Forest of Dean FHT Forum - Oliver Henry THOMAS or Edwin Oliver THOMAS

Oliver Henry THOMAS or Edwin Oliver THOMAS (reply)

A.haberli — Fri, 19 May 2017 02:36:02 +0000

I'm looking for info on Edward Oliver Thomas and Edward Thomas. They farmed near Chicago Illinois then moved to Kalkaska Michigan. E.O is my great grandfather and Edward is my grandfather.

Oliver Henry THOMAS - relatives (reply)

kristeenL27 — Thu, 14 Jan 2010 17:40:44 +0000

Hi there.....I have just read your messages and note that you have Oliver Henry Thomas in your family tree. I have him in my husband's family tree, which I have been compiling for some time also- he was my husband's great grandfather. My husband is the grandson of Elsie Thomas (Oliver's daughter) and Albert Meek. I note from my tree that Oliver had a daughter Dora who married a Morgan - is that where you fit in?!

I do also have Oliver's father as Thomas Birt and Louisa Howells, and some other information you might like to have from me, although it has been difficult to verify everything!. Would like to hear from you.
Regards,
Christine

Oliver Henry THOMAS - relatives (reply)

Veronica — Thu, 17 Dec 2009 09:52:43 +0000

Hi,

Thank you.

Michael

Oliver Henry THOMAS - relatives (reply)

slowhands — Wed, 16 Dec 2009 21:36:55 +0000

Thomas BIRT 1850 Saunders Green looks a pretty strong contender for his father (?)
and
BIRT TOM M 1900 11 Monmouth Monmouthshire as his brother

Oliver Henry THOMAS - relatives (reply)

Veronica — Wed, 16 Dec 2009 21:24:55 +0000

Hi,

A very big thank you for all that information,I guess I will never really know who his parents or sisters as he called them were.Its just my family tree ends with him,I can't go back any further.

Thank you once again
Michael Morgan

Oliver Henry THOMAS - relatives (reply)

slowhands — Wed, 16 Dec 2009 15:38:48 +0000

On this clipping he has sisters Florrie and Hannah and brother Tom and sister in law Polly, who were they?

I strongly suspect a mixture of SMITH, BIRT and HOWELLS i.e. Tom BIRT, Polly could be a Mary..

Thomas BIRT 1850 Saunders Green / Bream Eaves - Collier (reply)

slowhands — Wed, 16 Dec 2009 14:23:11 +0000

I suspect this is the Thomas BIRT father to Henry Oliver.

Year: 1850
Month: Mar
Day: 3
Parents_Surname: BIRT
Child_Forenames: Thomas
Fathers_Forenames: Thomas
Mothers_Forenames: Harriet
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Bream Eaves
Occupation: Collier
Officiating_Minister: W. Malpas
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P245 IN 1/10
Page_Number: 100
Parish_Chapel: Parkend

1871
Thomas Birt abt 1823 Whitecroft, Gloucestershire, England Head Newland Gloucestershire
Harriet Birt abt 1829 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife Newland Gloucestershire
Agusta M Birt abt 1868 Bream, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Newland Gloucestershire
Eliza J Birt abt 1858 Bream, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Newland Gloucestershire
Henry Birt abt 1863 Bream, Gloucestershire, England Son Newland Gloucestershire
Herbert Birt abt 1860 Bream, Gloucestershire, England Son Newland Gloucestershire
Mary E Birt abt 1870 Bream, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Newland Gloucestershire
Sydney Birt abt 1868 Bream, Gloucestershire, England Son Newland Gloucestershire
Thos Birt abt 1849 Bream, Gloucestershire, England Son Newland Gloucestershire
William C Birt abt 1865 Bream, Gloucestershire, England Son Newland

1881
Thomas Bert abt 1851 Dearfore St,[ DEAN FOREST!] Gloucestershire, England Kentchurch Herefordshire labourer Chemical works

