Forest of Dean FHT Forum - Cornelius BRAIN m Leah GARDNER

Cornelius BRAIN m Leah GARDNER (reply)

jimashton — Sun, 11 Apr 2010 15:34:19 +0000

Thank you Slowhands - I just knew you would be up to the challenge !!

Jim

Cornelius BRAIN m Leah GARDNER (reply)

slowhands — Sat, 10 Apr 2010 18:27:59 +0000

Name: Leah Rich
Name: Emanuel Gardener
Year of Registration: 1852
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Westbury On Severn
County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 320

followed by -

Name:Leah Gardner
Name: Cornelius Brain
Year of Registration: 1857
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Westbury On Severn
County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 371

< Challenge accepted :-) >

James BRAIN born East Dean 1782 (reply)

jimashton — Sat, 10 Apr 2010 16:25:43 +0000

James Brain 1785 was one of the 7 children of Giles Brain 1749 & Ann Vaughan 1745, 2 of which died young including James Brain 1783/1784. James Brain 1785 married Sarah Drew on 17 Oct 1808, they had 9 children including Simeon 1819 who married Ann Marfell 1824 at Hope Mansell 23 May 1845.

Simeon Brain was my 3rd cousin 4 times removed, Ann Marfell my G G G Aunt.

1851 Census East Dean.
BRAIN Simeon 31 Coal Miner East Dean
Ann 27 East Dean
Sarah 5 East Dean
Cornelius 2 East Dean
Elizabeth 8m East Dean

1861 Census East Dean Rg9 1754 273
Simeon Brain 41 Coal Miner East Dean
Ann 37 East Dean
Ellen 15 East Dean
Cornelius 12 Coal Miner East Dean
Elizabeth 10 East Dean
Lydia 7 East Dean
James 4 East Dean
Anne 2 East Dean
Giles Brain Lodger 48 widower Coal Miner East Dean
James 16 Coal Miner East Dean

1871 Census East Dean
Simeon Brain 51 Miner East Dean
Ann 47 East Dean
James 14 East Dean
Ann 12 East Dean
Simeon 7 East Dean
Hilary 4 East Dean
John 2 East Dean

Another child of James Brain 1785 & Sarah was Cornelius Brain 1827, he married Leah Rich 1822, she in turn was the daughter of Charles Rich & Sarah Brain 1781, another child of Giles Brain & Ann Vaughan.

1841 Census Ruardean
Giles Brain abt 1816 Dean Forest
Abia Brain abt 1821 Dean Forest
Cornelius Brain abt 1831 Dean Forest
Enos Brain abt 1826 Dean Forest

1851 Census East Dean
CHIVERS John Widow/er 71 Blacksmith Somerset Teinsbury ?
Jane 37 East Dean
Miriam 28 East Dean
Eliza Grand Daughter 8 East Dean
BRAIN Giles Lodger Widow/er 39 Coal Miner East Dean
James Lodger 8 East Dean
Cornelius Lodger 23 Coal Miner East Dean

1861 Census East Dean RG9 1754 270
Cornelius Brain 44 Coal Miner East Dean
Leah 38 East Dean
Ezekiah Gardiner step son 8 East Dean
Sarah Ann Brain dtr 3 East Dean
Enos Rich lodger 44 Coal Miner East Dean Leah's Brother

1851 Census
BRAIN Sarah 70 East Dean
RICH Enos 34 Coal Miner East Dean
Leah 24 East Dean
HOWES Frederick Grandson 12 East Dean

1881 Census
Leah BRAIN W 59 F East Dean, Gloucester, England
Rel: Head
Hezekiah GARDENER U 28 M East Dean, Gloucester, England
Rel: Son
Occ: Coal Miner
Elizabeth BRAIN 15 F East Dean, Gloucester, England
Rel: Daur
Enos RICH U 64 M East Dean, Gloucester, England
Rel: Boarder
Occ: Coal Miner

1891 Census East Dean RG12/2004/256
Hubert Powell 32 Coal Miner Ellwood
Sarah A 32 Ruardean
Albert 11 Ellwood
Lydia 9 Ruardean
Edward 5 Ruardean
Alfred 2 Ruardean
Howard 5 months Ruardean
Leah Brain 69 widow mother in law

Having put this together, I decided to find the first marriage of Leah Rich to Emanuel Gardener which took place in Cinderford in 1852. I cannot however find her marriage to Cornelius Brain, their first child Sarah Ann Brain was born in 1859. A challenge for someone !!

