1891
Thomas Young abt 1864 Raglan, Monmouthshire, Wales Head Cheltenham, Gloucestershire
Agnes R Young abt 1860 Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, England Wife Cheltenham, Gloucestershire
Gertrude A C Young abt 1890 Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Cheltenham, Gloucestershire
Elsie B Young abt 1891 Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Cheltenham, Gloucestershire

1901
Thomas Young abt 1863 Raglan, Monmouthshire, Wales Head Cheltenham, Gloucestershire
Agnes Young abt 1860 Cheltenham Wife
Gertrude Young abt 1890 Cheltenham Daughter
Elsie Young abt 1891 Cheltenham Daughter
Clara Young abt 1893 Cheltenham Daughter
Arthur Young abt 1897 Cheltenham Son
George Young abt 1900 Cheltenham Son

1911 Mayville, Langdon Road, Cheltenham
Thomas Young 47 Raglan - Plasterer
Agnes Kate Young 51
Arthur Reginald Young 14
George Harold Young 11
Agnes Irene Young 7

Name:Thomas Young
Birth Date:abt 1863
Date of Registration:Oct-Nov-Dec 1946
Age at Death:83
Registration District:Cheltenham
Inferred County:Gloucestershire
Volume:7b
Page:319

In 1863 she had an illegitimate son, Thomas. Family tradition is that he was conceived while she was working at Lord Raglan's house and that she was paid to 'keep quiet'. This doesn't seem likely to me as she had the boy christened in Raglan (father not known).

Tony Hadland’s talk tomorrow evening ( 20th May 2013) at Exeter Hall, Kidlington, OX5 1AB is titled – “The Duke and the Miner’s Daughter – the fascinating truth behind a Forest of Dean family myth”. Family tradition said that Tony Hadland’s great-grandfather, Thomas Young, was the illegitimate son of the Duke of Raglan. Thomas’s mother was the teenage daughter of a miner in the Forest of Dean. Using techniques anybody can employ, Tony discovered that the truth was even more interesting than the legend.

http://news.ofhs.org.uk/2013/05/19/the-duke-and-the-miners-daughter/
The picture is of Tony’s great-great-grandmother, Elizabeth Young, the subject of the talk.

All are welcome – the venue is open from 7:15pm.

I have a link to the Young family through the Jenkins family of Clearwell

Wood Jenkins who also lived at Palmers flat was a Stonecutter/Quarryowner.

Woods' mother Susannah Jenkins (also nee Jenkins) was the daughter of Walter Jenkins a Farmer at Trealy farm Cwmcarvan. Susannah's sister married a Young from Mitchel Troy.

I have traced the Young family back to William b 1734 Mitchel Troy.

If you are able to confirm the link I will be happy to send you the information I have.

Kind Regards

Tony Jenkins

1901
Edwin Capper abt 1845 Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, England Head Cheltenham, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Capper abt 1843 Parkend, Gloucestershire, England Wife Cheltenham, Gloucestershire
Charles George Capper abt 1876 Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, England Son Cheltenham, Gloucestershire
Clara Annie Capper abt 1880 Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Cheltenham, Gloucestershire
Edwin John Capper abt 1887 Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, England Son Cheltenham, Gloucestershire

1911
CAPPER EDWIN M 1845 66 Cheltenham Gloucestershire
CAPPER ELIZABETH F 1844 67 Cheltenham Gloucestershire
CAPPER CLARA ANNIE F 1880 31 Cheltenham Gloucestershire

Name:Elizabeth Capper
Birth Date:abt 1844
Date of Registration:Jul-Aug-Sep 1923
Age at Death:79
Registration District:Cheltenham
Inferred County:Gloucestershire
Volume:6a
Page:371

not exactly a common moniker and the only appearance of that christian name in our family!

Milson and a few corruptions was not uncommon in the Forest

http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?mode=thread&id=8523#p8536

and a namesake would went East !

http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=15850

It seems that there was, maybe, something of a connection between our families as my grandfather, Edward James ROSSER (1877), had a brother who was born here in NZ after the family came out to NZ and he was named Milson ROSSER(03/09/1879), not exactly a common moniker and the only appearance of that christian name in our family!

Richard Henry FitzRoy Somerset, 2nd Baron Raglan (24 May 1817 - 3 May 1884)

Where was he ?

On 25 September 1856, Lord Raglan had married Lady Georgina Lygon, the third daughter of the 4th Earl Beauchamp and they later had five children. After the death of his wife in 1865, he married Mary Blanche Farquhar, the eldest daughter of Sir Walter Farquhar, 3rd Baronet on 11 October 1871 and they had one daughter.

