Forest of Dean FHT Forum - Sarah Anne HAYDEN 1852 of Hartpury

Sarah Anne HAYDEN 1852 of Hartpury (reply)

slowhands — Mon, 05 May 2008 08:19:43 +0000

Beware the later record is Member submitted

Harriet HAYDEN 1852 of Dudley (reply)

ChrisW — Sun, 04 May 2008 07:42:53 +0000

Go to the top of the class Paul!
How did we miss that one?
Oh I know, Carol said she had already checked the Dudley area and couldn't find anything. (You just can't get the right calibre of posters these days!)

Thanks
Chris

Sarah Anne HAYDEN 1852 of Hartpury (reply)

Paul Andrews — Sun, 04 May 2008 07:17:28 +0000

IGI Individual Record
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HARRIET HAYDEN
Female
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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
Death:
Burial:
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Marriages:
Spouse: GEORGE HART
Marriage: 22 SEP 1872 Castlemorton, Worcester, England
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Messages:
Extracted marriage record for locally listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.
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Source Information:
Batch N.: M062443
Dates: 1754 - 1885
Source Call N.: 0991671
Type: Film
Printout Call No.: 6900948
Type: Film
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and

IGI Individual Record
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Harriet Hayden
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Event(s):
Birth: 1852 Dudley, Worcester, England
Christening:
Death:
Burial: 12 AUG 1903 Berrow, Worcester, England
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Parents:
Father: Joseph Hayden
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Messages:
Record submitted after 1991 by a member of the LDS Church. No additional information is available. Ancestral File may list the same family and submitter.
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Source Information:
No source information is available.

Sarah Anne HAYDEN 1852 of Hartpury (reply)

mrstel200 — Sun, 04 May 2008 06:15:24 +0000

Hahaha, like the idea of an alien :)

I finally got round to going through some paperwork today, this was papers that I was left when my aunt died, amongst it was the marriage certificate of Harriet & George, place of residence was Castlemorton & the name of Harriet's father was Joseph.

Thanks once again for your help ChrisW & slowhands.
Carol.

Sarah Anne HAYDEN 1852 of Hartpury (reply)

ChrisW — Sun, 04 May 2008 05:17:15 +0000

...on the other hand..
Could this be Harriet's parents & sister?
Could it even be Harriet herself, who changed her name because she hated it?
This is not as mad as it sounds as I can't find a marriage or death for Sarah Anne. Perhaps she was an alien as well?
....am I talking to myself?....

Record_ID: 115879
Entry Number: 424
Year: 1852
Month: Jun
Day: 20
Parents Surname: HAYDEN
Child Forenames: Sarah Anne
Father's Forenames: William
Mother's Forenames: Caroline
Mother's Surname:
Place of Residence: Harpary [?]
Occupation: Gardener
Officiating Minister: Ralph C. Morton [?] Curate
Event type: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register Reference: 8811
Page No: 53
Parish_Chapel: Clearwell
Soundex: H350

Marriage of parents:
Marriages Dec 1849 (>99%)
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Birt Lydia Hayward Monmouth 26 111
Brown Ann Monmouth 26 111
Gaulder Caroline Monmouth 26 111
Gilbert John Monmouth 26 111
Hayden William Monmouth 26 111
Hudson Thomas Monmouth 26 111
Johnson Elizabeth Monmouth 26 111
Tayler John Monmouth 26 111
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This would explain why there appears to be only one child:

Record_ID: 30948
Entry Number: 632
Year: 1855
Month: May
Day: 8
Surname: HAYDEN
Forenames: Caroline
Place of Residence: Clearwell Meend
Age at death: 35
Officiating Minister: John Hawksley Curate
Event: Burial
Cause of death:
Memoranda: Wife of William Hayden
Notes:
Register Reference: P227 IN 1/27
Page No: 79
Parish_Chapel: Newland
Soundex: H350

Record_ID: 30960
Entry Number: 644
Year: 1855
Month: Jul
Day: 26
Surname: HAYDEN
Forenames: Richard
Place of Residence: Clearwell Meend
Age at death: 15 months
Officiating Minister: John Hawksley Curate
Event: Burial
Cause of death:
Memoranda: Son of William ( & the late Caroline) Hayden
Notes:
Register Reference: P227 IN 1/27
Page No: 81
Parish_Chapel: Newland
Soundex: H350
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..and here is Papa(I think):

Record_ID: 169864
Entry Number: 273
Year: 1823
Month: Aug
Day: 17
Parents Surname: HAYDEN
Child Forenames: William
Father's Forenames: John
Mother's Forenames: Nancy
Mother's Surname:
Place of Residence: Hartpury
Occupation: Laborer
Officiating Minister: Henry Wright Curate
Event type: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register Reference: P165 IN 1/4
Page No: 35
Parish_Chapel: Hartpury
Soundex: H350

...and I bet none of them are anything to do with Harriet are they?!

