Forest of Dean FHT Forum - Jane BARNARD 1830 -1905

Jane BARNARD 1830 -1905 (reply)

slowhands — Sat, 14 Jun 2008 09:41:17 +0000

all I meant was in the same churchyard..... however I'm sure you would not be too surprised to find your interpretation !

Jane BARNARD 1830 -1905 (reply)

Jean Herbert — Sat, 14 Jun 2008 06:26:02 +0000

Many thanks to everyone who contributed to the search. May I just asks Slowhands if he meant that Jane was actually buried with her first husband?
Jean Herbert

Richard YEMM 1834 - 1860 Ruardean / St Whites Cinderford (reply)

slowhands — Fri, 13 Jun 2008 10:20:07 +0000

Jim

its a pleasure to help fit the jig saw puzzle together
s

Richard YEMM 1834 - 1860 Ruardean / St Whites Cinderford (reply)

jimashton — Fri, 13 Jun 2008 04:00:18 +0000

Hi Jean, Slowhands & others

I followed this thread with great interest, much of the information I had already received from Jean. I hadn't though realised before slowhands uncovered it that the Richard Yemm concerned was the son of Robert Yemm & Elizabeth Powell - married Huntley 7.4.1834.

Having made this connection, I can add to this interesting thread :

Richard Yemm had a brother Moses as you can see from the census data Slowhands provided. Moses married Elizabeth Anthony 12.11.1865 Newnham, having 4 children including Emily Edith Yemm 24.6.1871 Ruardean, they emigrated to US in 1881. Edith Emily Yemm became the third wife of Thomas Trump marrying 9.8.1894 Brazil, Clay IN, USA. The first wife of Thomas Trump was Dora Read, daughter of William Read & Selina Marfell, Dora had a sister Rachel who married Amos Gibbs. In the 1900 US Census Thomas Trump was shown to have emigrated to US in 1880, but he couldn't have done as he was in jail in England for shooting the above mentioned Amos Gibbs. Now refer to the "Stories" section under the "Download" heading and see an item I submitted - "Shooting at Ruardean"

Jim Ashton

Jane BARNARD 1830 -1905 (reply)

slowhands — Thu, 12 Jun 2008 21:35:30 +0000

Year: 1830
Month: Nov
Day: 12
Parents_Surname: PHELPS
Child_Forenames: Jane
Fathers_Forenames: James
Mothers_Forenames: Prudence
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Hundred of St. Briavels
Occupation: Lime burner
Officiating_Minister: R Cope Wolfe
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P1 IN 1/7
Page_Number: 28
Parish_Chapel: Abenhall

1841 Horsepool Bottom
James Phelps abt 1786 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Prudance Phelps abt 1786 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Phelps abt 1826 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Jane Phelps abt 1831 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Mary Phelps abt 1821 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Thomas Phelps abt 1826 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Willam Phelps abt 1827 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire

1851
James Philips abt 1782 Longhope, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
Prudence Philips abt 1786 Abinghall, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire
Jane Philips abt 1831 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire

< see rest of thread !>

1891 Hazel Hill
Jane Barnard abt 1831 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
Walter Barnard Jane abt 1868 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Willard Barnard Jane abt 1867 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire

1901 Collafield
Walter Barnard abt 1868 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
Eliza Barnard abt 1872 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire
Emily Barnard abt 1900 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Lily Barnard abt 1900 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Jane Barnard abt 1831 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Mother East Dean, Gloucestershire

Year: 1905
Month: Nov
Day: 19
Surname: BARNARD
Forenames: Jane
Residence: Collafield near Littledean
Age_at_death: 73 years
Officiating_Minister: W. Hodder Curate of Coleford
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P85/1 IN 1/14
Page_No: 132
Parish_Chapel: Cinderford St Johns

< with husband Richard YEMM ?>

William BARNARD m Jane YEMM 1866 Gloucester (reply)

slowhands — Thu, 12 Jun 2008 21:12:07 +0000

Name:Jane Yemm
Name: William Barnard
Year of Registration: 1866
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Gloucester (1837-1937)
County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 494