1861 Madresfield Court
Lord Raglan abt 1818 Paris, France Son-in-law Madresfield, Worcestershire
Lady Raglan abt 1833 Grosvenor Place, London, England Daughter Madresfield, Worcestershire
Arthur Charles E Somersett abt 1860 London, England Grandson Madresfield, Worcestershire
Fitzroy G H Somersett abt 1858 Grosvenor Place, London, England Grandson Madresfield, Worcestershire

1871 Cefntilla House
Lord Rodan abt 1818 France Head Llandenny, Monmouthshire
Richard Somerset abt 1866 London, England Son Llandenny, Monmouthshire
Granville Somerset abt 1863 London, England Son Llandenny, Monmouthshire
Katherine Somerset abt 1825 London, England Niece Llandenny, Monmouthshire

Cefntilla Court, two miles northeast of Usk, is the family home of Lord Raglan since 1861.
A museum at Cefntilla Court displays a few relics of the Crimean War.
The First Baron Raglan commanded British troops in the Crimea and was responsible
for the Charge of the Light Brigade. He didn't actually join the charge - he observed it through
a telescope from a nearby hill. Those into knitting sweaters would know of 'Raglan sleeves',
and another knitted garment to come out of the war was the balaclava.

Children ?

Name: Fitzroy George Henry Somerset
Year of Registration: 1857
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: St George Hanover Square
County: London, Middlesex
Volume: 1a
Page: 231

Name: Arthur Charles Edward Somerset
Year of Registration: 1860
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Westminster St Margaret
County: Middlesex
Volume: 1a
Page: 311

Name: Granville William Richard Somerset
Year of Registration: 1862
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Westminster St Margaret
County: Middlesex
Volume: 1a
Page: 317

Name: Richard Fitzroy Somerset
Year of Registration: 1865
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Marylebone (1837-1901)
County: London, Middlesex
Volume: 1a
Page: 467

Month: May
Day: 28

Groom Surname: YOUNG
Groom Forenames: John
Groom Age at Marriage:
Groom condition: [not stated]
Groom Rank or Profession:
Groom Residence: Hundred of St Briavels
Groom Father's Surname:
Groom Father's Forenames:
Groom Father's Rank or Profession:

Bride Surname: HAYNES
Bride Forenames: Jane
Bride Age at Marriage:
Bride Condition: [not stated]
Bride Rank or Profession:
Bride Residence: Hundred of St Briavels
Bride Father's Surname:
Bride Father's Forenames:
Bride Father's Rank or Profession:

Licence or Banns: Banns
Date of banns:
Signature or Mark: Both sign
Witness 1: Mary Jones
Witness 2: A Cooper
Other witnesses:
Officiating Minister: George L Parsons Officiating Minister
Event type: Marriage
Memoranda:
Transcriber's Notes:
Register Reference: P110 IN 1/9
Page No: 42
Parish_Chapel: Littledean

Name: Ashfield Young
Year of Registration: 1841
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Monmouth (1837-1939)
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 26
Page: 68

Year: 1843
Month: Oct
Day: 1
Parents_Surname: YOUNG
Child_Forenames: Ashfield
Fathers_Forenames: John
Mothers_Forenames: Jane
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: of Milk Wall
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister:
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: age 1 yr 9 mths female
Notes:
Register_Reference: RG4/772
Page_Number:
Parish_Chapel: Coleford Wesleyan Methodist

1841 Edenwall
John Young abt 1816 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Jane Young abt 1811 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Anne Young abt 1833 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
George Young abt 1839 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
John Young abt 1837 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Ashfield Young abt 1841 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire

probably :-
Name: Elizabeth Young
Year of Registration: 1843
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Monmouth (1837-1939)
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 26
Page: 52

Year 1843
Month Oct
Day 1
Parents Surname YOUNG
Child Forenames Elizabeth
Fathers Forenames John
Mothers Forenames Jane
Mothers Surname
Residence of Milk Wall
Occupation
Officiating Minister
Event Baptism
Memoranda age 6 wks
Notes
Register Reference RG4/772
Page Number
Parish Chapel Coleford Wesleyan Methodist

1851
John Young abt 1813 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
Jane Young abt 1806 St Briavels, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean, Gloucestershire
Ashferld Young abt 1841 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Young abt 1844 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
George Young abt 1839 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire

