Forest of Dean FHT Forum - Tallerin HARRIS 1805 ish

Tallerin HARRIS 1805 ish (reply)

slowhands — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 01:08:52 +0000

thanks for the update

Tallerin HARRIS 1805 ish (reply)

anthonyworgan — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 01:13:52 +0000

Puzzle solved!
Tallerin Harris - death cert has his name as 'Tolareen' died 27 August 1869 in the Union Workhouse, Pontypridd aged 73.
His wife Jane (nee Wintle) does not appear on the 1841 census - so I presume she died circa 1827-1841, still searching for her death.
Her natural daughter Sarah (Wintle) bap 1820 Lydney & her daughter Jane bap 1825 Lydney from this marriage to Tallerin (1824 Lydney) are still to be accounted for. However, I have found their son James (born circa 1826/7 in the Forest - bap not found yet) aged 35 on the 1861 census - Ystradyfodwg (Pontypridd district) RG 9 Piece 4063 Fol 56 Page 1. Living as a widower with 3 sons, William, John & James. His wife Mary seems to have died between 1851-1861.
After many years of searching it is great to finally tidy up Tallerin - many thanks for the fantastic help through this site. The icing on the cake would be to find the baptism of James & the death/burial of Jane.

Tallerin HARRIS 1805 ish (reply)

anthonyworgan — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 02:21:54 +0000

Many thanks once again.
Original census sheet on screen looks more like Talaman (1841) but like you say Ancestry has listed his name as Salman. The 1861 census CD ROM from the Glamorgan FHS has his name listed as John!!! - even without a magnifying glass it looks like S/talaran - but extremely difficult to read all the same. His death cert as Tolareen (1869) should be interesting to see.

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slowhands — Tue, 22 Apr 2008 22:11:30 +0000

Ancestry's transcription but Taliesin is more like it

1841 River Row
Salman Harris abt 1806 Trevethan, Monmouthshire Miner
James Harris abt 1826 Trevethan, Monmouthshire

Elizabeth Nyht abt 1776 Trevethan, Monmouthshire

Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 744; Book: 10;
Civil Parish: Trevethan; County: Monmouthshire;
Enumeration District: 20; Folio: 19; Page: 5; Line: 17;
GSU roll: 438843.

Tallerin HARRIS 1805 ish (reply)

anthonyworgan — Tue, 22 Apr 2008 21:41:09 +0000

Hi Paul,

Many thanks once again.
Do you have the reference number for the 1841 census concerning Tallerin & Elizabeth Night/Knight. I tried yesterday to find any reference to him on the 1841 census while at my local library without success - using all manner of spelling combinations?

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Paul Andrews — Tue, 22 Apr 2008 09:59:21 +0000

1861 Wales Census RG9/4063; Folio: 56; Page: 1

James Harries - Head - Widr - 35 - Coal Miner - Glostershire Forest of Dean
William Harries - Son - 11 - Scholar - Monmouthshire Pontypool
John Harries - Son - 7 - Scholar - Monmouthshire Pontypool
James Harries - Son - 5 - Scholar - Monmouthshire Pontypool
John Pierce - Lod - Mar - 29 - Coal Miner - Staffordshire Dudley

Free BMD gives 8 possibles for the death of Mary Harri[e]s between 1851 and 1861.

There are two death indexes for Elizabeth Night/Knight who was living next door to Tallerin in 1841 and lodging with him in 1851. They are both 1853 Jan-Feb-Mar Pontypool Volume 11a, one on page 104 and the other on page 117.

Tallerin HARRIS 1805 ish (reply)

anthonyworgan — Tue, 22 Apr 2008 05:54:09 +0000

Many thanks again.
Checked the 1851 census - says Tolerain Harris age 46 unm
1861 census - says Solesen Harris age 60 unm
both born Forest of Dean - this is correct, age wrong & he is probably a widower by now as no mention of wife Jane.
Found a Tolareen Harris died 1869 reg Sept Pontypridd & aged 73. This is very likely him as he was bapt 1796 at Newland.
Greatly appreciated all the help folks for pointing me in the right direction.

