Forest of Dean FHT Forum - Winner

Winner (reply)

ChrisW — Fri, 19 Dec 2008 09:54:21 +0000

But it feels further on his Zimmer!

Winner (reply)

rachellund — Fri, 19 Dec 2008 09:14:50 +0000

Thankyou slowhands! Danny, me thinks...the Joseph you have as a son of John and Maria, bpt 1839 may actually be son of John Meredith (c1799-1801, from census 1841/51) and Elizabeth (possibly Okey) (c1802-1806)as that is only record I can find of Joseph Meredith on parish records. This John was also a collier and had some children with same names as John and Maria, (Isabella, Philip and Anne that I have found so far. Please correct me if I am wrong.

Winner (reply)

slowhands — Fri, 19 Dec 2008 09:05:42 +0000

is it a long walk from Drybrook to Winner?

a mile to a mile and a half is my estimate

John and Maria Meredith 1841 census (reply)

rachellund — Fri, 19 Dec 2008 09:01:17 +0000

Thanks Danny, I envy you having walked there, I am not in UK. I did not have Joseph, will go and check for that one again. I don't know if you read Slowhands note, that Martha 1841 was actually christened on the same day the 1841 census was taken, interesting. Do you know, is it a long walk from Drybrook to Winner? I am presuming the family would have walked there and back for christening and wondered if it was far they may have taken opportunity to visit relatives perhaps and been late back, or even slept the night out, after all it was June! missing enumerator. How do you know Enoch was killed at winner?
Rachel

John and Maria Meredith 1841 census (reply)

Danny — Fri, 19 Dec 2008 06:08:34 +0000

Sorry mean't Enoch b.29 Mar 1824
.....Danny

John and Maria Meredith 1841 census (reply)

Danny — Fri, 19 Dec 2008 00:50:53 +0000

I researched this a few years ago and concluded that john and maria were missed in 1841 because at that time Winner cabin would have been in the middle of the wood - a long walk for any enumerator. I have walked the area to where Winner cabin would have been but there are virtually no remains of the colliery or railway.
I have the children as Theophila (Afflea)16 Jul 1826, Enoch 23 Dec 1796 (died at Winner in 1875), Elizabeth 3 June 1838, Susanna and Phillip 3 Mar 1833, Jacob and Peter 8 May 1836, joseph 1839, Martha 6 June 1841, Emma 1844, Isabella 1846, Ann 1850.
.......Danny

1841 Nofold/Bilson, Cinderford (reply)

rachellund — Wed, 17 Dec 2008 23:49:50 +0000

Thanks for your help anyway, shame but I think you must be right, if you can't find it then I feel better at least!

1841 Nofold/Bilson, Cinderford (reply)

slowhands — Wed, 17 Dec 2008 22:21:11 +0000

I have continued looking at the Census images and I'm coming to the conclusion
that the enumerator missed a few remote dwellings or the sheets have been lost.

Another example :-

a near neighbour of your Meredith clan are the Turners of Nofold.

Year: 1834
Month: Dec
Day: 25
Parents_Surname: TURNER
Child_Forenames: Mary Ann
Fathers_Forenames: Robert
Mothers_Forenames: Sarah
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Nofold
Occupation: Collier
Officiating_Minister: H. Berkin
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/1
Page_Number: 144
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook

Robert and Sarah appear in 1841 as.....

HO 107 / 364 / 8 folio 5 given as Old Engine / Bilson

{Ancestry has this as ross/district 11 - upper bilson }

Robert Terner 35
Sarah Terner 30
Willam Terner 10
Mary Terner 5
Roshanah Terner 2
Thomas Terner 8 Mo

Maria MEREDITH 1841, Bilson, Cinderford (reply)

rachellund — Wed, 17 Dec 2008 08:19:47 +0000

Wow, that was good detecting, so they definately were in the area at the time of the census, I get it now! Thanks, will see what comes up. Perhaps they were in the church...or pub!

John and Maria Meredith 1841 census (reply)

rachellund — Wed, 17 Dec 2008 08:15:05 +0000

Bob, there are 2 John Meredith's, Colliers. One married Elizabeth and one married Maria, both living in Forest of Dean. Both sets of parents had Children named Philip and Isabella, could lead to confusion when looking at marriages of Philip and Isabella.

Theophila Meredith (reply)

rachellund — Wed, 17 Dec 2008 03:55:11 +0000

Theophila was also known as (courtesy of Robert Ryder) Haglea and Aphilia. Wonder what she called herself?!

Maria MEREDITH 1841 (reply)

rachellund — Wed, 17 Dec 2008 03:49:05 +0000

Yes, that was her birth record, haven't found any record of her being called Theophila after that. She appears as Hafflea, Afflea, Haffled and other variations in records.

John and Maria Meredith 1841 census (reply)

rachellund — Wed, 17 Dec 2008 03:45:17 +0000

Sorry, just re reading my post and it isn't very clear. I am only looking for these family members in 1841 census, have them and others in other years, thanks, Rachel.

