Forest of Dean FHT Forum - John SMITH 1847 Cinderford

John SMITH 1847 Cinderford (reply)

Elton — Mon, 31 Mar 2008 20:37:48 +0000

Thank you everyone lots to look at and sort through.I don't know what I would do without all the kind people on this site.
Janice

John SMITH 1847 Cinderford (reply)

slowhands — Mon, 31 Mar 2008 19:58:37 +0000

he doesnt seem to link to George Smith his adopted father but...

1841 Littledean Woodside / Cinderford
John Smith abt 1801 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Ann Smith abt 1806 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Jane Smith abt 1839 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
John Smith abt 1827 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Joseph Smith abt 1831 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Sarah Smith abt 1836 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Thomas Smith abt 1834 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
William Smith abt 1832 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire

1851
John Smith abt 1801 Cheriton, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
Ann Smith abt 1832 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire
James Smith abt 1846 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Jane Smith abt 1840 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
John Smith abt 1827 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Sarah Smith abt 1838 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire

1861
John Smith abt 1799 Thornton, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
James Smith abt 1847 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Sarah Smith abt 1838 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
John Smith abt 1860 Westbury, Gloucestershire, England Grandson East Dean, Gloucestershire

Other children of William & Louisa Thomas (reply)

ChrisW — Mon, 31 Mar 2008 12:04:04 +0000

Record_ID: 112501
Entry Number: 552
Year: 1860
Month: May
Day: 6
Parents Surname: THOMAS
Child Forenames: Charles
Father's Forenames: William
Mother's Forenames: Louisa
Mother's Surname:
Place of Residence: Parkend
Occupation: Fireman
Officiating Minister: Jno[John] Jos[ep]h Ebsworth Incumbent
Event type: Baptism
Memoranda: son of
Notes:
Register Reference: P245 IN 1/12
Page No: 69
Parish_Chapel: Parkend
Soundex: T520

Record_ID: 3482
Entry Number: 69
Year: 1858
Month: Apr
Day: 18
Parents Surname: THOMAS
Child Forenames: Elizabeth Ellen
Father's Forenames: William
Mother's Forenames: Louisa
Mother's Surname:
Place of Residence: Breem[Fireman]Eaves
Occupation: Hollow Fireman
Officiating Minister: John Baverstock. BA Incumbent
Event type: Baptism
Memoranda: Born March 17
Notes:
Register Reference: P57 IN 1/3
Page No: 9
Parish_Chapel: Bream
Soundex: T520

Which Louisa Howells? (reply)

ChrisW — Mon, 31 Mar 2008 11:42:12 +0000

There are marriages in 1856 and 1864 for a Louisa Howells. This one to a William Thomas (the name on baptisms of the other children):

Record_ID: 14590
Entry Number: 379
Year: 1856
Month: Nov
Day: 23
Groom Surname: THOMAS
Groom Forenames: William
Groom Age at Marriage: 22
Groom condition: Bachelor
Groom Rank or Profession: Fire Man
Groom Residence: Parkend
Groom Father's Surname: Thomas
Groom Father's Forenames: David
Groom Father's Rank or Profession: Fitter
Bride Surname: HOWELLS
Bride Forenames: Louisa
Bride Age at Marriage: 20
Bride Condition: Spinster
Bride Rank or Profession: [not stated]
Bride Residence: Parkend
Bride Father's Surname: Howells
Bride Father's Forenames: Richard
Bride Father's Rank or Profession: S[illegible]ter
Licence or Banns: Banns
Date of banns:
Signature or Mark: he signs she marks
Witness 1: Mark of William Thomas
Witness 2: Henry Gunter
Other witnesses:
Officiating Minister: Henry Poole
Event type: Marriage
Memoranda:
Transcriber's Notes:
Register Reference: P145 IN 1/20
Page No: 190
Parish_Chapel: Parkend
Soundex Groom: T520
Soundex Bride: H420

I have just noticed that a James & Louisa Thomas were sponsors at the baptisms of a couple of William & Louisa's children. So I guess they were a different couple.

