Forest of Dean FHT Forum - George COX, - Goal records or Workhouse?

George COX, - Goal records or Workhouse? (reply)

JRCoxUSA — Thu, 08 Oct 2009 23:33:34 +0000

There is a George Cox whose death was recorded at the Dursley Workhouse on February 13, 1892 at the age of 78 (Register Reference: G/DU69, Page No. 17). He died at the Cam workhouse and was buried there. This same George is listed in the 1881 Census as living at the Cam Workhouse as a farm laborer (http://www.workhouses.org.uk/index.html?Dursley/Dursley.shtml). With him is Harriet Cox aged 32. The census says they were both born at Cam but from looking at the birthplaces for some of the other inmates they might have simply listed which workhouses they were living in at the time. It seems this might be the George Cox married to Ann Matilda Jones (Brooks) and their daughter Harriet.

George COX, - Tetbury / Avening (reply)

slowhands — Sun, 27 Jan 2008 05:20:18 +0000

yes I suspect this Avening /Tetbury George as being the one in the Tetbury Workhouse !

George COX, - Tetbury / Avening (reply)

jcholak — Sun, 27 Jan 2008 05:05:33 +0000

This George Cox family was eliminated earlier since George's son, Thomas, (my 2x gr. grandfather) shows baptismal register listing Ann Matilda as mother and George as father.

Do you think the workhouse George Cox is not Thomas' father and Ann Matilda's husband, but is actually the George from Avening with spouse Sarah?

Thank you.

Jean

George COX, - Tetbury / Avening (reply)

slowhands — Sat, 26 Jan 2008 21:18:25 +0000

Jean

my suspicion falls on this George Cox - more work required but I think I "eliminated him earlier"

1851
George Cox abt 1818 Avening, Gloucestershire, England Head Avening, Gloucestershire
Sarah Cox abt 1816 Rodmarton, Gloucestershire, England Wife Avening, Gloucestershire
Ann Cox abt 1850 Avening, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Avening, Gloucestershire
Wm Cox abt 1848 Avening, Gloucestershire, England Son Avening, Gloucestershire

1861
George Cox abt 1822 Avening, Gloucestershire, England Head Avening, Gloucestershire
Sarah Cox abt 1824 Avening, Gloucestershire, England Wife Avening, Gloucestershire
Ann Cox abt 1850 Avening, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Avening, Gloucestershire
Charles Cox abt 1858 Avening, Gloucestershire, England Son Avening, Gloucestershire
Ellen Cox abt 1854 Avening, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Avening, Gloucestershire
John Cox abt 1860 Avening, Gloucestershire, England Son Avening, Gloucestershire
William Cox abt 1849 Avening, Gloucestershire, England Son Avening
Henry Smith abt 1791 Down Ampney, Gloucestershire, England Father-in-law Avening, Gloucestershire

George COX, - Goal records or Workhouse? (reply)

jcholak — Sat, 26 Jan 2008 17:38:16 +0000

Could this be my George Cox as an Inmate at the Union Workhouse in the 1901 England Census? The age and DOB year are exactly right for him.

1901 England Census 1901 England Census
Name: George Cox
Age: 79
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1822
Relation: Inmate
Gender: Male
Where born: Tetbury, Gloucestershire, England

Civil Parish: Tetbury
Ecclesiastical parish: Tetbury St Mary
Town: Tetbury
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England
Street address: Number 70 Union Street
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage: Widr
Education:
Employment status: Inmate

Registration district: Tetbury
Sub-registration district: Tetbury
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 70

This was the Union Workhouse, 70 Union Street, Tetbury. Is anyone familiar with it or can tell me something about it? I don't really know what is meant by "workhouse". Is there any way to obtain more information about the inmates who were kept there?

Would George have been kept at a workhouse rather than be sent to Australia for stealing sheep??? His condition as to marriage (I am assuming) means he was a "Widower". This would also be correct as Ann Matilda Cox died in 1886.

I would appreciate and value any opinions and/or information. Thank you.

Jean

George COX, - Goal records (reply)

slowhands — Sat, 19 Jan 2008 04:22:16 +0000

I'm confident ( as I can be !) the Goal records around 1841 are your George, and teh later ones are the younger Cheltenham George. I suspect the Cheltenham George is the one transported to Austrailia; however your George may have been transported on another ship , perhaps those records have yet to surface :-)_

George COX, - Goal records (reply)

jcholak — Sat, 19 Jan 2008 03:46:33 +0000

Mike and Slowhands,

Once again I thank both you gentlemen for coming to my rescue! I also believed that George Cox either "labored" in the military or at sea, thereby explaining why he did not appear on any census, or was confined somewhere. I could not get it to tie in anywhere, though, as I did not know how to access any goal records, nor have any time frame to look at since he had to be around when all these children were born!