Year: 1833
Month: Apr
Day: 22
Parents_Surname: BARNARD
Child_Forenames: William
Fathers_Forenames: William
Mothers_Forenames: Sophia
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Plump Forest of Dean
Occupation: Labourer
Officiating_Minister: George Cox Curate
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P 220 IN 1/3
Page_Number: 59
Parish_Chapel: Mitcheldean

1841
William Barnett abt 1806 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Sophia Barnett abt 1805 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Eliza Barnett abt 1836 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Hannah Barnett abt 1832 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
James Barnett abt 1827 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Timothy Barnett abt 1830 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
William Barnett abt 1833 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
John Barnett abt 1796 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire

1851
Willm Barnard abt 1797 Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
Eliza Barnard abt 1836 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Hannah Barnard abt 1841 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
James Barnard abt 1825 Lea Baily, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Timothy Barnard abt 1825 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
William Barnard abt 1834 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire

Date :7 Mar 1871
Name : William BARNARD
Forenames: William
Residence: East Dean
Age_at_death: 38
Officiating_Minister: William Charles Fox Curate
Register_Reference: P 220 in 1/9
Page_No: 87
Parish_Chapel: Mitcheldean

Richard YEMM 1834 - 1860 Ruardean / St Whites Cinderford (reply)

slowhands — Thu, 12 Jun 2008 21:03:46 +0000

Name: Richard Yemm
Year of Registration: 1860
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Westbury On Severn
County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 104

Year: 1860
Month: Aug
Day: 19
Surname: YEMM
Forenames: Richard
Residence: St. Whites
Age_at_death: 26 years
Officiating_Minister: J.G.Smythies
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P85/1 in 1/12
Page_No: 47
Parish_Chapel: Cinderford St Johns

Yemm Richard
Accident 30/07/1860
Age 26
Collier at Lightmoor
Somebody had left the half flap up in the shaft which Yemm being acquainted with walked over the
opposite flap and fell to the bottom.
Died 13th. Aug.

1851 Pludds
Robert Yemm abt 1811 Ploods East Deane Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Yemm abt 1814 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire
Elizth Yemm abt 1838 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Marcy Yemm abt 1837 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Moses Yemm abt 1844 East Deane Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Richard Yemm abt 1835 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Robert Yemm abt 1840 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Sophia Yemm abt 1849 East Deane Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Thos Yemm abt 1842 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire

1841 Hy Street Ruardean
Robert Yemm abt 1811 Gloucestershire, England Ruardean, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Yemm abt 1815 Gloucestershire, England Ruardean, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Yemm abt 1837 Gloucestershire, England Ruardean, Gloucestershire
Mary Yemm abt 1834 Gloucestershire, England Ruardean, Gloucestershire
Nk Yemm abt 1841 Gloucestershire, England Ruardean, Gloucestershire
Robert Yemm abt 1839 Gloucestershire, England Ruardean, Gloucestershire

Year: 1834
Month: Feb
Day: 2
Parents_Surname: YAMM
Child_Forenames: Richard [?]
Fathers_Forenames: Robert
Mothers_Forenames: Elizabeth
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Ruardean
Occupation: Collier
Officiating_Minister: W. W. Cazalet Curate
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: Son of
Notes:
Register_Reference: P275 IN 1/7
Page_Number: 82
Parish_Chapel: Ruardean

Richard YEMM m Jane PHELPS 1855 East Dean (reply)

slowhands — Thu, 12 Jun 2008 20:46:06 +0000

Name: Jane Phelps
Name: Richard Yemm
Year of Registration: 1855
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Westbury On Severn
County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 363

Robert and Annie YEMM East Dean (reply)

slowhands — Thu, 12 Jun 2008 20:21:23 +0000

Name: Robert Yem*
Year of Registration: 1858
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Westbury On Severn
County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 203

Name: Annie Yemm
Year of Registration: 1860
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Westbury On Severn
County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 206

Year: 1863
Month: Jan
Day: 6
Parents_Surname: YEMM
Child_Forenames: Annie
Fathers_Forenames:
Mothers_Forenames: Jane
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: East Dean
Occupation: Widow
Officiating_Minister: J. Davies
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P1 IN 1/8
Page_Number: 9
Parish_Chapel: Abenhall

