Forest of Dean FHT Forum - John WILLARS/WILLATS + Maria HAWKINS/HOWKINS

John WILLARS/WILLATS + Maria HAWKINS/HOWKINS (reply)

brenton — Thu, 26 Feb 2015 22:15:36 +0000

I had looked at this before so I will go back and take another look.
Thanks.

Finding wife of John WILLETTS (reply)

brenton — Thu, 26 Feb 2015 22:12:33 +0000

Yes this does have me stuck.

Finding wife of John WILLETTS (reply)

brenton — Thu, 26 Feb 2015 22:11:35 +0000

Thanks for the thread if John was baptised in 1810 he could be older therefore could have married Susannah. His death information says he was 74 years when he died though

Finding wife of John WILLETTS, c 1830s Blakeney Hill. (reply)

brenton — Thu, 26 Feb 2015 22:06:50 +0000

Hi Jeff Thanks for your help. I believe Sarah James parents were Henry JAMES and Mary TINGLE. I don't think John was John Smith Willetts he married Matilda COLE.

Berrow HAWKINS - Sentenced to Death (reply)

MPGriffiths — Thu, 26 Feb 2015 10:04:41 +0000

If Berrow Hawkins is the father of Maria HAWKINS who married John WILL's in 1829 (although the Memoranda does say with consent of parents)

He was sentenced to death Lent 1819 for Sheep Stealing (Ancestry)

On the Gloucestershire Genealogical Database : Berrow is aged 54 and from Blakeney - 9 November 1818 - but Berrow and Margaret did have a Son - Thomas was was probably the Thomas HAWKINS a witness at the marriage in 1829.

John WILLARS/WILLATS + Maria HAWKINS/HOWKINS (reply)

MPGriffiths — Thu, 26 Feb 2015 09:41:25 +0000

On the Forest of Dean records, there is a Marriage at Awre of John WILLARS of the Forest of Dean, marrying Maria HAWKINS - 22 October 1829 - no parents names given - but Memoranda: with Consent of Parents - as John would seem to be quite young on the census returns, this could be the marriage: Witnesses: Thomas HAWKINS and Charles FENNELL

Looking on Ancestry, John is John WILLATS and Maria is HOWKINS

Banns called - 4/11/18 October

From my past experience in my family tree - I do have children whose mother's name is either Mary or Ann - so this might be worth a bit more research.

Fod Records

Baptism at Awre - 22 December 1811

Mary Ann HAWKINS

parents William & Ann (mother's maiden name CHARLES)**

Memoranda: Blakeney Chapel, BT's show child's forename as Mary Ann and mother's forename as Anne

There is a son of John & Ann names: Charles c1834

also: a Maria HAWKINS born to a Berrow & Margaret at Awre 1810 - and a Thomas - 1808 - Barron & Margaret (nee BYRKIN)

Marriages at Awre

William HAWKINS married Ann CHARLES - 15 July 1804 - witnesses: Richard & Elizabeth NELMES
Barrow HAWKINS married Margarett BYRKIN - 4 August 1805

1841 Census, Newnham, Viney Hill

HAWKINS

Thomas - 30
Sarah - 20
Margaret - 65
Emma - 7
Ann - 5
Elizabeth - 9 months
Elizabeth ADAMS - 6
Edwin HAWKINS - 20

Fod Records - Marriage at Newland - 9 March 1840

Thomas HAWKINS (Widower, father Bettow HAWKINS, Quarryman)

married
Sarah ADAMS

Thomas HAWKINS appears to have first married Mary PARADISE at Awre 14 March 1829 - and one witness was William HAWKINS

Finding wife of John WILLETTS (reply)

Simone — Wed, 25 Feb 2015 22:16:06 +0000

Lol thanks Chris ! Wasn't thinking straight was I ! Thought it was a long shot anyway given time between marriage and children ;)

Simone

Finding wife of John WILLETTS (reply)

ChrisW — Wed, 25 Feb 2015 21:17:33 +0000

Hi Simone

John would only have been about 12 years old in 1823?

Difficult one this isn't it?!

Regards
Chris

Finding wife of John WILLETTS (reply)

Simone — Wed, 25 Feb 2015 20:49:36 +0000

Not sure but may be worth looking into further?

