Arthur HAYES 1823 Devon - Cinderford Iron Works (reply)

unknown — Wed, 26 Mar 2008 02:51:57 +0000

Thanks for that suggestion. I shall give it a go.

Sian.

Arthur HAYES 1823 Devon - Cinderford Iron Works (reply)

slowhands — Tue, 25 Mar 2008 21:35:19 +0000

http://www.gloucestershire.gov.uk/index.cfm?articleid=1348

is where I would start

Arthur HAYES 1823 Devon - Cinderford Iron Works (reply)

unknown — Tue, 25 Mar 2008 21:33:44 +0000

I agree, the gap is odd. Although it's only a gap in baptisms, not births and they may have been a bit remiss in that department as we can't find a baptism at all for Frederick James a few years later on! It's strange that Arthur James doesn't feature in the gaol records as he was there between 12.4.1852 and 24.4.1852, then again between 18.8.1852 and 14.9.1852 according to the London Gazette. However, this man is an enigma all through his life: he's a census enumerator in 1871, his wife is listed as a widow in 1881 and he actually dies, with Frederick James in attendance, in Tredegar in 1890! We have no idea, as yet, why he went there or whether or not the family always knew where he was. So it's all of a piece that he shouldn't feature in the gaol records. I wonder if he might have been held elsewhere. Although the Gazette does state specifically "the County Gaol of Gloucester". All very odd. Do you know where the records for the court are actually held? Those may be our only chance of narrowing down the search.

Regards,
Sian.

Arthur James HAYES 1823Starcross Devon-Cinderford Iron Works (reply)

slowhands — Tue, 25 Mar 2008 20:07:55 +0000

ARTHUR JAMES HAYES
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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 08 AUG 1822 Mamhead, Devon, England
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Parents:
Father: JEREMIAH HAYES
Mother: ELIZABETH
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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record.
The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.
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Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
C051351 1549 - 1837 0916857 Film 0933231 Film
Sheet: 00

Kenton nr Starcross, on the Exe estuary south of Exeter Devon
http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/Mamhead/
http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/Kenton/

ARTHUR JAMES HAYES
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Event(s):
Birth: 12 JUL 1822
Christening: 17 JUL 1824 Kenton, Devon, England
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Parents:
Father: JEREMIAH HAYES
Mother: ELIZABETH
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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record.
The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.
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Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
C051251 1694 - 1837 0916851 Film 0933203 Film
Sheet: 00

The gap in his children from the 1854 baptism of Dorothy to the triple baptism in 1849 may indicate he was "away" - Gloucestershire Goal records do not seem to mention him.

1841 Cinderford
James Broad abt 1781 Dean Forest, Gloucestershire Furnace Manager
Mary Broad abt 1796 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Arthur Hayes 1822 Dean Forest, Gloucestershire

Year: 1845
Month: Mar
Day: 1

Groom Surname: HAYES
Groom Forenames: Arthur James
Groom Age at Marriage: Full age
Groom condition: Bachelor
Groom Rank or Profession: refiner in Cinderford Ironworks
Groom Residence: Cinderford
Groom Father's Surname: Hayes
Groom Father's Forenames: Jeremiah
Groom Father's Rank or Profession: steward

Bride Surname: DREW
Bride Forenames: Catherine
Bride Age at Marriage: minor
Bride Condition: Spinster
Bride Rank or Profession:
Bride Residence: Woodside in the Forest of Dean
Bride Father's Surname: Drew
Bride Father's Forenames: James
Bride Father's Rank or Profession: labourer in the Forest of Dean

Licence or Banns: licence
Date of banns:
Signature or Mark: both sign
Witness 1: Absalom Drew
Witness 2: Fanny Drew
Other witnesses:
Officiating Minister: J. G. [.] []
Event type: Marriage
Memoranda:
Transcriber's Notes:
Register Reference: P228 IN 1/13
Page No: 40
Parish_Chapel: Newnham

1851 nr Forge Hammer, Cinderford
Arthur J Hayes abt 1823 Starcross, Devon, England Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
Catherine Hayes abt 1826 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire
Anne Hayes abt 1850 East Dean, Gloucestershire
Catherine E Hayes abt 1846 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England East Dean, Gloucestershire
Henry A Hayes abt 1848 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England East Dean, Gloucestershire

1861 Littledean Hill / Cinderford
Arther Jas Hayes abt 1823 Harcross, Devon, England Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
Catherine Hayes abt 1826 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire
Annie Hayes abt 1842 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Dorothy Hayes abt 1852 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Hayes abt 1846 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Emily Hayes abt 1859 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Henry Arther Hayes abt 1848 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Catherine Drew abt 1791 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Mother-in-law East Dean, Gloucestershire

1871
Arthur Jas Hayes 48
Catherine Hayes 45
Dorothy Hayes 19
Emily Hayes 12
Frederick Jas Hayes 5
Helena Hayes 9 months
Henry Arthur Hayes 23
John Arthur Hayes 9

Year: 1871
Month: Feb
Day: 22
Parents Surname: HAYES
Child Forenames: Helena
Father's Forenames: Arthur James
Mother's Forenames: Catherine
Mother's Surname:
Place of Residence: Cinderford
Occupation: Watchman on Ironworks
Officiating Minister: Newton Codner Bennett
Event type: Baptism
Memoranda: (privately}
Notes:
Register Reference: P85/1 IN 1/2
Page No: 96
Parish_Chapel: Cinderford St Johns

1881
Catherine Hayes abt 1826 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Head Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
Frederick J. Hayes abt 1866 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Son Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
Hellena Hayes abt 1871 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
Sussana Olovers abt 1879 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Granddaughter Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
James Olovers abt 1880 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Grandson Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire

Gloucester County Court records 1852

unknown — Tue, 25 Mar 2008 10:51:39 +0000

Does anyone know where the records for Gloucester County Court held at Newnham might be kept? We know that Arthur James Hayes was up for insolvent debt twice in 1852 (thanks to the London Gazette) and he seems to have failed to appear each time as he was jailed twice for contempt of court. The Gazette states that he was to appear before the court again on the 10th Dec. 1852, but we cannot find any record of what happened next! I'd love to know whether or not the debt was paid off and if so by whom. The only way I can think of that I might be able to find out is through the court records... all other suggestions gratefully received!

Regards,
Sian.

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