Jim Ashton

Ann Vaughan/Giles Brain marriage 1772 Ruardean (reply)

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Ann Vaughan/Giles Brain marriage 1772 Ruardean (reply)

unknown — Sat, 10 Apr 2010 14:26:05 +0000

I am also a Brain from the Forest and am trying to take the family back past Giles and Ann there were and are so many Brains in the Forest and several Giles, James and Christopher's I am truly bewildered. We have a Brain family get together in May and it would mean so much if I could progress.
My cousin is coming over from the States in a couple of weeks and we are planning some leg work
I would be obliged if you could help in any way
My Regards Diana

Littledean / Collafield BRAIN / BRAYNE links (reply)

slowhands — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 20:15:07 +0000

http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?mode=thread&id=8459#p8474

Ann Vaughan/Giles Brain marriage 1772 Ruardean (reply)

mbarrett — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 08:25:34 +0000

Hello,

This is the first time I've posted, so please forgive any mistakes. I'm a direct descendant of Giles Brain and Ann Vaughan and have a lot of information about the Brain families, starting with Giles Brain (Brayne), christened 28 Mar 1686 in Littledean. Most of the following information came to me 20 years ago from a gentlemen named W.A. (Tony) Brain, Dorking, Surrey. He had been researching numerous Brain families for years.

It's too much to be posted here, but I would be happy to email it to anyone interested.

Ann Vaughan/Giles Brain marriage 1772 Ruardean (reply)

ChrisW — Sun, 02 Mar 2008 10:12:38 +0000

record_id 16317
Entry No 614
Year 1772
Month Feb
Day 4
Groom Surname BRAIN
Groom Forename Giles
Bride Surname VAUGHAN
Bride Forename Ann
Place of Residence Ruardean
Licence or Banns Banns called 121
Signature or Mark Both Mark
Witness 1 Jno Vaughan
Witness 2 Joseph Harper
Officiating Minister D Jones - curate
Event Marriage
Memoranda Consent of parents
Register Reference P275 in 1/3
Page 73
Parish/Chapel Ruardean

...so little Giles was already on the way then....

Nancy Mathews b 1750/51 Ruardean (reply)

Jean Herbert — Sun, 02 Mar 2008 10:07:03 +0000

You are correct ChrisW, by now I have totally lost the plot. Regards Jean

Nancy Mathews b 1750/51 Ruardean (reply)

ChrisW — Sun, 02 Mar 2008 09:55:25 +0000

Hi Jean

A wild card search threw up the following baptism:

record_id 54103
Entry No 3768
Year 1750/51
Month Feb
Parents Surname MATHEWS
Child Forename Nancy
Father's Forename Richard
Mother's Forename Ann
Event Baptism
Register Reference P275 in 1/5
Page 43
Parish/Chapel Ruardean

There is a marriage for a Nancy Matthews to John Verry at Flaxley on 24/12/1776.

Now you are even more confused aren't you?

Regards
Chris

James BRAIN born East Dean 1782 (reply)

Jean Herbert — Sun, 02 Mar 2008 09:43:21 +0000

My apologies Slowhands. Should read things properly, thank you for finding the information about Giles. As to the child Nancy and her parents Giles and Nancy, one would hope that it is not a similar event as in my tree in another part of the country. The gentleman in question had two households running at the same time, both "wives" having full knowledge of the other party. Regards Jean Herbert

James BRAIN born East Dean 1782 (reply)

ChrisW — Sun, 02 Mar 2008 09:33:13 +0000

I can't take the credit for finding the parents - take a bow Slowhands!

The birth of Nancy comes within the same timescale as the other children - so I don't think it is a second marriage. Just wondering if Ann was known as Nancy?

Regards
Chris

James BRAIN born East Dean 1782 (reply)

Jean Herbert — Sun, 02 Mar 2008 08:58:14 +0000

I was pleased to read the entry posted by LOTTABOTTLE as it has answered a lot of my missing links in the early Brain family. ChrisW's finding of the parents of James Brain was a big help as this has cleared up one mystery. There were actually two James Brains born to Giles and Ann. The first one being James born 1783.
Baptism of James Brain first sonRecord_ID: 55201 Entry Number: 4866
Date : 26 Dec 1783
Parents Surname: BRAIN
Child Forenames: James
Father's Forenames: Giles
Mother's Forenames: Ann
Register Reference: P275 IN 1/5
Page No: 58 Parish_Chapel: Ruardean

Burial of the above James Brain first son - died young
Record_ID: 39547 Entry Number: 3237
Date : 12 April 1784
Surname: BRAIN
Forenames: James
Memoranda: son of Giles & Ann
Register Reference: P275 IN 1/5
Page No: 51
Parish_Chapel: Ruardean
(He would have been abt 1 year old. Another child born in 1785. He was named after the first James.
Baptism of James Brain second son.
Baptism of 2nd James BrainRecord_ID: 55250
Entry Number: 4915
Year: 1785
Month: Apr
Day: 24
Parents Surname: BRAIN
Child Forenames: James
Father's Forenames: Giles
Mother's Forenames: Ann
Register Reference: P275 IN 1/6
Page No: 1
Parish_Chapel: Ruardean
I have not found so far a burial for the other duplicate child, Giles 1772.
ChrisW mentions another child Nancy born to a Giles and Nancy. Could this be a possible second marriage for Giles or is this another person altogether? Regards Jean Herbert

Giles Brain 1772 & siblings (reply)

ChrisW — Sun, 02 Mar 2008 03:45:53 +0000

I've just had a grovelling e mail from our original poster, who was obviously having a nervous breakdown! Forget 1872 - we want siblings of 1782 James (I think).

