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<title>Alice GARNER nee PHELPS, HOWELL 1868 Milkwall (reply)</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1881<br />
 Martha Garner  abt 1846 Bilston, Staffordshire, England Head  Castleford, Yorkshire  <br />
Arthur Garner  abt 1873 Castleford, Yorkshire, England Son  Castleford, Yorkshire  <br />
 Fred Garner  abt 1875 Castleford, Yorkshire, England Son  Castleford, Yorkshire  <br />
 George Garner  abt 1863 Old Whittington, Derbyshire, England Son  Castleford, Yorkshire  <br />
 Jim Garner  abt 1869 Castleford, Yorkshire, England Son  Castleford, Yorkshire  <br />
 Sarah Jane Garner abt 1879 Castleford, Yorkshire, England Daughter  Castleford, Yorkshire  <br />
 Thomas Garner  abt 1865 Castleford, Yorkshire, England Son  Castleford, Yorkshire  <br />
 Walter Garner  abt 1872 Castleford, Yorkshire, England Son  Castleford, Yorkshire </p>
<p>Lucy Phelps ???<br />
Name: Thomas Garner <br />
Year of Registration: 1889  <br />
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun  <br />
District: Pontefract  <br />
County: Yorkshire - West Riding, West Yorkshire  <br />
Volume: 9c  <br />
Page: 139  </p>
<p>Name: Alice Garner <br />
Year of Registration: 1889  <br />
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep  <br />
District: Pontefract  <br />
County: Yorkshire - West Riding, West Yorkshire  <br />
Volume: 9c  <br />
Page: 145 </p>
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1891<br />
 Thomas Garner abt 1865 Castleford, Yorkshire, England Head  Whitwood, Yorkshire  <br />
Alice Garner  abt 1869 Milkwall, Gloucestershire, England Wife  Whitwood, Yorkshire  <br />
 Alice Garner  abt 1890 Castleford, Yorkshire, England Daughter  Whitwood, Yorkshire <br />
 Walter Garner  abt 1872 Castleford, Yorkshire, England Boarder  Whitwood, Yorkshire</p>
<p>Name: Thomas Garner ??<br />
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864 <br />
Year of Registration: 1900 <br />
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec <br />
Age at Death: 36 <br />
District: Pontefract <br />
County: Yorkshire - West Riding, West Yorkshire <br />
Volume: 9c <br />
Page: 101 </p>
<p>1901 ?</p>
<blockquote><blockquote><p>and at first this looked like a complete red herring , but this is a Niece to Alice from Milkwall</p>
</blockquote></blockquote><p>Name: Alice Ann Garner <br />
Year of Registration: 1897  <br />
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep  <br />
District: Pontefract  <br />
County: Yorkshire - West Riding, West Yorkshire  <br />
Volume: 9c  <br />
Page: 161  </p>
<p> 1901<br />
George Garner  abt 1863  Whittington, Derbyshire, England Head  Castleford, Yorkshire  <br />
 Mary Garner  abt 1863  Castleford, Yorkshire, England Wife  Castleford, Yorkshire <br />
Alice A Garner  abt 1898  Castleford, Yorkshire, England Daughter  Castleford, Yorkshire  <br />
 George R Garner abt 1890  Castleford, Yorkshire, England Son  Castleford, Yorkshire  <br />
 Leonard Garner abt 1886  Castleford, Yorkshire, England Son  Castleford, Yorkshire  </p>
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1901<br />
George Cookson abt 1876  Pontefract, Yorkshire, England Head  Pontefract, Yorkshire  <br />
 Sarah E Cookson  abt 1876  Meshley, Yorkshire, England Wife  Pontefract, Yorkshire <br />
 Herbert Cookson  abt 1896  Pontefract, Yorkshire, England Son  Pontefract, Yorkshire  </p>
<p>Name: Herbert Cookson<br />
Name: Alice A Garner <br />
Year of Registration: 1919  <br />
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun  <br />
Spouse's Surname: Cookson  <br />
District: Pontefract  <br />
County: Yorkshire - West Riding, West Yorkshire  <br />
Volume: 9c  <br />
Page: 234  </p>
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Name: George H Cookson <br />
Year of Registration: 1919  <br />
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec  <br />
Mother's Maiden Name: Garner  <br />
District: Pontefract  <br />
County: Yorkshire - West Riding, West Yorkshire  <br />
Volume: 9c  <br />
Page: 34_</p>
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<title>Mary HOWELL 1848 Milkwall (reply)</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Year: 1848 <br />
Month: Jly <br />
Day: 5 <br />
Parents_Surname: HOWELL <br />
Child_Forenames: Mary <br />
Fathers_Forenames: James <br />
Mothers_Forenames: Eliza <br />
Mothers_Surname:  <br />
Residence: Milkwall <br />
Occupation: Collier <br />
Officiating_Minister: J L Sisson DDPerpetual Curate Coleford <br />
Event: Baptism <br />
Memoranda:  <br />
Notes:  <br />
Register_Reference: P 93 IN 1/5 <br />
Page_Number: 85 <br />
Parish_Chapel: Coleford </p>
<p>1851 Milkwall<br />
 Margaret Hewell  abt 1783  Lane End, Glamorgan, Wales Head  Newland, Gloucestershire <br />
James Hewell  abt 1821  Coleford, Glamorgan, Wales Son  Newland, Gloucestershire <br />
 Eliza Hewell abt 1825  Milkwall, Glamorgan, Wales Wife  Newland, Gloucestershire  <br />
 Hannah Hewell abt 1851  Milkwall, Glamorgan, Wales Daughter  Newland, Gloucestershire  <br />