Maria MEREDITH 1841 (reply)

reporter — Wed, 17 Dec 2008 03:42:24 +0000

Plus:

Record ID 13554
Entry Number 1008
Year 1833
Month Mar
Day 3
Parents Surname MEREDITH
Child Forenames Susanna
Fathers Forenames John
Mothers Forenames Maria
Mothers Surname
Residence Winner Cabin
Occupation Collier
Officiating Minister H. Berkin
Event Baptism
Memoranda
Notes
Register Reference P109 IN 1/1
Page Number 126
Parish Chapel Drybrook

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Record ID 13068
Entry Number 522
Year 1826
Month Jul
Day 16
Parents Surname MEREDITH
Child Forenames Theophila
Fathers Forenames John
Mothers Forenames Maria
Mothers Surname
Residence Cinderford
Occupation Collier
Officiating Minister J. Herbert
Event Baptism
Memoranda
Notes
Register Reference P109 IN 1/1
Page Number 66
Parish Chapel Drybrook
-------------------------------------------------

Can't find any more on Theophila - but lots os spelling options to try

Bob

John and Maria Meredith 1841 census (reply)

rachellund — Wed, 17 Dec 2008 02:19:35 +0000

Thanks Bob, we have obviously been working on the same stuff over the last few days! No need for me to send you list of marriages now. If you come up with any evidence more concrete for parents of John Meredith (c1803) let us know too.

Maria MEREDITH 1841, Bilson, Cinderford (reply)

slowhands — Wed, 17 Dec 2008 02:15:30 +0000

The birth of Maria suggests Winner Colliery, i.e. Bilson / Crump Meadow, Cinderford area in 1841 census {ross/district 11 - upper bilson ?}
< Winner Garage Cinderford - get it ?>

The 1841 Census for England was taken on the night of 6 June 1841, the same day as :-

Year: 1841
Month: Jun
Day: 6
Parents_Surname: MEREDITH
Child_Forenames: Martha
Fathers_Forenames: John
Mothers_Forenames: Maria
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Winner
Occupation: Collier
Officiating_Minister: R.T. Budd
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/2
Page_Number: 19
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook

1841 Gloucester County Goal

Maria Meredith abt 1805 Gloucestershire, England St Mary de Lode, Gloucestershire

Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 356; Book: 10; Civil Parish: St Mary de Lode;
County: Gloucestershire; Enumeration District:
Gloucester County Gaol; Folio: 14; Page: 9; Line: 18; GSU roll: 288770.

1851 Winner ( Bilson)
John Merideth abt 1803 Littledean, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
Maria Merideth abt 1803 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire
Ann Merideth abt 1850 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Merideth abt 1839 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Emma Merideth abt 1844 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Isabella Merideth abt 1846 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Jacob Merideth abt 1834 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Martha Merideth abt 1841 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Peter Merideth abt 1836 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Philip Merideth abt 1829 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire

you might expect Jacob to be the easiest to find !

Year: 1836
Month: May
Day: 8
Parents_Surname: MEREDITH
Child_Forenames: Jacob
Fathers_Forenames: John
Mothers_Forenames: Maria
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Winner
Occupation: Collier
Officiating_Minister: H. Berkin
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/1
Page_Number: 159
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook

John and Maria Meredith 1841 census (reply)

reporter — Wed, 17 Dec 2008 02:05:50 +0000

Hi Rachel

Will communicate Meredith stuff through the Forum now you've joined, as it may be of interest to other Forest researchers.

Am "working" on the family at the moment......

Reasonably sure of:

Peter marries Eliza Prout in 1865, has at least 4 children, and dies 1880. Peter goes on to marry Henrietta Eliza Haggett in Bristol 1881.

Isabella marries David Williams in 1865, has child Amy A.....then can't find. Images on Census difficult to read in places!

Under investigation:

Susanna m John Davis
Martha m William Jordan
Phillip m Jane Puddy
Elizabeth m Thomas Jordan
Emma m Frederick Chamberlaine

Extra info in the Parish Transcripts and censuses

Regards
Bob Jenkins

John and Maria Meredith 1841 census (reply)

rachellund — Wed, 17 Dec 2008 01:36:21 +0000

Thankyou! Don't think 1850 is mine, saw it on gloucester council archives and husband is a tailor, will go and investigate.

John and Maria Meredith 1841 census (reply)

Simone — Wed, 17 Dec 2008 01:18:55 +0000

Not sure if yours but there is mention of Maria Meredith in the Bristol Mercury
14/7/1838, Gloucester County Sessions-
Maria Meredith for stealing two buckets, &c at Harefield. Twelve months hard labour, 3 weeks solitary.

There is another entry for 1850, William Meredith and Maria Meredith for 6 robberies at Colebourne and other places. Got seven years.

Have a play at

http://infotrac.galegroup.com/itweb/britlibtr

password - british

Simone x

John and Maria Meredith 1841 census

rachellund — Wed, 17 Dec 2008 00:43:00 +0000

I really need help finding family of John Meredith, collier (c1803)and wife Maria Meredith (c1803)possibly with their children, Philip (c1829) Susanna (c1832) Enoch (c1824) Theophila (c1825) Peter (c1835) Jacob (c1832) Elizabeth (c1838)and maybe Martha (c1841). I have found record of a Maria Meredith (c1805)in Gloucester County Gaol 1841 and baptisms/births at drybrook seem to stop for a while between 1841 and 1844 so could help towards explanation. Family were resident at Winner Colliery in 1851. Appreciate any leads you could give.
Rachel