Here we go then:

record_id 54774
Entry No 4439
Year 1772
Month Sept
Day 13
Parents Forename BRAIN
Child Forename Giles
Father's Forename Giles
Mother's Forename Ann
Event Baptism
Register Reference P275 in 1/5
Page 27
Parish/Chapel Ruardean

Still looking...

record_id 54959
Entry No 4624
Year 1777
Month Sep
Day 21
Parents Surname BRAIN
Child Forename Giles (another one!)
Father's Forename Giles
Mother's Forename Ann
Event Baptism
Register Reference P275 in 1/5
Page 44
Parish/Chapel Ruardean
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record_id 55047
Entry No 4712
Year 1779
Month Dec
Day 2
Parents Surname BRAIN
Child Forename John
Father's Forename Giles
Mother's Forename Ann
Event Baptism
Register Reference P275 in 1/5
Page 55
Parish/Chapel Ruardean

....still looking....

record_id 55118
Entry No 4783
Year 1781
Month Oct
Day 14
Parents Surname BRAIN
Child Forename Sarah
Father's Forename Giles
Mother's Forename Ann
Event Baptism
Register Reference P275 in 1/5
Page 65
Parish/Chapel Ruardean

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record_id 55201
Entry No 4866
Year 1783
Month Dec
Day 26
Parents Surname BRAIN
Child Forename James
Father's Forename Giles
Mother's Forename Ann
Event Baptism
Register Reference P275 in 1/5
Page 58 (Odd? Sarah baptised a year earlier but page is later?)
Parish/Chapel Ruardean

=============================
A maybe? Can't find any other sprogs born to a Giles & Nancy.

record_id 54856
Entry No 4521
Year 1774
Month Dec
Day 11
Parents Surname BRAIN
Child Forename Nancy
Father's Forename Giles
Mother's Forename Nancy
Event Baptism
Register Reference P275 in 1/5
Page 31
Parish/Chapel Ruardean

I think I've stopped now!

James BRAIN born East Dean 1872 (reply)

slowhands — Sun, 02 Mar 2008 03:29:36 +0000

Chris

The son of Amos (Collafield - where else ??) and Emma ???

(as transcribed !)

1891 Upper Bilson
Amos Bram abt 1837 Colafrilor, Glos Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
Emma Bram abt 1838 The Morss, Glos Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire
George Bram abt 1870 The Morss, Glos Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
James Bram abt 1872 The Morss, Glos Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Moses Bram abt 1874 The Morss, Glos Son East Dean, Gloucestershire

James BRAIN 1783 Ruardean (reply)

slowhands — Sat, 01 Mar 2008 21:25:40 +0000

Month: Dec
Day: 26
Parents Surname: BRAIN
Child Forenames: James
Father's Forenames: Giles
Mother's Forenames: Ann
Mother's Surname:
Place of Residence:
Occupation:
Officiating Minister:
Event type: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register Reference: P275 IN 1/5
Page No: 58
Parish_Chapel: Ruardean

Which the IGI has a member submitted entry as :-

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James Brain
----------------------------------------------
Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 26 DEC 1783 Ruardean, Gloucester, England
----------------------------------------------
Parents:
Father: Giles Brain
Mother: Ann Vaughan
------------------------------------------------------
Messages:
Record submitted by a member of the LDS Church.

James BRAIN born East Dean 1782 (reply)

ChrisW — Sat, 01 Mar 2008 12:58:54 +0000

Hi Carol

I can't find a baptism on this site for James Brain b 1872. On FreeBMD there are two possibilities for Gloucestershire: Birth Registrations Sept 1871 & Sept 1875 both at Westbury-on-Severn. Do you know what his parents names were please? I notice on Glos Archives Genealogical Database there are several Brains who were non-conformists (?)

Regards
Chris

James BRAIN born East Dean 1782 (reply)

shepway — Sat, 01 Mar 2008 09:08:45 +0000

This entry from GFHS Marriage Index:

22 February 1813 James BRAIN of Littleworth married Ann MORGAN of Littleworth by Banns at HEMPSTED.

There were numerous marriages at Hempstead at this time and included a number of Foresters.

Mike

James BRAIN born East Dean 1782

LOTTABOTTLE — Sat, 01 Mar 2008 08:41:46 +0000

I was wondering if somebody could please help , i am looking for the maiden name of the wife of James Brain born East Dean 1782,his wifes first name was Ann ....

Also did james Brain born 1872 did he have any brothers ???

I know its a long shot , but i am truly stuck ....

Thank you Carol