLS West Dean
2444 0293 052 Lane End MARTIN Enock SO U 14 Scholar GLS West Dean
2444 0293 052 Lane End MARTIN Richard SO - 11 Collier GLS West Dean

Mike

Brown (reply)

ChrisBean — Fri, 31 Mar 2006 08:24:37 +0000

Yes am still very interested, have been looking for Brown's in the Forest for years.

My GGGrandfather was William b.1824 son of John.

Please contact me off list as I have a lot of information on william's brothers John and Henry who went to U.S.A. and New Zealand.

Chris

Brown (reply)

unknown — Tue, 28 Mar 2006 08:32:10 +0000

Chris Bean, Are you still interested in the Brown family from Newland?

I have a possible connection to them.

John Brown b 1787 Berry Hill d 1871 Coleford
Fanny b 1790 Hillersland d 1881 Berry Hill

Jane b1811 English Bicknor
James b1820 English Bicknor
John b1822 English Bicknor

Brown 1841 (reply)

slowhands — Thu, 03 Mar 2005 22:22:21 +0000

a Candidate in 1841 Milkwall

HO 107 / 365/ vol 3 Folio 44

John Brown 50 Collier
Frances 50
John 19
William 15
Henry 6

All born in county

Brown (reply)

slowhands — Thu, 03 Mar 2005 20:11:08 +0000

In general the 1841 only recorded born "in county" or "not" !

it might give a clearer indication of where he was living in 1841

Brown (reply)

Chris Bean — Wed, 02 Mar 2005 20:08:29 +0000

Many thanks slowhands for the information. I would be grateful for any information on the 1841 census as I have no details as to where William was born. Thanks again.
Chris

Brown (reply)

slowhands — Tue, 01 Mar 2005 21:38:18 +0000

Barn Hill Plantation/Inclosure is to the west of Cannop ponds.
Barn Hill Lodge must be nearby, towards Coleford.

Lane End is the district from Palmers Flat out to Five Acres , roughly to the East of Coleford.

In 1851 West Dean

BROWN William 27 Coal Miner West Dean
Arabella 21 West Dean
James 4 Scholar West Dean
Emma 2 West Dean

In 1871 this looks like his family
recorded as Littledean Lane End , West Dean

William Brown 47 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head
Arabella Brown 42 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife
Amos Brown 12 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son
Arra Bella Brown 7 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter
Hannah Brown 1 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter
milcha Brown 5 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter

Source information: RG10/5300
Registration district: Monmouth
Sub-registration district: Coleford
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Folio: 23
Page: 39
Household schedule number: 199

In 1881

Amos Brown abt 1859 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean
Arabella Brown abt 1827 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean
Benjamin M. Brown abt 1872 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean
Milcah Brown abt 1866 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean
William Brown abt 1824 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean

Address: Barn Hill Lane End
Civil parish: West Dean
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Source information: RG11/5225
Registration district: Monmouth
Sub-registration district: Coleford
ED, institution, or vessel: 20
Folio: 19
Page: 4

In 1891

Brown, Arabella 64 West Dean, Gloucestershire Wife West Dean Gloucestershire
Brown, William 67 West Dean, Gloucestershire Head West Dean Gloucestershire

William BROWN, Barn Hill, West Dean

Chris Bean — Tue, 01 Mar 2005 18:04:45 +0000

This is my Gt Grandfather, William Brown born 1824 Barn Hill,West Dean. Cannot find Barn Hill - would like to know where this is and any other Brown family members.