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slowhands — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 00:21:01 +0000

looks promising

Tallerin Harris (reply)

Paul Andrews — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 11:30:05 +0000

Possibles?

1841 Wales Census HO107/744/10; Folio: 19; Page: 5

Solman Harris - 35 - Miner - No
James Harris - 15 - Miner - No
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Elizabeth Night - 65 - N
Edward Davies - 30 - Miner - N
John Ball - 11 - Miner - Y

1851 Wales Census HO107/2449; Folio: 296; Page: 5

James Harris - Head - Mar - 23 - Iron Stone Miner - Gloucestershire, Forest Dean
Mary Harris - Wife - Mar - 23 - Monmouthshire Pontymoile [?]
William Harris - Son - U - 1 3/4 Monmouthshire Trevethin
Tolerain Harris - Lodger - U - 46 - Iron Stone Miner - Gloucestershire, Forest Dean
Elizabeth Knight - Lodger - U - 86 - Herefordshire

1861 Wales Census RG9/4063; Folio: 48; Page: 16

Job Morris - Head - Mar - 49 - Clerk at Mine Works - Northampton Brackley
Susanah Morris - Wife - Mar - 53 - Oxford Great ???
Solesen Harris - Boarder - U - Laboror - Forest Dean
William Bellamy - Boarder - U - 36 - Blacksmith - Devon Mor???
Isaac Williams - Boarder - U - 24 - Iron Miner - Brecon Langannor

Tallareen HARRIS 1796 Berry Hill (reply)

ChrisW — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 02:04:25 +0000

Yes that's what I thought, but only because I found a few on FreeBMD!

Deaths Sep 1861 (>99%)
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Harris Taliesin Thomas Llanelly 11a 285

Tallareen HARRIS 1796 Berry Hill (reply)

anthonyworgan — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 00:45:18 +0000

Many thanks. Yes, I believe that his name is really 'Taliesin' - a former renowned barer of this name was the 10th century Welsh poet, who wrote one of the four ancient books of Wales - 'The Book of Taliesin'. Spelling varies - Tallareen/Tallerin (in the marriage registers). Searching for his whereabouts/burial after 1825.

Tallareen HARRIS 1796 Berry Hill (reply)

slowhands — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 05:36:34 +0000

Is his christian name Taliesin ?

Year: 1796
Month: Apr
Day: 10
Parents Surname: HARRIS
Child Forenames: Taliareen
Father's Forenames: [not stated]
Mother's Forenames: Elizabeth
Mother's Surname:
Place of Residence: Berry Hill
Occupation:
Officiating Minister:
Event type: Baptism
Memoranda: illegitimate
Notes:
Register Reference: P227 IN 1/8
Page No: 863
Parish_Chapel: Newland

possible mother ?

Year: 1796
Month: May
Day: 14
Surname: HARRIS
Forenames: Elizabeth
Place of Residence: Workhouse
Age at death:
Officiating Minister:
Event: Burial
Cause of death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register Reference: P227 IN 1/8
Page No: 842
Parish_Chapel: Newland

1851 7 Butlers Houses, Pentwyn ??
Tolerain Harris abt 1805 Forest Dean, Gloucestershire, England Lodger Trevethin, Monmouthshire

Tallerin Harris

anthonyworgan — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 05:25:46 +0000

Has anyone found any reference to a Tallerin Harris post 1825?
He was born circa 1796, married 3rd July 1824 at Lydney Jane Wintle.
A daughter Jane was baptised 6th January 1825 Parkend.
Jane Wintle already had a natural daughter Sarah bap 20 Feb 1820 Lydney.
Searched in vain over many years for this family - they do not appear on the 1841 or later censuses. No marriages found for the daughters or burials for Tallerin or Jane (likewise daughters). Did they vanish or emigrate?