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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jefff Wow, this is a wealth of information, I really appreciate yours and @mike references and links.</p>
<p>I have plenty to go off of now and will try to get a hold of John Bonser via that posted phone number tomorrow.</p>
<p>It's funny I bought the workbench with the intent to restore and use it, I have been learning joinery(via Paul Sellers' Youtube channel) and I restore and resell old furniture. Little did I know I would be tracking it down to England!</p>
<p>Needless to say I won't be sanding it down and refinishing it now. I will post an update once I trace it's way to this side of the pond.</p>
<p>If any are interested I'll post pictures of it tomorrow.</p>
<p>Thanks again for the responses and information!</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi David,<br />
thanks for the background, very interesting and intriguing, as you say it does sound like an interesting piece and very substantial, just as it should do !  Wondering if your bench (that seems to date from the 1940s/50s wrt the vice) is somehow linked to the US Army troops that were stationed in the FoD during WW2, with some marrying local girls before returning home ?. Or then again maybe linked to the shipyards of Lydney etc,  what with Charleston being a port on the Atlantic seaboard. ?? <br />
This US soldier(engineer?) was even from Carolina, but appears to have stayed in the FoD post war...<br />
<a href="https://www.sungreen.co.uk/Parkend-Glos/John_B_Thomas.html">https://www.sungreen.co.uk/Parkend-Glos/John_B_Thomas.html</a><br />
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I'm not an expert but during my time as a mechanical engineer, and my woodwork classes at school in the 70s before that, the &quot;Record&quot; vices were THE ones to buy for many years in the UK. Certainly I've never been able to break one even when using massively overlong tommy bars on the handles etc !  The name still exists albeit on a much-inferior product, so your's is quite desirable. Similarly, our workshop's wood planes and clamps were all &quot;Record&quot; brand, I still own a couple, but maybe they were all that were available in the UK at the time ?.</p>
<p>Bit of a struggle to find definite source of history on this famous English brand name, but these links are good. My recollections of the 1980s are that our factory's hand tools &amp; cutters etc were all from the James Neill company, but they don't seem part of the Record story.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.recordhandplanes.com/history.html">http://www.recordhandplanes.com/history.html</a><br />
<a href="https://www.gracesguide.co.uk/Record_Tools">https://www.gracesguide.co.uk/Record_Tools</a><br />
(The Graces Guide website can be very useful and interesting indeed when researching old British brand names and their trees).</p>
<p>These forum threads may interest/help you date it etc.<br />
<a href="http://www.ukworkshop.co.uk/forums/record-vice-history-t68453.html">http://www.ukworkshop.co.uk/forums/record-vice-history-t68453.html</a><br />
<a href="http://www.mig-welding.co.uk/forum/threads/record-vice-no-24-spot-the-fake.69347/">http://www.mig-welding.co.uk/forum/threads/record-vice-no-24-spot-the-fake.69347/</a><br />
<a href="http://www.sawmillcreek.org/showthread.php?168557-Information-on-Vintage-Record-52-1-2-D-Woodworkers-Vise">http://www.sawmillcreek.org/showthread.php?168557-Information-on-Vintage-Record-52-1-2-...</a></p>
