Forest of Dean FHT Forum - HOWELL(S)/HAWKINS/PARLE(O)R

HOWELL(S)/HAWKINS/PARLE(O)R (reply)

m p griffiths — Fri, 09 Mar 2012 13:33:19 +0000

Without cross-checking it is difficult to say, whether the christian name of the father would be different.

With William Joseph HOWELL (father of Harry HOWELL) - Think it isn't often the middle name of the father is on a marriage certificate - but as I said before, this needs checking out, it could just be a bit of confusion., and from the GloucestershireBDM records, William HOWELLS was registered without the middle name of Joseph.

1911 Census, Joyford Hill, Nr Coleford, Glos (signed by E HOWELLS)

Living in 4 rooms

HOWELLS

William - 63 - Coal Hewer, all born West Dean
Ellen - 61 - 9 children born alive, 8 living, 1 dead
Harry - 20 - Single, Coal Collier, Miner, Hewer
Tom HOWELLS - Grandson - 11 School
Dorothy May HOWELLS - Grand-daughter - 5
Daisey Agness HOWELLS - Grand-daughter - 2

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1901 CENSUS, Monmouthshire West Dean

Joyford Hill

Wm HOWELLS - 55 - Coalminer, born West Dean
Ellen HOWELL - 53
William - 21
Ada - 23
Albert - 18
Frederick - 16
Harry - 10
Tom (Grandson 1)

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Using the Advance Search, children of William and Ellen - start with Clara in 1871 - address: Joyford Hill

Marriage at Christchurch - 22 December 1870

William HOWELLS - full age Widower,** Joyford Hill - father: Richard HOWELLS -

** so far no mention of Joseph as a middle name.....

married

Ellen HAWKINS, Spinster, of Joyford - father: William HAWKINS, labourer -

mark of Walter and Elizabeth HOWELLS

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1851 Census (Christchurch)

HOWELLS

Richard - 40 - born Coleford
Mary - 39, born Aston Ingham, Hereford
Walter - 10 - GloucestershireBDM, HOWELL mother's maiden name PARLER
William - 5 - Gloucestershire BDM, HOWELLS, mother's maiden name PARLOR - no middle name of Joseph
Elizabeth Portor? - lodger, Widow 64

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FOD records

Marriage at Newland - 24 December 1832

Richard HOWELL, bachelor, Hundred of St Briavels

married

Mary Ann PARLOR, Spinster, Newland

by banns: witnesses: William HOWELL and Mary WINTLE

Reynolds & Howell (reply)

unknown — Fri, 09 Mar 2012 13:24:28 +0000

Sorry m p griffiths,for misleading you with reference to Adeline's marriage cert,I do not have the original cert .I have what I found on FOD .Would the original have better info?
Regards,
Jeannine.

Joseph REYNOLDS/RANDLES - 1841 census (reply)

m p griffiths — Fri, 09 Mar 2012 13:21:04 +0000

1841 census, Taynton

part of workhouse

Mary RANDLES - 27 - Ag lab. born in County
Joseph RANDLES - 2

Reynolds & Howell (reply)

m p griffiths — Fri, 09 Mar 2012 13:07:14 +0000

I meant the actual marriage certificate you can purchase from the General Records Office.

His mother seems to have married again - see my 1851 census.

Reynolds & Howell (reply)

unknown — Fri, 09 Mar 2012 13:05:39 +0000

Hi m p griffths,
On the Transcript id 22870 entry no 416 Feb 7 1914.
Brides Father's Forename-William.

Joseph REYNOLDS 1839 (mother Mary) (reply)

unknown — Fri, 09 Mar 2012 13:00:54 +0000

Hi m p griffiths,

Thanks again with reference to Joseph Reynolds born 1839 in Taynton -Workhouse and his mother was Mary.
I found him lodging with a James Eskins in the 1861 census in Dymock, what would be great to know was where was he between 1839 and 1869..?He married Maria Swift in 1869.
Joseph is my g g grandfather,
Regards,
Jeannine.

Joseph REYNOLDS/RANDLES/BISHOP - 1851 census (reply)

m p griffiths — Fri, 09 Mar 2012 12:50:07 +0000

Does the actual marriage certificate have William's as father?