Polly SMITH marriage (reply)

Elton — Mon, 31 Mar 2008 08:59:31 +0000

Hi,

Thanks for all this info, lots to look at and try and sort out.

Thanks again
Janice

Polly SMITH 1890 marriage (reply)

slowhands — Mon, 31 Mar 2008 08:28:33 +0000

Year: 1869
Month: Oct
Day: 3
Groom Surname: SMITH
Groom Forenames: James
Groom Age at Marriage: 21
Groom condition: Bachelor
Groom Rank or Profession: Collier
Groom Residence: East Dean
Groom Father's Surname: Smith
Groom Father's Forenames: John
Groom Father's Rank or Profession: Furnace Man

Bride Surname: LEWIS
Bride Forenames: Mary
Bride Age at Marriage: 19
Bride Condition: Spinster
Bride Rank or Profession: [not stated]
Bride Residence: East Dean
Bride Father's Surname: Lewis
Bride Father's Forenames: Edward
Bride Father's Rank or Profession: Furnace Man

Licence or Banns: Banns
Date of banns:
Signature or Mark: He marks; she signs
Witness 1: Mark of Louisa Church
Witness 2: Henry Russell
Other witnesses:
Officiating Minister: Newton Codner Bennett
Event type: Marriage
Memoranda:
Transcriber's Notes:
Register Reference: P85/1 IN 1/5
Page No: 31
Parish_Chapel: Cinderford St Johns

1871
James Smith 23
Mary Smith 19
William E Smith 8 months

1881
James Smith abt 1848 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Head Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
Mary Smith abt 1852 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Wife Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
Emily Smith abt 1876 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
Ester Smith abt 1880 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
Frederick J. Smith abt 1878 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Son Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
Mary Ann Smith abt 1872 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
William Edward Smith abt 1871 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Son Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire

1891
James Smith abt 1846 Cinderford, Gloucester Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
Mary Smith abt 1850 Cinderford, Gloucester Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire
Esther Smith abt 1887 Cinderford, Gloucester Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Fred Y Smith abt 1878 Cinderford, Gloucester Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Polly Smith abt 1890 Cinderford, Gloucester Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Raby Smith abt 1891 Cinderford, Gloucester Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Tom Smith abt 1882 Cinderford, Gloucester Son East Dean, Gloucestershire

1901
James Smith abt 1847 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
Mary Smith abt 1851 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire
Nellie S Smith abt 1891 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Pollie Smith abt 1890 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Tom Smith abt 1882 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Gladys A Smith abt 1899 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Granddaughter East Dean, Gloucestershire

Year: 1916
Month: Oct
Day: 5

Groom Surname: HORLICK
Groom Forenames: Thomas Albert
Groom Age at Marriage: 26
Groom condition: Bachelor
Groom Rank or Profession: Private in Gloster Reg[imen]t
Groom Residence: Cinderford
Groom Father's Surname: Horlick
Groom Father's Forenames: James
Groom Father's Rank or Profession: Colliery Fireman

Bride Surname: SMITH
Bride Forenames: Pollie
Bride Age at Marriage: 27
Bride Condition: Spinster
Bride Rank or Profession: [not stated]
Bride Residence: Cinderford
Bride Father's Surname: Smith
Bride Father's Forenames: James
Bride Father's Rank or Profession: Collier
Licence or Banns: Licence
Date of banns:
Signature or Mark: Both Sign
Witness 1: Thomas Hautin
Witness 2: Jennie Williams
Other witnesses:
Officiating Minister: George F Drysdale Curate in Charge
Event type: Marriage
Memoranda:
Transcriber's Notes:
Register Reference: P85/1 IN 1/6
Page No: 170
Parish_Chapel: Cinderford St Johns

Edwin Oliver Thomas bap 1873 Bream (reply)

Elton — Mon, 31 Mar 2008 08:18:58 +0000

Hi,

You may have got something here,I have never found a Birth Certificate for Oliver Henry Thomas.....only Edwin Oliver Thomas who's mother was Louisa Howells but if the right one she married a James Thomas 1864, so on both Kate and Florance James Thomas and Louisa Thomas,so he would call them sisters (It was on his marriage Certificate that he said his Father was Thomas BIRT)at last I might have got some more info.I can't thank you enough for all that.
Kind Regards
Janice.

