Forest of Dean FHT Forum - Henry Howells on 1911 Census

Henry Howells on 1911 Census (reply)

unknown — Sat, 21 May 2011 17:17:30 +0000

Henry and his brother Ernest were from the Forest of Dean, and were sons of the crown woodsman there. Henry married Norah Jefferies, I have pictures of them and their children, they lived and died in Montague Street, Abertillery. Their two children Fred and Grace never married. Grace worked at the bakery on the foundry bridge in Abertillery, Fred was a coal miner. Ernest died young at 21. Henry and Nora's other children were Doreen and Violet.

Henry Howells on 1911 Census (reply)

Veronica — Tue, 17 Nov 2009 18:52:28 +0000

Thank you,what a mess!!! why didn't we ask questions when we were children,if only.

Regards
Elton

Henry Howells on 1911 Census (reply)

m p griffiths — Tue, 17 Nov 2009 17:21:36 +0000

I've just had a look on Ancestry and there is a tree (which I'll look again at....) which states

James Edwin THOMAS married Louisa HOWELLS (of Redbrook - father THOMAS - Tinplate Work Manager) one witness was John HOWELL 27 March 1864 Saint James Bream

This is on FOD records, James THOMAS age 34 Widower - Louisa was a Servant at Bream Parsonage.....

'Oh what a tangled web we weave"....

1841 Census, Glos, Newland, District 17, Page 7, Lower Redbrook

Thomas HOWELL - 40 - not born in County
Ann - 20
Jane - 15
George - 15
Hannah - 10
Mary - 5
John - 3

Henry Howells on 1911 Census (reply)

Veronica — Tue, 17 Nov 2009 17:17:33 +0000

Oliver Henry Thomas married Clara Howells my husbands Grandparents.On their marriage certificate he names his Father as Thomas Birt.
All very odd on 1911 Census Kate Maud Webb is with Clara as a Boarder single aged 29yrs Home Work B Bream also John Carver as Widower aged 62 he was on 1891 census with George and Ester Smith.I don't think I will ever sort this lot out.
Regards
Elton

Henry Howells on 1911 Census (reply)

m p griffiths — Tue, 17 Nov 2009 15:54:45 +0000

Whether Oliver's mother was Louisa THOMAS, wife of James ??? need unravelling.... the names Edwin/Frederick are repeated......

1891 Census, Glos, West Dean, District 12, Page 19
Bream

George SMITH - 61 born Bream
Esther - 52 - born Yorkley
Kate M WEBB - 8 Niece - born Bream
Oliver THOMAS - 17 adopted - born Bream
John CARVER - 41 Lodger

George SMITH married Esther WEBB - 26 April 1869, Parkend.

1881 Census, West Dean, District 16, Page 14
Bream Eaves

George SMITH - 48 Haulier Labourer, born Coleford
Esther - 42 - Yorkley
Harry O THOMAS 7 - scholar, Bream Eaves
Thomas WATKINS - 68 - Lodger, Widower, Stationary Engine Driver born Penalt Monmouth

Edwin Oliver THOMAS - christened 26 December 1871, Bream, Mother - Louisa

1871 Census, West Dean District 15, Page 13, Bream's Eve

James THOMAS - 42 Hammerman Tin Works, born Carmathenshire, Kidwelly
Louisa - 35 , Glos Redbrook
William - 15, Staffordshire Wolverhampton
Alfred C - 4 Glos Bream **
Margariet 7 - Glos Bream

1891 Census, Glos, Newland

James THOMAS - 62
Louisa - 55
Margaret - 21
James Edwin - 11
Harrriet May THOMAS, Grandaughter age 1, born Redbrook

** 1901 Census, Glamorgan, Llantrisant, District 1 Page 23
Newbridge Road

Alfred THOMAS - age 35, Tinplate Worker, born Bream, Gloucester
Polly - 33 - Llantrisant
Frederick - 9 - born ditto
Mary 2 - born ditto
no name baby Son - 7 days born ditto
Pricilla JENKINS, sister-in-law - age 19 Nurse Domestic, born ditto

Henry Howells on 1911 Census

Veronica — Tue, 17 Nov 2009 15:26:06 +0000

Any Ideas on this please.....

1911 Census BLAINAU GWENT ABERTILLERY

Henry Howells aged 4oyrs Labourer Underground B Yorkley
Norah Howells aged 25yrs B Cinderford (Maiden Name could be Jefferies)
Frederick James Lodger Single 23yrs Collier on Coal Hewer B Yorkley
OLIVER HENRY THOMAS aged 37 married Lodger Collier Hewer B Bream
Frederick Thomas Son aged 2yrs B Cwntillery
Elise Thomas Daughter 5 months B Cwntillery

Oliver Henry Thomas is Married to Clara Howells who on 1911 census is in Bream Eaves with her children. (Oliver is Edwin Oliver Thomas B 1873/4 Bream father Thomas Birt but no father on Birth Certificate only mother)
Now why would a collier go to Abertillery to do the same work,who are the two Thomas children,and Clara Thomas was a Howells so is there a connection there.
I can't find these on The Parish Records.
Any help please
Elton