Walter & Willard BARNARD Abenhall East Dean (reply)

slowhands — Thu, 12 Jun 2008 20:11:25 +0000

Name: Willard Barnard
Year of Registration: 1866
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Westbury On Severn
County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 191

Year: 1866
Month: Jul
Day: 22
Parents_Surname: BARNETT
Child_Forenames: Willard
Fathers_Forenames: William
Mothers_Forenames: Jane
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: East Dean
Occupation: Miner
Officiating_Minister: J. Davies
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P1 IN 1/8
Page_Number: 21
Parish_Chapel: Abenhall

Name: Walter Barnard
Year of Registration: 1867
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Westbury On Severn
County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 208

Year: 1867
Month: Dec
Day: 10
Parents_Surname: BARNETT
Child_Forenames: Walter
Fathers_Forenames: William
Mothers_Forenames: Jane
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: East Dean
Occupation: Miner
Officiating_Minister: John Senior
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P1 IN 1/8
Page_Number: 25
Parish_Chapel: Abenhall

Annie Yemm 1863 (reply)

ChrisW — Thu, 12 Jun 2008 14:51:42 +0000

Yup. I did tell 'er that Dewey!
That's why she can't find a marriage in the FoD records.

Cheers
Chris

Annie Yemm 1863 (reply)

Dewey — Thu, 12 Jun 2008 14:36:11 +0000

The freeBMD shows a marriage for Jane Yemm and Walter Barnard in June 1866 in the district of Gloucester. So the baptism of the Barnard children was likely in a Gloucester parish and not an FOD parish.
Dewey

Annie Yemm 1863 (reply)

Dewey — Thu, 12 Jun 2008 14:24:15 +0000

Have you considered that the father, Richard, died about the time that the child was born and in such a situation the baptism may not have been done at that time. When the child was three years old it was performed. Maybe the clergy forgot to enter Richard, deceased in the records for father.
Dewey

Annie Yemm 1863 (reply)

ChrisW — Thu, 12 Jun 2008 09:11:10 +0000

On the other hand - just found the baptism that Jean mentioned:

Record_ID: 839
Entry_Number: 68
Year: 1863
Month: Jan
Day: 6
Parents_Surname: YEMM
Child_Forenames: Annie
Fathers_Forenames:
Mothers_Forenames: Jane
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: East Dean
Occupation: Widow
Officiating_Minister: J. Davies
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P1 IN 1/8
Page_Number: 9
Parish_Chapel: Abenhall
Soundex: Y500

Amos Yemm m Emma Phelps 1853 (reply)

ChrisW — Thu, 12 Jun 2008 08:24:07 +0000

Could this be the answer?

Record_ID: 4165
Entry_Number: 122
Year: 1853
Month: Jan
Day: 12
Grooms_Surname: YEMM
Grooms_Forenames: Amos
Grooms_Age: 23
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Farm Servant
Grooms_Residence: Moseley
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Yemm
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: Thomas
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Farmer
Brides_Surname: PHELPS
Brides_Forenames: Emma
Brides_Age: 23
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Moseley
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Phel-s
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: James
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Victualler
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both Signed
Witness_1: George Phelps
Witness_2: Elizabeth Meek
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: G. Fruck
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/6
Page_Number: 61
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook
Soundex_Groom: Y500
Soundex_Bride: P412

Was Emma the sister of Jane? Was Ann the daughter of Amos & Emma Yemm?

Walter & Willard/William on 1871 (reply)

Jean Herbert — Thu, 12 Jun 2008 05:29:18 +0000

Thank you Chris W for your reply. I agree that Willard is possibly William but- where on earth did all these children appear from, they seem to have been born after husband died or am I missing something? Note baptism of child Ann. Her supposed father died in 1860, child Ann (no fathers name on baptism) born 1863. And, Arthur???? (for and behalf of Jean Herbert incapacitated)

Walter & Willard/William on 1871 (reply)

ChrisW — Thu, 12 Jun 2008 05:13:59 +0000

The 1871 census shows Arthur and Robert but not Willard and Walter.