<p>Interesting to see that some were being made in India in the 1980s, whether by licence or backstreet dodgy-copies I don't know. This was certainly when engineering was taking a big downturn here so maybe it was by licence and they were properly-built for Record while taking advantage of cheaper labour rates etc, and not like the fragile pirate ones that sometimes sell nowadays (which are not  &quot;made in England&quot; despite the casting displaying as such - easy to cast cheap copies using a genuine original casting as a pattern of course).  Reminds me of our metalwork classes at the Royal Forest Grammar, we made G clamps which unfortunately broke the moment they were tightened-up - largely cos the clamp G body was made of weak aluminium that we'd cast ourselves, a good learning exercise on several levels if nowt else !  (and cheaper for the school, as the broken clamps were melted-down for the next class..)</p>
<p>hope this is of interest, thanks for your enquiry !<br />
atb Jeff</p>
<p>PS  Please note I've been updating my earlier post abt Thomas, so you may like to revisit it to catch the additions.</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BNA Gloucester Citizen - Thursday 14 October 1948</p>
<p>GLOUCESTER DIVORCE COURT YESTERDAY</p>
<p>Thomas William Bonser, 36, Church-road, Cinderford against Ivy Evelyn Bonser, 115, Southstreet, Carr-lane, Wakefield, Yorks.; desertion.</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow thanks Mike, that is an awesome reference.</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks @Jefff. No worries. I have found similar references online as far as business references/listings sites go, with very limited info and all have proven dead ends. It seems as though those listings are pulling that info from public records, which I've been unable to find.</p>
<p>I hadn't found that reference to John Bonser yet, I will follow that up.</p>
<p>Just some background, I live in the US, and I came across an old furniture makers workbench, it has a makers mark that reads &quot;T.W. Bonsor The Workshop Church Street Cinderford, Glos.&quot; It has an old Record No. 52p vise that was sold circa 1950's and was manufactured in England. It's an awesome piece and I'm trying to track down it's history and how it ended up in Charleston, SC.</p>
<p>I believe that the workbench is at the least fifty years old and maybe as much as a hundred years<strong>(Obviously not:) Maybe 80 - 50 yrs)</strong>, but that is just my judgement based on the construction method, appearance, fittings, and the vise (which admittedly could have been mounted at anytime after the 50s or 60s.</p>
<p>edit: revised the age to 80-50 yrs based on a 1911 birth and his testimony of building the gate in 1936.</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Mike, and apologies to Dave for thinking this was much more recent, presumably the company name was kept.</p>
<p>Suspect this is the same man, from this site's PRs database ? <br />
During wartime I doubt there would be much work or money in the joinery business (or even wood available for new products ?);</p>
<p><span style="color:#006;">Record_ID: 1021911<br />
Entry_Number: 86<br />
Year: 1944<br />
Month: Jul<br />
Day: 22<br />
Grooms_Surname: BONSER<br />
Grooms_Forenames: Thomas William<br />
Grooms_Age: 33<br />
Groom_Condition: Bachelor<br />
Grooms_Occupation: Collier<br />
Grooms_Residence: 36 Church Road<br />
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Bonser<br />
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: Thomas<br />
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Collier<br />
Brides_Surname: PRICE<br />
Brides_Forenames: Ivy Evelyn<br />
Brides_Age: 26<br />
Brides_Condition: Spinster<br />
Brides_Occupation: <br />
Brides_Residence: 115 South St Carr Lane Haycroft<br />
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Price<br />
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Herbert Edward<br />
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Collier<br />
Licence_or_Banns: Banns<br />
Date_of_Banns: <br />
Signature_or_Mark: both sign<br />
Witness_1: R H Price<br />
Witness_2: H E Price<br />
Other_Witnesses: <br />
Officiating_Minister: Tom T Haines Vicar<br />
Event: Marriage<br />
Memoranda: <br />
Notes: <br />