1861
Robert Musket abt 1813 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Head Newland, Gloucestershire
Mary Musket abt 1819 St Brivals, Gloucestershire, England Wife Newland, Gloucestershire
Edward Musket abt 1843 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Son Newland, Gloucestershire
Brooklyn Musket abt 1847 Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, England Son Newland, Gloucestershire
Lixouna Musket abt 1850 Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Newland, Gloucestershire
Martha Rosser abt 1800 Parish Pottiers, Wiltshire, England Cook Newland, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Young abt 1844 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Servant Newland, Gloucestershire

Year: 1865
Month: Dec
Day: 4
Grooms_Surname: CAPPER
Grooms_Forenames: Edwin
Grooms_Age: 22
Groom_Condition: Batchelor
Grooms_Occupation: Plasterer
Grooms_Residence: Parkend
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Capper
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: James
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Labourer
Brides_Surname: YOUNG
Brides_Forenames: Elizabeth
Brides_Age: 22
Brides_Condition: spinster
Brides_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Residence: Palmers Plat
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Young
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: John
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Quarryman
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both sign
Witness_1: Henry Gunter
Witness_2: Charles Fennell
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: Jo[hn] Jo[seph] Elsworth incumbent
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P245 IN 1/21
Page_Number: 49
Parish_Chapel: Parkend

1871 Leckhampton
Edwin Capper 27
Elizabeth Capper 27
Thomas Capper 7
Eliza Capper 4

1881
Edwin Capper abt 1845 Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, England Head Leckhampton, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Capper abt 1844 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Wife Leckhampton, Gloucestershire
Thomas Capper abt 1864 Raglan, Monmouth, Wales Son Leckhampton, Gloucestershire
Eliza Jane Capper abt 1867 Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Leckhampton, Gloucestershire
Charles George Capper abt 1876 Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, England Son Leckhampton, Gloucestershire
Clara Annie Capper abt 1880 Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Leckhampton, Gloucestershire

I am investigating a young lady who shows up on the 1861 Census as a servant in his house - Elizabeth Young. (Martha Rosser was also employed there as the cook.)

Our family tradition is that she became pregnant while employed at Lord Raglan's house and was 'paid off' the keep quiet. This seems unlikely to me as she had the baby (Thomas Young) baptized in Raglan (father unknown). Far more likely she went to Raglan where she was not known to have the baby.

Now Thomas young was born 12 September 1863, so it would be of interest to me to know where she was in December 1862...

She was in the Mushet house in April 1861 - does anyone have any idea how I can find out where she was in December 1862?

I notice the first John was baptised on 31 August 1835 and his parents were married on 28 May 1835 - just 3 months before.

Elizabeth had an older brother George (born 1839) and a sister, Ashfield, (born around 1844).

The 1851 census (West Dean) shows John Haynes and Elizabeth (Haynes?) also living with the Young Family, presumably Jane's parents.

Elizabeth was working as a servant in 1861 (CENSUS info) at the Mushett household in Coleford.

In 1863 she had an illegitimate son, Thomas. Family tradition is that he was conceived while she was working at Lord Raglan's house and that she was paid to 'keep quiet'. This doesn't seem likely to me as she had the boy christened in Raglan (father not known).

Elizabeth them married Edwin Capper in 1865. Her son Thomas then became a Capper, but later when he married he changed his surname back to Young.

I am interested in:

1. Tracing the Young family back from John Young

2. Finding out the truth behind the illegitimate Thomas. So it would help to find out where Elizabeth Young was in late 1862 / early 1863. (Thomas was born 12th December 1863).

This one was already on the way when John & Jane married 28/05/1835 at Little Dean:

record_id 9333
Entry No 1178
Year 1835
Month August
Day 31
Parents Surname YOUNG
Child Forename John
Father's Forename John
Mother's Forename Jane
Place of Residence Palmers Flat, Forest of Dean
Occupation Quarryman
Officiating Minister George Roberts BA Perpet: Curate
Event Baptism
Register Reference P93 in 1/5
Page 9
Parish/Chapel Coleford

Record_id 9885
Entry No 1730
Year 1847
Month Feb
Day 2
Parents Surname YOUNG
Child Forename John
Father's Forename John
Mother's Forename Jane
Place of Residence Palmers Flat
Occupation Stonecutter
Officiating Minister JL Sisson DD Perpetual Curate
Event Baptism
Register Reference P93 in 1/5
Page 80
Parish/Chapel Coleford