Oliver Henry Thomas was my husbands Grandfather,thats why I am so interested in him.

Edwin Oliver Thomas bap 1873 Bream (reply)

ChrisW — Mon, 31 Mar 2008 07:40:45 +0000

Just wondering if this little chap is involved somewhere?

Year: 1873
Month: Dec
Day: 26
Parents Surname: THOMAS
Child Forenames: Edwin Oliver
Father's Forenames: [not stated]
Mother's Forenames: Louisa
Mother's Surname:
Place of Residence: Breams Eaves
Occupation: [not stated]
Officiating Minister: J F Gosling
Event type: Baptism
Memoranda: [1] St Stephens[at date] [2] Sponsers Charles Masters Sarah Ann Whiting
Notes:
Register Reference: P57 IN 1/4
Page No: 14
Parish_Chapel: Bream
Soundex: T520

and then there are these two..

Record_ID: 4076
Entry Number: 662
Year: 1869
Month: Oct
Day: 28
Parents Surname: THOMAS
Child Forenames: Kate
Father's Forenames: William
Mother's Forenames: Louisa
Mother's Surname:
Place of Residence: Breams Eaves
Occupation: Hammerman
Officiating Minister: J. F. Gosling
Event type: Baptism
Memoranda: Sponsors James Thomas Louisa Thomas Louisa Thomas[sic]
Notes:
Register Reference: P57 IN 1/3
Page No: 83
Parish_Chapel: Bream
Soundex: T520

Record_ID: 4075
Entry Number: 661
Year: 1869
Month: Oct
Day: 28
Parents Surname: THOMAS
Child Forenames: Florence
Father's Forenames: William
Mother's Forenames: Louisa
Mother's Surname:
Place of Residence: Breams Eaves
Occupation: Hammerman
Officiating Minister: J. F. Gosling
Event type: Baptism
Memoranda: Sponsors James Thomas Louisa Thomas Louisa Thomas[sic]
Notes:
Register Reference: P57 IN 1/3
Page No: 83
Parish_Chapel: Bream
Soundex: T520

Florrie BIRT 1885 (reply)

Elton — Mon, 31 Mar 2008 05:37:42 +0000

Hi,

Sorry to keep on about Oliver,could he have thought Esther Smith maiden name Webb , that maybe some of the Webbs he counted as sisters and brothers.The piece of paper I have also says flowers from Hannah Florrie and Kate,Kate Webb was niece to Esther if its the same Kate.I am clutching at straws here I know.its just someone else might see what I can't.
Janice.

Florrie BIRT 1885 (reply)

Elton — Mon, 31 Mar 2008 01:35:22 +0000

Hi,

Thank you for that info,this is so sad really because it looks like he knew his father and some of his family,and now as a family we don't know ,we can only guess about this family.

Thanks again
Janice

Florrie BIRT 1885 (reply)

slowhands — Mon, 31 Mar 2008 01:18:37 +0000

a contender !

Year: 1885
Month: Jul
Day: 8
Parents Surname: BIRT
Child Forenames: Florrie
Father's Forenames: Thomas Wallis
Mother's Forenames: Lydia Anne
Mother's Surname:
Place of Residence: The Stenders
Occupation: Engine Fitter
Officiating Minister: F.H.Hawkins Curate
Event type: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register Reference: PFC109 IN 1/4
Page No: 171
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook

Oliver Henry THOMAS. 1873 (reply)

slowhands — Mon, 31 Mar 2008 00:49:34 +0000

Smith's Birts,or Howells ?