Of course we could always change Harriets birth year again:

Births Dec 1849 (>99%)

HAYDEN Harriett Pershore 18 416

Harriet HART Burial, Berrow (reply)

ChrisW — Sun, 04 May 2008 04:29:46 +0000

The only other one I found on FreeBMD was born in Hackney in 1852. She was probably the same one that turned up in West Ham in 1861.

I have a theory about Harriet, Slowhands. I believe she was an alien;
probably a Plutonian. Cloning is nothing new you know. The Plutonians were adept in the art of transmogrification; which was very useful in avoiding detection by the authorities.

TRANSMOGRIFICATION (n. Plut.) The ability to be in several different places at the same time, without actually being anywhere.

Discuss.

Harriet HART Burial, Berrow (reply)

slowhands — Sun, 04 May 2008 02:50:04 +0000

1903 Harriet Hart, (51) 12 August

Name: Harriet Hart
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852
Year of Registration: 1903
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at Death: 51
District: Upton Upon Severn
County: Worcestershire
Volume: 6c
Page: 151

would put Harriet at born 1851/52

Hart Burials, Berrow (reply)

ChrisW — Sun, 04 May 2008 02:45:37 +0000

Excerpts from:

freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~wrag44/berrow/berrow.htm - 9k -

1880 John Hart, 11 months 21 July
1902 Clara Louise Hart, (Age 20) 11 November
1902 James Hart of Birtsmorton, (78) 23 December
1903 Harriet Hart, (51) 12 August
1903 Rebecca Hart, daughter of Harriet Hart listed above, (17) 12 August
1908 Joseph Hart, (16) 24 May

Mary HAYDEN ( nee ?) Newent - c 1826 (reply)

slowhands — Sun, 04 May 2008 01:18:31 +0000

this fragment may connect in...

1861
Henry Hayden abt 1824 Gloucestershire, England Head Birmingham, Warwickshire
Mary Hayden abt 1826 Gloucestershire, England Wife Birmingham, Warwickshire
Mary Ann Hayden abt 1858 Gloucestershire, England Daughter Birmingham, Warwickshire
Ellen Gray abt 1852 Gloucestershire, England Visitor Birmingham, Warwickshire
Jane Gray abt 1847 Gloucestershire, England Visitor Birmingham, Warwickshire
Sarah Coley abt 1839 Gloucestershire, England Servant Birmingham, Warwickshire

1851
Henry Hayden abt 1824 Haselton, Gloucestershire, England Head Birmingham, Warwickshire
Mary Ann Hayden abt 1826 Newent, Gloucestershire, England Wife Birmingham, Warwickshire
Eliza Hodgetts abt 1829 Dymock, Gloucestershire, England Wifer Sister Birmingham, Warwickshire

Hazelton on the Cotswolds ?
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/GLS/Hazleton/index.html

looks like she should be Mary HODGETTS, but he sister Eliza may be married (?)

HAYDEN Harriet - Dudley /Newent - c1852-55. (reply)

mrstel200 — Sun, 04 May 2008 00:12:17 +0000

Thank you both for all your help. :)
Carol.

HAYDEN Harriet - Dudley /Newent - c1852-55. (reply)

slowhands — Sat, 03 May 2008 20:25:40 +0000

The trail so far ....