 Mary Hewell  abt 1849  Milkwall, Glamorgan, Wales Daughter  Newland, Gloucestershire <br />
 James Hewell  abt 1837  Lane End, Glamorgan, Wales Nephew  Newland, Gloucestershire  </p>
<p>1861<br />
 James Howell  abt 1819  Newland, Gloucestershire, England Head  Newland, Gloucestershire  <br />
Eliza Howell  abt 1825  West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife  Newland, Gloucestershire  <br />
 Ellen Howell  abt 1855  Newland, Gloucestershire, England Daughter  Newland, Gloucestershire  <br />
 Esther Howell  abt 1861  Newland, Gloucestershire, England Daughter  Newland, Gloucestershire  <br />
 Hannah Howell  abt 1852  Newland, Gloucestershire, England Daughter  Newland, Gloucestershire  <br />
 James Howell  abt 1853  Newland, Gloucestershire, England Son  Newland, Gloucestershire  <br />
 John Howell  abt 1857  Newland, Gloucestershire, England Son  Newland, Gloucestershire  <br />
 Mary Howell abt 1849  Newland, Gloucestershire, England Daughter  Newland, Gloucestershire  <br />
 Richard Howell abt 1859  Newland, Gloucestershire, England Son  Newland, Gloucestershire </p>
<p>Name: Alice Hannah P Howell <br />
Year of Registration: 1868  <br />
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec  <br />
District: Monmouth (1837-1939)  <br />
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire  <br />
Volume: 11a  <br />
Page: 21  </p>
<p>&lt; I wonder if the P is for Phelps ?&gt;</p>
<p>1871 Milkwall<br />
James Howell 51  <br />
Eliza Howell 46  <br />
Eliza Howell 7  <br />
Ellen Howell 16  <br />
Esther Howell 10  <br />
James Howell 18  <br />
John Howell 15  <br />
Richard Howell 12  <br />
Thomas Howell 3 <br />
Mary Howell 22  <br />
Alice M D Howell 2  Grand Dau</p>
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<title>Alice H P Howell b 1868 (reply)</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the only birth reg I can find that is anything like!</p>
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Births Dec 1868   (&gt;99%)<br />
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HOWELL  Alice Hannah P     Monmouth  11a 21</p>
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<title>Clara Phelps b 1875 (reply)</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pontefract covers Castleford area:</p>
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Births Sep 1875   (&gt;99%)</p>
<p>Phelps  Clara    Pontefract  9c 103    </p>
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<p>Births Dec 1875   (&gt;99%)</p>
<p>Phelps  Clara Annie     Pontefract  9c 128</p>
<p>I couldn't find a birth reg. for Clara Howell in the area.</p>
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<title>William PHELPS 1846 Ruspidge (reply)</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Year: 1846 <br />
Month: Aug <br />
Day: 23 <br />
Parents_Surname: PHELPS <br />
Child_Forenames: William <br />
Fathers_Forenames: John <br />
Mothers_Forenames: Elizabeth <br />
Mothers_Surname:  <br />
Residence: Ruspidge <br />
Occupation: Hollier <br />
Officiating_Minister: J G Smythies <br />
Event: Baptism <br />
Memoranda:  <br />
Notes:  <br />
Register_Reference: P85 IN 1/1 <br />
Page_Number: 13 <br />
Parish_Chapel: Cinderford St Johns <br />
 </p>
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1851 Ruspidge<br />
 John Phelps  abt 1815  East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head  East Dean, Gloucestershire  <br />
Elizabeth Phelps  abt 1823  East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife  East Dean, Gloucestershire  <br />
 John Phelps  abt 1840  East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son  East Dean, Gloucestershire <br />
Charles Phelps abt 1844  East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son  East Dean, Gloucestershire  <br />
 George Phelps  abt 1850  East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son  East Dean, Gloucestershire  <br />
 William Phelps  abt 1846  East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son  East Dean, Gloucestershire  <br />
 William Phelps  abt 1827  East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Brother  East Dean, Gloucestershire </p>
<p>1861 Ruspidge<br />
 John Phelps  abt 1815  East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head  East Dean, Gloucestershire  <br />
 Elizabeth Phelps  abt 1823  East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife  East Dean, Gloucestershire  <br />
Daniell Phelps  abt 1859  East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son  East Dean, Gloucestershire  <br />
 Elizabeth Phelps  abt 1852  East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter  East Dean, Gloucestershire  <br />
 George Phelps  abt 1850  East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son  East Dean, Gloucestershire  <br />
 Samuel Phelps abt 1857  East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son  East Dean, Gloucestershire  <br />
 William Phelps abt 1847  East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son  East Dean, Gloucestershire </p>