What a question ! Hannah looks like a HOWELL

have not seen a Flora or Florence yet - but still time :-)

http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?mode=thread&id=6610#p6613

1871 Russell Inclosure
Thomas Howellsabt 1829 English Bicknor, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean Gloucestershire
Eliza Howells abt 1838 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean Gloucestershire
Albert Howells abt 1869 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Gloucestershire
Edward Howells abt 1864 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Gloucestershire
Henry Howells abt 1870 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Gloucestershire
Hannah Howells abt 1856 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean Gloucestershire
John Howells abt 1853 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Gloucestershire
Stephen Howells abt 1859 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Gloucestershire
Thomas Howells abt 1860 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Gloucestershire
William Howells abt 1861 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Gloucestershire

1881
Thomas Birt abt 1822 Whitecroft, Gloucestershire, England Head Newland, Gloucestershire
Harriet Birt abt 1828 Bream, Gloucestershire, England Wife Newland, Gloucestershire
Edwin Birt abt 1873 Bream, Gloucestershire, England Son Newland, Gloucestershire
Eliza Birt abt 1870 Bream, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Newland, Gloucestershire
Harry Birt abt 1862 Bream, Gloucestershire, England Son Newland, Gloucestershire
Kate Birt abt 1867 Bream, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Newland, Gloucestershire
Sydney Birt abt 1868 Bream, Gloucestershire, England Son Newland, Gloucestershire
William Birt abt 1866 Bream, Gloucestershire, England Son Newland, Gloucestershire

1881
Thomas Howells abt 1828 English Bicknor, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
Eliza Howells abt 1843 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean, Gloucestershire
Albert Howells abt 1870 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Clara Howells abt 1872 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Edward Howells abt 1865 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
George Howells abt 1876 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Henry Howells abt 1871 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Mary Jane Howells abt 1877 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Stephen Howells abt 1859 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Thomas Howells abt 1860 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
William Howells abt 1861 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire

1891
George Smith abt 1830 Lane End, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
Esther Smith abt 1839 Yorkley, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean, Gloucestershire
Oliver Thomas abt 1874 Bream, Gloucestershire, England Adopted West Dean, Gloucestershire
Kate M Webb abt 1883 Bream, Gloucestershire, England Niece West Dean, Gloucestershire

Year: 1897
Month: Jul
Day: 3

Groom Surname: THOMAS
Groom Forenames: Oliver Henry
Groom Age at Marriage: 24
Groom condition: bachelor
Groom Rank or Profession: collier
Groom Residence: Bream
Groom Father's Surname: BIRT
Groom Father's Forenames: Thomas
Groom Father's Rank or Profession: collier

Bride Surname: HOWELLS
Bride Forenames: Clara
Bride Age at Marriage: 23
Bride Condition: spinster
Bride Rank or Profession:
Bride Residence: Yorkley
Bride Father's Surname: HOWELLS
Bride Father's Forenames: Thomas
Bride Father's Rank or Profession: woodman

Licence or Banns: banns
Date of banns:
Signature or Mark: Both sign
Witness 1: Richard Jones
Witness 2: Mary Howells
Other witnesses:
Officiating Minister: John Bond vicar
Event type: Marriage
Memoranda:
Transcriber's Notes:
Register Reference: P245 IN 1/22
Page No: 73
Parish_Chapel: Parkend

Oliver Henry Thomas.Some new info.

Elton — Mon, 31 Mar 2008 00:41:21 +0000

One I think for slowhands

I have found (Can you believe it)a cutting from a Newspaper about the Funeral of Mr Oliver Henry Thomas,on his marriage certificate he has his Father as Thomas BIRT.I won't go into all the details but it says Florrie and Hannah (Sisters) and Tom and Polly (Brother and sister in Law) could these be Smith's Birts,or Howells.have you any idea's please.
Kind regards
Janice.