1901
George Hart 1851 Castle Morton, Worcestershire, England Head Berrow, Worcestershire
Harriet Hart 1852 Dudley, Worcestershire, England Wife Berrow, Worcestershire
Albert Hart 1887 Berrow, Worcestershire, England Son Berrow, Worcestershire
Clara Hart 1883 Berrow, Worcestershire, England Daughter Berrow, Worcestershire
Joseph Hart 1893 Berrow, Worcestershire, England Son Berrow, Worcestershire
Julia Hart 1896 Berrow, Worcestershire, England Daughter Berrow, Worcestershire
Rebecca Hart 1886 Berrow, Worcestershire, England Daughter Berrow, Worcestershire
William Hart 1891 Berrow, Worcestershire, England Son Berrow, Worcestershire

1891
George Hart abt 1850 Castle Morton, Worcestershire, England Head Berrow, Worcestershire
Harriet Hart abt 1852 Dudley, Worcestershire, England Wife Berrow, Worcestershire
Albert E Hart abt 1888 Berrow, Worcestershire, England Son Berrow, Worcestershire
Clara L Hart abt 1882 Berrow, Worcestershire, England Daughter Berrow, Worcestershire
Emily A Hart abt 1889 Berrow, Worcestershire, England Daughter Berrow, Worcestershire
Frank Hart abt 1874 Castle Morton, Worcestershire, England Son Berrow, Worcestershire
George Hart abt1884 Berrow, Worcestershire, England Son Berrow, Worcestershire
Lettica Hart abt 1880 Berrow, Worcestershire, England Daughter Berrow, Worcestershire
Rebecca Hart abt 1886 Berrow, Worcestershire, England Daughter Berrow, Worcestershire
William C Hart abt 1890 Berrow, Worcestershire, England Son Berrow, Worcestershire

1881
George Hart abt 1851 Castlemorton, Worcestershire, England Head Berrow, Worcestershire
Hariet Hart abt 1855 Dudley, Worcestershire, England Wife Berrow, Worcestershire
Alice Hart abt 1878 Castlemorton, Worcestershire, England Daughter Berrow, Worcestershire
Francis Hart abt 1874 Castlemorton, Worcestershire, England Son Berrow, Worcestershire
Harriet Hart abt 1876 Castlemorton, Worcestershire, England Daughter Berrow, Worcestershire
Letitia Hart Berrow, Worcestershire, England Daughter Berrow, Worcestershire

Marriages Sep 1872
HART George Upton 6c 443
HAYDEN Harriet Upton 6c 443

1871
Harriet Hayden abt 1855 Newent, Gloucestershire, England Servant Castle Morton, Worcestershire

HAYDEN Harriet 1861 Census (reply)

ChrisW — Sat, 03 May 2008 15:44:06 +0000

The only Harriet Hayden age 6 that I have found is at Leyton, West Ham.

Regards
Chris

HAYDEN Harriet - Newent - c1855. (reply)

mrstel200 — Sat, 03 May 2008 02:43:53 +0000

Hi ChrisW, thank you so much for your reply.

Marriages Sep 1872
HART George Upton 6c 443
HAYDEN Harriet Upton 6c 443

George Hart in the above marriage was my great grandfather, the thing that has me confused is that on later census's Harriet's place of birth is quoted as being Dudley, I've searched that area & can find no records of a Harriet Hayden being born in that area, so I'm thinking that mistakes were made on later census's & that the Harriet Hayden I'm looking for is the one I quoted in my first post as the dates seem to fit. I guess I'll have to order the marriage certificate to see what it says. :)

Thank you for your help.
Regards Carol.

HAYDEN Harriet - Newent - c1855. (reply)

ChrisW — Fri, 02 May 2008 13:39:39 +0000

A possible marriage?

Marriages Sep 1872 (>99%)
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Dee Joseph Upton 6c 443
Dee Tirzah Upton 6c 443
FARMER Thomas King Upton 6c 443
HART George Upton 6c 443
HAYDEN Harriet Upton 6c 443

I wonder if this was a mistake ??

Births Jun 1854 (99%)
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HAYDEN Male Newent 6a 221

HAYDEN Harriet - Newent - c1855.

mrstel200 — Fri, 02 May 2008 06:01:40 +0000

Looking for 1861 census info for Harriet Hayden, born Newent c1855.

I have 1871 census info as:
Name: Harriet Hayden
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Newent, Gloucestershire, England
Civil Parish: Castle Morton
Ecclesiastical parish: St Gregory
County/Island: Worcestershire

FreeBMD have the following birth index:
Name: Harriet Hayden
Year of Registration: 1854
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Cheltenham
County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 364

Thank you in advance & apologies if I've not not done this right. :)

Regards, Carol.