<p>1871 Pontefract<br />
William Phelps  abt 1845  Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Lodger  Syndale, Yorkshire </p>
<p>&lt;looks like a reasonable fit &gt;<br />
Name: Mary Howell<br />
 Name: William Phelps <br />
Year of Registration: 1873  <br />
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun  <br />
District: Monmouth (1837-1939)  <br />
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire  <br />
Volume: 11a  <br />
Page: 83 </p>
<p>Name: Clara Annie Phelps <br />
Year of Registration: 1875  <br />
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec  <br />
District: Pontefract  <br />
County: Yorkshire - West Riding, West Yorkshire  <br />
Volume: 9c  <br />
Page: 128  </p>
<p><br />
or possibly</p>
<p> Name: Clara Phelps <br />
Year of Registration: 1875  <br />
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep  <br />
District: Pontefract  <br />
County: Yorkshire - West Riding, West Yorkshire  <br />
Volume: 9c  <br />
Page: 103  </p>
<p>Name: Jane Hannah Phelps <br />
Year of Registration: 1877  <br />
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep  <br />
District: Pontefract  <br />
County: Yorkshire - West Riding, West Yorkshire  <br />
Volume: 9c  <br />
Page: 138 </p>
<p>Name: William James Phelps <br />
Year of Registration: 1880  <br />
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun  <br />
District: Pontefract  <br />
County: Yorkshire - West Riding, West Yorkshire  <br />
Volume: 9c  <br />
Page: 133  </p>
<p>&lt;William with Mary's child A A H his step child and probably their children using HOWELL surname, the Boarders probably confused the Enumerator&gt;</p>
<p>1881  14 Union St<br />
 Willm. Phelps abt 1845 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Head  Whitwood, Yorkshire <br />
 Mary Phelps  abt 1848 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Wife  Whitwood, Yorkshire <br />
Jas. Howell  abt 1853 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Boarder  Whitwood, Yorkshire  <br />
 Jno. Howell  abt 1856 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Boarder  Whitwood, Yorkshire<br />
A. A. H. Howell  abt 1869 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Daughter  Whitwood, Yorkshire  <br />
 Clara Howell abt 1876 Castleford, Yorkshire, England Daughter  Whitwood, Yorkshire  <br />
 Hannah Howell abt 1878 Methley, Yorkshire, England Daughter  Whitwood, Yorkshire  <br />
 Willm. Howell abt 1880 Castleford, Yorkshire, England Son  Whitwood, Yorkshire  </p>
<p><br />
&lt;William with Mary's children now using PHELPS surname&gt;</p>
<p>1891 15 Union St<br />
 William Phelps  abt 1844 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Head  Whitwood, Yorkshire  <br />
Clara Phelps abt 1876 Methley, Yorkshire, England Daughter  Whitwood, Yorkshire  <br />
 Hannah Phelps  abt 1878 Methley, Yorkshire, England Daughter  Whitwood, Yorkshire  <br />
 Willie Phelps  abt 1880 Whitwood, Yorkshire, England Son  Whitwood, Yorkshire <br />
John Kowell  abt 1863 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Brother-in-law  Whitwood, Yorkshire   </p>
<p><br />
1901 Pontefract Union Workhouse <br />
William Phelps  abt 1841  Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Inmate  Tanshelf, Yorkshire</p>
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<title>Howell/Phelps</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>William Phelps baptised 23 Aug 1846 Cinderford.  Parents John and Elizabeth Phelps.<br />
1851/1861 census shows William at home with his parents.</p>
<p>1871 census shows William moved up to Yorkshire.<br />
William Phelps age 26 unmarried lodging in the household of Thomas and Jane Hale.  Address: Synedale Pontefract Yorkshire. </p>
<p><br />
1881 census shows William married to Mary.<br />
William and Mary Phelps.  This is where it get complicated.<br />
Children of William and Mary are:<br />
AAA Howell age 12 born abt 1869 Collaford Gloucestershire<br />
Clara Howell age 5 born abt 1876 Castleford Yorkshire<br />
William Howell age 1 born abt 1880 Castelford Yorkshire<br />
Hannah Howell age 3 born abt 1878 Castleford Yorkshire<br />
(Please note that the surname is Howell,not Phelps)<br />
Also shown as living at the same address are:<br />
Jas Howell born abt 1853 and Jno Howell born abt 1856, both Coal Miners</p>
<p>I found Mary at home with her parents James and Mary Howell, in 1871, Also shows child Alice (AAA?) together with Mary and her two brothers John and James.</p>
<p>Next census is 1891 where the childrens names have changed to Phelps.  Mary has recently died.</p>
<p>1901 census is a mystery.  The only one I could find was a william Phelps age 60 residing in the local Workhouse, but I am not certain it is him.</p>
<p>I was recently shown a record of marriage for a William Phelps and a Mary Howell June 1873 Monmouth vol 11a page 83 but not certain if this is correct.<br />
Can anyone tell me if William and Mary did marry and what happened to William in 1901.  Regards Jean Herbert</p>
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