Register_Reference: P85/1 IN 1/8<br />
Page_Number: 43<br />
Parish_Chapel: Cinderford St John<br />
Soundex_Groom: B526<br />
Soundex_Bride: P620<br />
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From FreeBMD, luckily he should sneak just inside the 1911 Census.<span style="color:#006;"><br />
Surname   First name(s)   Age   District   Vol   Page <br />
Births Mar 1911   (&gt;99%)<br />
Bonser  Thomas W     Westbury S.  6a 261</span></p>
<p>Glos BMD shows he is indeed part of the FURLEY line, and in fact is mentioned in Slowhands' post earlier up this thread;<span style="color:#006;"><br />
Child Surname Child Forename Mother's Former Name Year District Office Register Entry  <br />
BONSER Thomas William FURLEY 1911 Forest of Dean Westbury on Severn, East Dean 18 495 </span></p>
<p>FamilySearch has his death &amp; hence birthdate;<br />
<span style="color:#006;"><br />
Name  Thomas William Bonser<br />
Event Type  Death Registration<br />
Registration Quarter  Apr-May-Jun<br />
Registration Year  1989<br />
Registration District  Forest Of Dean<br />
County  Gloucestershire<br />
Event Place  Forest Of Dean, Gloucestershire, England<br />
Birth Date (available after June quarter 1969)  19 Feb 1911<br />
Volume  22<br />
Page  1683</span></p>
<p><br />
And the </p>
<p><span style="color:#006;">1911 Census; East Dean, Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#006;">Household Role Sex Age Birthplace<br />
Thomas Bonser  Head  M  38  COAL MINER HEWER BELOW GROUND. Cinderford, Gloucestershire<br />
Ellen Bonser  Wife  F  34  Cinderford, Gloucestershire<br />
Elizabeth Bonser  Daughter  F  12  School. Cinderford, Gloucestershire<br />
Robert Bonser  Son  M  10  Cinderford, Gloucestershire<br />
Alice Bonser  Daughter  F  7  Cinderford, Gloucestershire<br />
Sam Bonser  Son  M  4  Cinderford, Gloucestershire<br />
Mary Bonser  Daughter  F  3  Cinderford, Gloucestershire<br />
William Bonser  Son  M  0  Cinderford, Gloucestershire</span></p>
<p><br />
FreeBMD suggests Thomas remarried in last quarter of 1949;<br />
<span style="color:#006;"><br />
Surname   First name(s)   Mother/Spouse/Age   District   Vol   Page <br />
Marriages Dec 1949   (&gt;99%)<br />
Bonser  Thomas W  Thomas  F.of Dean  7b 766 <br />
Thomas  Kathleen A  Bonser  F.of Dean  7b 766 </span></p>
<p>GlosBMD confirms this;<br />
<span style="color:#006;"><br />
Groom Surname Groom Forename Bride Surname Bride Forename District Parish Building   Year Register Entry  <br />
BONSER Thomas William THOMAS Kathleen Anne Forest of Dean Forest of Dean Register Office [Closed]  1949 16 61</span></p>
<p>I cannot find an obvious death for first wife Ivy (clearly because she hadn't, thanks to Mike's simultaneous post ref desertion).</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BNA Gloucester Citizen - Saturday 04 November 1950</p>
<p>Littledean Bench</p>
<p>During the trial of Denzil Sydney MEEK for the larceny of a garden gate,</p>
<p>……………A Cinderford carpenter and joiner, <strong>Thomas William</strong> Bonser, Church-road, said the gate was one he had made for Mrs. Morgan in 1936………………</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi David and welcome to this forum.<br />
Please can you give an approximate date for T.W. Bonser's business ?<br />
The more info you can share, the more chance we have of helping you.<br />
atb J</p>
<p>PS  that said, searching the net suggests its very recent indeed, so perhaps beyond the scope of this site ?<br />
eg <a href="https://cinderford.cylex-uk.co.uk/company/t-w-bonser-16477209.html">https://cinderford.cylex-uk.co.uk/company/t-w-bonser-16477209.html</a><br />
Maybe contact a John Bonser ? wrt <a href="http://www.uk-local-search.co.uk/business/t%2Bw%2Bbonser/1558821/">http://www.uk-local-search.co.uk/business/t%2Bw%2Bbonser/1558821/</a></p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello @plum I know this is an old post but I was hoping you could help me out given the details in your question.</p>