Do either of you have a preference as to which George Cox is the most likely candidate in the goal records? Also, any suggestions as to how I can obtain proof of his identity in these records?

As for Ann Matilda, WOW! You two are brilliant. I did not suspect for a minute that she was the illegitimate daughter of Mary Jones who eventually married James Brooks. The kicker here is that I actually transcribed my 3x great-grandmother's baptism in the Bream baptismal register without being aware of doing so! I remember regarding the name as interesting since I had "Ann Matilda" in my family tree, but never made the connection.

Slowhands, you have come through so many times with vital info on my Cox/Tingle branch. And, Mike, I'm certain you were my Leadbeater source a few years back! Interesting, too, that the "Lodger" at my great-grandparents, Catherine and Edwin Cox, in Glamorgan, Wales was a "Gwilliam". The only Gwilliam in my FTM is "Eliza Gwilliam" who married George Leadbeater in 1868.

I now have several avenues to explore and will send for the marriage certs for George and Ann and also Mary Jones and James Brooks.

Thanks again, guys!

Jean

George COX, - Goal records (reply)

slowhands — Sat, 12 Jan 2008 05:49:36 +0000

logical progression

there was a George COX from Cheltenham area who seems to appear in Gloucester Goal about the same time frame - 1861 , perhaps this is him, the Physical description suggests this convict as unmarried with no children.

George COX, 1819 St Briavels - Goal records (reply)

shepway — Sat, 12 Jan 2008 05:11:06 +0000

Which prompts the question: Was he transported?

Looking at http://members.iinet.net.au/~perthdps/convicts/index.html
I find a George Cox was found guilty of Sheep Stealing at Gloucester in 1859 (same year as last child was born), sentenced to 6 years penal servitude and was transported on the Norwood in 1862. But his age is given as 25 which does not fit.

Mike

George COX, 1819 St Briavels - Goal records (reply)

slowhands — Sat, 12 Jan 2008 01:43:31 +0000

From Glos Archives http://www.gloucestershire.gov.uk/index.cfm?articleid=1348 :-

1837 cox george U St. Briavels Q/Gc5/5 labourer Gaol
1841 cox george U St. Briavels Q/Gc5/6 labourer Gaol
1845 cox george U Tidenham Q/Gc6/1 labourer Gaol

explains why he was missing :-)

1841 Gloucester Goal
George Cox abt 1819 Gloucestershire, England St Mary de Lode Gloucestershire
Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 356; Book: 10; Civil Parish: St Mary de Lode;
County: Gloucestershire; Enumeration District: Gloucester County Gaol;
Folio: 13; Page: 8; Line: 13; GSU roll: 288770.

Mike G
both getting to the same point !

George Cox, Clearwell (reply)

shepway — Sat, 12 Jan 2008 01:25:34 +0000

From FreeBMD:

Marriages Dec 1840
COCKS George Chepstow 26 67
JONES Ann Matilda Chepstow 26 67

Baptism:
Entry Number 202
Year 1818
Month Aug
Day 30
Parents Surname JONES
Child Forename(s) Ann Matilda
Father's Forename(s) [not stated]
Mother's Forename(s) Mary
Mother's Surname
Place of Residence Clever End [?]
Occupation Single Woman
Officiating Minister Hen. G. Poole Curator
Event type Baptism
Memoranda
Notes
Register Reference P57 IN 1/2
Page No 26
Parish_Chapel Bream

Marriage of Mary Jones:
Entry Number 144
Year 1825
Month Sep
Day 12
Groom Surname BROOKS
Groom Forename(s) James
Groom Age at Marriage
Groom condition Widower
Groom Rank or Profession
Groom Residence Hundred of St Briavels
Groom Father's Surname
Groom Father's Forename(s)
Groom Father's Rank or Profession
Bride Surname JONES
Bride Forename(s) Mary
Bride Age at Marriage
Bride Condition Spinster
Bride Rank or Profession
Bride Residence Hundred of St Briavels
Bride Father's Surname
Bride Father's Forename(s)
Bride Father's Rank or Profession
Licence or Banns Banns
Date of banns
Signature or Mark Both mark
Witness 1 Mark of John Brooks
Witness 2 Mark of Hester Brooks
Other witnesses Thomas Hulin Clark
Officiating Minister Walter Henry Hill Curate
Event type Marriage
Memoranda
Transcriber's Notes
Register Reference P278 IN 1/10
Page No 48
Parish_Chapel St Briavels

Cheers
Mike

George COX, Clearwell/ Hudnalls/ Tidenham (reply)

slowhands — Fri, 11 Jan 2008 20:39:35 +0000

getting the feeling that George may have been a traveller/boatman on the River Wye judging by his absence or reluctance to show on Census data !
however he is given as a labourer on baptism recs