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FOD records

Marriage at Dymock - 29 September 1847

Thomas BISHOP - full Bachelor, of Ryton, father: Thomas BISHOP

married

Mary REYNOLDS - father John REYNOLDS

witnesses: Samuel JERVIS and Harriett TAYLOR

1851 Census, Dymock

BISHOP

Thomas - 50 - born Brockney, Worcestershire
Mary - 40
Thomas - 2
Joseph RANDALS - 11
Edwin RANDALS - 8 - on FOD records again Work House, Newent Parish, Edwin RANDLES, mother Mary

Gloucestershirebdm

BISHOP - mother's maiden name REYNOLDS, Gloucester Redmarley

James - 1855
Maryann - 1852
Thomas - 1848

Reynolds & Howell (reply)

unknown — Fri, 09 Mar 2012 12:45:17 +0000

Hi m p griffiths,
Once again thanks for getting back to me with reference to Mary Ann Reynolds & Arthur Palmer's Marriage of 1897.I was aware that Joseph her father had died in 1893,which is why I am still curious as to why Adeline Ellen has got William instead of Joseph as her Father.
Regards,
Jeannine.

Joseph REYNOLDS 1839 (mother Mary) (reply)

m p griffiths — Fri, 09 Mar 2012 12:38:34 +0000

Looking at the FOD records at Newent - 2 June 1839

Joseph REYNOLDS, mother's name Mary (Work House Taynton Parish)

REYNOLDS/HOWELL/SWIFT (reply)

unknown — Fri, 09 Mar 2012 12:34:59 +0000

Hi m p griffiths,
Thanks for getting back to me with reference to Adeline Ellen Reynolds.On her birth /baptism records of 21 july 1886 her parents were Joseph & Maria.

Regards,
Jeannine.

Reynolds & Howell (reply)

m p griffiths — Fri, 09 Mar 2012 09:16:31 +0000

Looking at the baptism of Mary Ann REYNOLDS at Dymock - 11 April 1873 - parents : Joseph (labourer) and Maria, residence, Ryton.

When Mary Ann REYNOLDS married at Dymock 3 May 1897 - to Arthur PALMER, she gives her residence as Hillend Green Dymock, and father as Joseph (labourer) deceased.

witnesses: Richard Thomas HAWLEY and Fanny HOWLEY.

1881 Census, Dymock, Black Lands

REYNOLDS

Joseph - 45 Ag Lab. born Taynton
Miria - 35 - born Dymock
Emma - 13
Henry - 11
Mary - 8
Alice - 6
Melia - 4
Thomas SWIFT, brother-in-law - age 70 born Dymock

REYNOLDS/HOWELL/SWIFT (reply)

m p griffiths — Thu, 08 Mar 2012 17:41:55 +0000

Background...

FOD records

Marriage at Newent - 7 February 1914

Harry HOWELL, AGE 24, Bachelor, Steam Electric crane driver, High Street, Newent
father: William Joseph HOWELL (needs checking whether the names are got a bit mixed up!)
married

Adeline Ellen REYNOLDS, age 27, Parlour maid, spinster, High Street, Newent
father: William REYNOLDS, deceased.

witnesses: William John Jellyman COOK and May LEWIS

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Marriage at Dymock 21 October 1869

Joseph REYNOLDS, bachelor, labourer, residence: Ryton,

father: REYNOLDS - forenames, not stated

married

Maria SWIFT, full, spinster, residence Ryton

father: Thomas SWIFT, labourer by banns.

witnesses: Thomas BISHOP and Fanny POOLE

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1891 Glos. Dymock

REYNOLDS

Joseph - 55 (FOD records, buried 14 May 1893 age 56)
Marie - 46 (Widow in Ledbury, Herefordshire, age 57, 1901 census)
Amelia - 14
Thos. Joseph - 11
Wm Fredk - 6
Adaline Ellen - 4

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1871 Census, Ryeton

REYNOLDS

Joseph, age 32, born Newent, Glos (later census says he was born in Taynton).
Maria, 25, born Dymock
Emma 2, - born Dymock

- Joseph REYNOLDS is age 23 on the 1861 census, lodger - born Newent

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?
GlosBDM do have a William REYNOLDS 1840 Newent, mother's maiden name PICK

1841 Census, Taynton

Ancestry transcribed as RENOLUS

John - 25 - born in County
Lucy - 20
William - 6 months

1851 Census, Transcribed as RANHALLS - and looking at Glostershirebdm - John and Lucy REYNOLDS, nee PICK had children up to 1863

Reynolds & Howell

unknown — Thu, 08 Mar 2012 15:46:06 +0000

I am slightly perplexed as to why Adeline Ellen Reynolds born 1886,Bromsberrow.Her Father is Joseph Reynolds,yet on her marriage details to Harry Howell on feb 4 1914 the father 's name is William Reynolds,is there a reason for this.?I would love to solve this.
Regards,
Jeannine