<p>I am researching a T. W. Bonser who owned a joinery business at 52 Church St. Cinderford, Gloucestershire known as The Workshop. I have been unable to unearth anything as I do not know what names the initials are for(Thomas W.?).</p>
<p>I chanced upon your post and I wonder if you have come across any information in your research.</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you have the Upper Lydbrook Readings in mind ! or possibly Biblins :-)</p>
<p>This one is the one in the vicinity of Little Dean Hill / Dockham heading back down towards Littledean...</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Plum<br />
Dockham Road leaves Cinderford and joins up with Littedean Hill Road and then there is a slightly staggered junction before you drop down into Littledean via Reddings Lane passing through The Reddings.<br />
I used to live in a house called Reddings End there.<br />
Dave/Spain</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many thanks slowhands.  Another question, where is the Reddings where Ellen was born. Would that be near Staunton?</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Albert G Bonser 1915 Apr-May-Jun Furley  Westbury On Severn  Gloucestershire   <br />
 Clara Bonser 1917 Apr-May-Jun Furley  Westbury On Severn  Gloucestershire   <br />
 Lucy Bonser 1913 Apr-May-Jun Furley  Westbury On Severn  Gloucestershire <br />
 Robert Bonser 1901 Jan-Feb-Mar    Westbury On Severn  Gloucestershire   <br />
 Elizabeth Ann Bonsor 1898 Jul-Aug-Sep    Westbury On Severn  Gloucestershire  <br />
 Clara Annie Bonser 1897 Jan-Feb-Mar    Bridgend  Glamorgan  ??</p>
<p>1901<br />
Thomas Bonsor 1872  Littledean, Gloucestershire, England Head  East Dean, Gloucestershire <br />
Ellen Bonsor 1877  Littledean, Gloucestershire, England Wife  East Dean, Gloucestershire  <br />
 Annie Bonsor  1896  Glamshire, Wales Daughter  East Dean, Gloucestershire  <br />
 Elizabeth Bonsor 1898  East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter  East Dean, Gloucestershire  <br />
 Robert Bonsor 1900  East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son  East Dean, Gloucestershire</p>
<p>1891<br />
John Furley  abt 1830 Littledean, Gloucestershire, England Head  East Dean, Gloucestershire <br />
Ann Furley abt 1833 Littledean, Gloucestershire, England Wife  East Dean, Gloucestershire  <br />
 Ellen Furley  abt 1878 Reddings, Gloucestershire, England Daughter  East Dean, Gloucestershire</p>
<p>and some contenders or cousins !</p>
<p> Alice Bonser 1904 Jan-Feb-Mar    Westbury On Severn  Gloucestershire   <br />
 Doris Mary Bonser 1906 Jan-Feb-Mar    Westbury On Severn  Gloucestershire   <br />
 Elizabeth M Bonser 1910 Oct-Nov-Dec    Westbury On Severn  Gloucestershire   <br />
 Elsie May Bonser 1902 Apr-May-Jun    Westbury On Severn  Gloucestershire   <br />
 Ethel Maud Bonser 1908 Apr-May-Jun    Westbury On Severn  Gloucestershire   <br />
 Harold Thomas Bonser 1904 Apr-May-Jun    Westbury On Severn  Gloucestershire   <br />
 Horace Francis R Bonser 1909 Jul-Aug-Sep    Westbury On Severn  Gloucestershire   <br />
 Mary Bonser 1908 Jan-Feb-Mar    Westbury On Severn  Gloucestershire   <br />
 Reginald George T Bonser 1904 Jul-Aug-Sep    Westbury On Severn  Gloucestershire   <br />
 Royd William Bonser 1902 Jul-Aug-Sep    Westbury On Severn  Gloucestershire   <br />
 Sam Bonser 1906 Oct-Nov-Dec    Westbury On Severn  Gloucestershire   <br />
 Thomas W Bonser 1911 Jan-Feb-Mar    Westbury On Severn  Gloucestershire   <br />
 William Thomas Bonser 1905 Jul-Aug-Sep    Westbury On Severn  Gloucestershire</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'm trying to find details of Ellen Furley b. 1877 especially her marriage to Thomas Bonser b.abt 1873.  They lived at Church Road, Cinderford and produced 10 children. Can anyone help please?</p>
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