< ah- Matilda 1820 ish may not be a BROOKS ??>

Year 1825
Month Sep
Day 12

Groom Surname BROOKS
Groom Forename(s) James
Groom Age at Marriage
Groom condition Widower
Groom Rank or Profession
Groom Residence Hundred of St Briavels
Groom Father's Surname
Groom Father's Forename(s)
Groom Father's Rank or Profession

Bride Surname JONES
Bride Forename(s) Mary
Bride Age at Marriage
Bride Condition Spinster
Bride Rank or Profession
Bride Residence Hundred of St Briavels
Bride Father's Surname
Bride Father's Forename(s)
Bride Father's Rank or Profession

Licence or Banns Banns
Date of banns
Signature or Mark Both mark
Witness 1 Mark of John Brooks
Witness 2 Mark of Hester Brooks
Other witnesses Thomas Hulin Clark
Officiating Minister Walter Henry Hill Curate
Event type Marriage
Memoranda
Transcriber's Notes
Register Reference P278 IN 1/10
Page No 48
Parish_Chapel St Briavels

Year 1826
Month Jun
Day 18
Parents Surname BROOKES
Child Forename(s) Mira
Father's Forename(s) James
Mother's Forename(s) Mary
Mother's Surname
Place of Residence Ellwood
Occupation Labourer
Officiating Minister J A Stewart Curate
Event type Baptism
Memoranda
Notes
Register Reference P245 IN 1/9
Page No 30
Parish_Chapel Parkend

1841 Oakwood Gate; nr Noxon, Mill Hill
James Brooks abt 1771 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
Mary Brooks abt 1781 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
Matilda Brooks abt 1821 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
Mira Brooks abt 1827 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire

< might reasonable expect a marriage between the census and baptism>

Year 1841
Month Sep
Day 5
Parents Surname COX
Child Forename(s) Emma
Father's Forename(s) George
Mother's Forename(s) Ann
Mother's Surname
Place of Residence Hudnalls & Forest of Dean
Occupation Labourer
Officiating Minister J.G.Smythies
Event type Baptism
Memoranda
Notes
Register Reference P278 IN 1/6
Page No 16
Parish_Chapel St Briavels

Year 1842
Month Dec
Day 11
Parents Surname COX
Child Forename(s) Thomas
Father's Forename(s) George
Mother's Forename(s) Anne
Mother's Surname
Place of Residence Elm Cottages Tidenham
Occupation Labourer
Officiating Minister J H[enr]y Scudamore Burr Vicar
Event type Baptism
Memoranda
Notes
Register Reference P33/1 IN 1/4
Page No 19
Parish_Chapel Tidenham

1851 Clearwell St
Ann M Cox abt 1819 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife Newland Gloucestershire
Emma Cox abt 1842 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Newland Gloucestershire
Harriet Cox abt 1849 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Newland Gloucestershire
Mary A Cox abt 1850 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Newland Gloucestershire
Thomas Cox abt 1843 Tidenham, Tunisia Son Newland Gloucestershire
Mira Brook abt 1825 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Sister Newland Gloucestershire

1861
Matilda Cox abt 1821 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Head Newland Gloucestershire
Edwin Cox abt 1855 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Son Newland Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Cox abt 1857 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Newland Gloucestershire
Emma Cox abt 1842 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Newland Gloucestershire
Fanny Cox abt 1859 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Newland Gloucestershire
Harriet Cox abt 1849 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Newland Gloucestershire
Maryann Cox abt 1851 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Newland Gloucestershire
Edwin Cox abt 1855 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Son Newland Gloucestershire
Sarah Cox abt 1846 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Newland Gloucestershire
Thomas Cox abt 1843 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Son Newland Gloucestershire

1871 Clearwell
Anne Cox abt 1820 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head Newland Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Cox abt 1856 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Newland Gloucestershire
Fanny Cox abt 1859 St Briavels, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Newland Gloucestershire

George Cox, Clearwell

jcholak — Fri, 11 Jan 2008 19:04:13 +0000

I've had no success finding information on George Cox, named as the father on Baptismal Registers of the following children:

Emma Cox, b. 1842 in West Dean
Thomas, b. 1843 in Tutshill, Tidenham, Monmouthshire
Sarah, b. 1845 in Clearwell
Hannah, b. 1849
Mary Ann, b. 1850
Edwin, b. 1855, d. February 28, 1867
Elizabeth, b. 1857
Fanny, b. 1859

Hannah, Mary Ann, Edwin, Elizabeth and Fanny were all born in Newland Bush.

The mother of these children is Ann Matilda Brooks, b. 1821 in West Dean, d. February 14,1886 in Clearwell, daughter of James and Mary Brooks. I am unable to find a marriage record for George and Ann Matilda, thereby failing to find parents for George Cox, nor a birth or death record for him.

I would appreciate any information on him.

Thank you.

Jean Cholak