There is a Rudge marriage at Newland with John Willetts and Susannah Willetts as witnesses

27975
Entry_Number 97
Year 1830
Month Oct.
Day 31
Grooms_Surname RUDGE
Grooms_Forenames William
Grooms_Age [not
Groom_Condition Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation [not stated]
Grooms_Residence Hundred of St Briavels
Grooms_Fathers_Surname [not stated]
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames [not stated]
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation [not stated]
Brides_Surname MARSHALL
Brides_Forenames Ann
Brides_Age [not
Brides_Condition Spinster
Brides_Occupation [not stated]
Brides_Residence Hundred of St Briavels
Brides_Fathers_Surname [not stated]
Brides_Fathers_Forenames [not stated]
Brides_Fathers_Occupation [not stated]
Licence_or_Banns Banns
Date_of_Banns [not stated]
Signature_or_Mark Both mark
Witness_1 John Willetts
Witness_2 Susannah Willetts
Other_Witnesses
Officiating_Minister Yate Fosbroke Curate
Event Marriage
Memoranda
Notes
Register_Reference P175 IN 1/5
Page_Number 33
Parish_Chapel Hewelsfield
Soundex_Groom R320
Soundex_Bride M624

There is a marriage in Bishop's transcrpits for Monmouth on Ancestry in 1823 for John Willetts to Susannah Rudge

John Willetts
Gender:Male
Marriage Date:18 May 1823
Marriage Place: Bts, Monmouth, Monmouth, England
Spouse: Susanna Rudge
FHL Film Number:992324
Reference ID:cn 254

thought maybe Susannah could be Ann as it wasn't unusual for names Susannah/ Hannah/ Ann to be same person.

Simone

Finding wife of John WILLETTS, c 1830s Blakeney Hill. (reply)

Jefff — Wed, 25 Feb 2015 03:45:58 +0000

Hi Brent, welcome to the forum !
Must be quick I'm afraid as was about to shut down for the night, very late now in UK.
I see you've been on the site for a few years, and at first glance looks like you've followed the right trail from the PRs etc, I too cannot see a marriage to Ann, but early days yet.

Meanwhile, have you seen this related old thread, found from searching this forum. It doesn't answer your question but hopefully helps confirm your work so far, and includes the Marriage PR for John & Sarah.
www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=32423

Admin, please could you attach this new thread onto the old one, for easier reference, thanks ?

These are the Baptisms you mention, plus a few more possibles? that may ?? be the same family, not sure yet without seeing the Census's.

Year Parents_Surname Child_Forenames Fathers_Forenames Mothers_Forenames Mothers_Surname Residence Occupation Parish_Chapel
1834 WILLETTS Charles, John & Ann, Blakeney Hill, Plasterer Blakeney
1835 WILLETTS Joseph, John & Ann, Blakeney Hill, Plasterer Blakeney
1835 WILLETTS Richard, John & Ann, Blakeney Hill, Plasterer Blakeney
1836 WILLETTS Ellen, John & Sarah, Blakeney Hill, Tiler Blakeney
1838 WILLETTS Charles, John & Sarah, Blakeney Hill, Mason Blakeney
1839 WILLETTS Lucy, John & Sarah, Blakeney, Mason Blakeney
1841 WILLETTS Elizabeth, John & Sarah Blakeney Hill, Mason Blakeney
1844 WILLETTS Ann, John & Sarah Blakeney Hill, Mason Blakeney
1848 WILLETTS Ahei, John & Sarah, Blakeney Hill, Labourer Blakeney
1850 WILLETTS George, John & Sarah, Blakeney Hill, Labourer Blakeney
1852 WILLETTS Elizabeth, John & Sarah, Blakeney Hill, Labourer Blakeney
1854 WILLETTS Lydia, John & Sarah, Blakeney Hill, Plasterer Blakeney
1858 WILLETTS Frederick, John & Sarah, Blakeney Hill, Mason Blakeney

The Census shows John as born abt 1811, I think this MAY be his Baptism from this site's PRs ?;
Record_ID: 187563
Entry_Number: 10
Year: 1810
Month: Feb
Day: 18
Parents_Surname: WILLETTS
Child_Forenames: John Smith
Fathers_Forenames: Joseph
Mothers_Forenames: Mary
Mothers_Surname:
Residence:
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister:
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: S[on] of
Notes: Child's name expanded
Register_Reference: P209 IN 1/2
Page_Number: 88
Parish_Chapel: Lydney
Soundex: W432

Even knowing the witnesses at their marriage, Charles & Hannah James, I cannot start to guess a Baptism for wife Sarah James' baptism, despite the Census giving her birth abt 1816, there are several possibles to choose from... but none with parents Charles or Hannah ??
Assuming that is she was baptised locally, or maybe they are siblings, perhaps ??

SO, nothing more yet, and really must go now. Hopefully more progress tomorrow, J

Finding wife of John WILLETTS

brenton — Wed, 25 Feb 2015 00:52:31 +0000

Hi I am a newbie my great grandfather George WILLETTS (B 5 April 1850) emigrated to New Zealand with his wife Sarah (nee LEWIN) in 1873. His father John Willetts from Blakeney Hill married Ann? and they had three children, Charles 1934, Joseph 1835, Richard 1835.Charles may have died in infancy. John then married Sarah James in 1835.
I cannot find any marriage or death deaths for Ann except for the christening records. The two sons appear on the census returns for John and Sarah so I must have the right family. Can anyone help me. Brent