1871 Census East Dean
RG10 piece 2601 folio 47 page 7
Address: Edge Hill
Jane Barnard Head (looks like widow) age 39 born abt 1832 East Dean
Walter Barnard Son age 3 born abt 1868 East Dean
William Barnard Son age 4 born abt 1867 East Deab
Arthur Gernn Son occ: Iron Miner age 14 born abt 1857 East Dean
Robert Gernn Son occ: Iron Miner age 13 born abt 1858 East Dean

Looks like Willard could be William?

Chris

PS Hope eye op went ok!

Jane Phelps/Yemm/Barnard

Jean Herbert — Thu, 12 Jun 2008 04:28:45 +0000

Jane Phelps was born in 1830, registered in Abenhal. (baptism taken from this site). Her parents were James and Prudence Phelps.
I am having many problems tracing this lady, and am posting this on the site in the hope that someone may either correct my mistakes and point me in the right direction OR HOPEFULLY tell me that my findings are correct:

A Jane Phelps married Richard Yemm in 1855 Gloucester. Q3 vol 6a page 104 (taken from Ancestry BMD). No record found as yet on FoD website of marriage)

Richard Yemm died in 1860 Gloucester. Q3 vol 6a page 363 page 104 (taken from Ancestry BMD) No record found as yet on FoD website of death.

Jane is next found living with her parents James and Prudence Phelps
1861 Census East Dean
RG9 piece 1756 folio 52 page 7
Address: Horsepool Bottom
James Phelps Head occ: Laborer age 83 born abt 1778 Longhope
Prudence Phelps Wife age 75 born abt 1786 Abinhall
Jane Yemm Dau occ: House Duties age 30 born abt 1831 East Dean
Arthur Yemm Grandson age 11 Scholar born abt 1850 East Dean
Ann Yemm Grandaughter age 1 born abt 1860 East Dean

The above census is very puzzling. I did find a baptism of Ann Yemm on FoD but dated 1863, long after Richard Yemm died. The 1861 census also shows an Arthur Yemm born abt 1850 but I can find no record for him.

Jane is not found on 1871 census under name of Phelps but I did find a record of a marriage to a William Barnard in 1886. Q2 vol 6a page 494. Record taken from Ancestry BMD, no record found as yet on FOD website.

A record of burial found on FoD website for a William Barnard

Record_ID: 30210
Entry_Number: 693
Date :7 Mar 1871
Name : William BARNARD
Forenames: William
Residence: East Dean
Age_at_death: 38
Officiating_Minister: William Charles Fox Curate
Register_Reference: P 220 in 1/9
Page_No: 87
Parish_Chapel: Mitcheldean

1871 Census East Dean
RG10 piece 2601 folio 47 page 7
Address: Edge Hill
Jane Barnard Head (looks like widow) age 39 born abt 1832 East Dean
Walter Barnard Son age 3 born abt 1868 East Dean
William Barnard Son age 4 born abt 1867 East Deab
Arthur Gernn Son occ: Iron Miner age 14 born abt 1857 East Dean
Robert Gernn Son occ: Iron Miner age 13 born abt 1858 East Dean
(please note that if you read the actual census the two Gernn boy's surnames should read Yemm)No baptism found yet for either of the two boys)

1881 Census Westbury on Severn
RG11 piece 2524 folio 21 page 16
Jane Barnard Head Widow age 49 born abt 1832 East Dean
Arthur Yemm Son occ: Coal Miner age 24 born abt 1857 East Dean
Robert Yemm Son occ: Coal Miner age 23 born abt 1858 East Dean
Willard Barnard Son occ: Iron Miner age 14 born abt 1867 East Dean
Walter Barnard Son Scholar age 13 born abt1868 East Dean
(no baptism or birth for any of the above sons. The 1871 census shows Arthur and Robert but not Willard and Walter.

I have Jane on 1891 and 1901 but by now I am totally confused and not at all certain that I have been following the correct family. Can anyone help? regards Jean Herbert (typed for Jean whilst incapacited)