Name Elizabeth Gassman
Name: Thomas Birt
Year of Registration: 1887
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
DISTRICT: Monmouth (1837-1939)
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 82

1891 Bream Eaves
Thomas Birt abt 1850 Bream, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean Gloucestershire Collier
Elizabeth Birt abt 1859 Germany Wife West Dean Gloucestershire
Henry Birt abt 1888 Bream, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Gloucestershire
Maria Birt abt 1890 Bream, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean Gloucestershire

1901
Thomas Birt abt 1849 Saundus Green, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean Monmouthshire
Elizabeth Birt abt 1859 Deu Bristish Subject, Naturaliaen Wife West Dean Monmouthshire
Elizabeth V G Birt abt 1895 Bream, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean Monmouthshire
Gladys Birt abt 1898 Bream, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean Monmouthshire
Harriet D Birt abt 1892 Bream, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean Monmouthshire
Henry R Birt abt 1888 Bream, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Monmouthshire
Maria C Birt abt 1890 Bream, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean Monmouthshire
Thomas Birt abt 1900 Bream, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Monmouthshire

1911
BIRT THOMAS M 1849 62 Monmouth Monmouthshire
BIRT CHARLES M 1903 8 Monmouth Monmouthshire
BIRT DAISY F 1892 19 Monmouth Monmouthshire
BIRT ELIZABETH F 1860 51 Monmouth Monmouthshire
BIRT GLADYS F 1898 13 Monmouth Monmouthshire
BIRT TOM M 1900 11 Monmouth Monmouthshire

Oliver Henry THOMAS 1873 Bream Eaves (reply)

slowhands — Wed, 16 Dec 2009 10:41:53 +0000

Name: Oliver H Thomas
Death Registration Month/Year: 1933
Age at death (estimated): 61 ( estimate birth 1872)
Registration district: Monmouth
Inferred County: Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 21

some children baptised in Bream:-

1912 THOMAS Doris Ada Henry Clara Laurel Cottage Bream Collier Bream
1909 THOMAS Oliver Russell Henry Clara Blaina Gwent Abertillery Collier Bream
1907 THOMAS Alan George Henry Clara Blaina Gwent Abertillery Collier Bream
1905 THOMAS Elsie Kate Henry Clara Blaina Gwent Abertillery Collier Bream
1903 THOMAS Olive Gladys Henry Clara Blaina Gwent Abertillery Collier Bream
1900 THOMAS Maurice Henry Smith Henry Clara Sanders Green Collier Bream

1911
THOMAS CLARA F 1873 38 Monmouth Monmouthshire
THOMAS ALLEN M 1907 4 Monmouth Monmouthshire
THOMAS ELSIE F 1905 6 Monmouth Monmouthshire
THOMAS GLADYS F 1902 9 Monmouth Monmouthshire
THOMAS HILDA F 1898 13 Monmouth Monmouthshire
THOMAS RUSSELL M 1909 2 Monmouth Monmouthshire
THOMAS MAURISE M 1900 11 Monmouth Monmouthshire

1911 ( Oliver in a South Wales household)
THOMAS OLIVER HENRY M 1874 37 Bedwellty Monmouthshire (born Bream)
THOMAS EDWIN M 1878 33 Bedwellty Monmouthshire
THOMAS JANE F 1874 37 Bedwellty Monmouthshire
THOMAS ARCHIBALD M 1905 6 Bedwellty Monmouthshire
THOMAS ELSIE F 1910 5 MONTHS Bedwellty Monmouthshire
THOMAS FREDERICK M 1909 2 Bedwellty Monmouthshire

1901
Harry Smith abt 1875 Forest of Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head Abertillery, Monmouthshire
Clara Smith abt 1875 Forest of Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife Abertillery, Monmouthshire
Hilda Smith abt 1898 Forest of Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Abertillery, Monmouthshire
Maurice Smith abt 1900 Forest of Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son Abertillery, Monmouthshire

Year: 1897
Month: Jul
Day: 3
Grooms_Surname: THOMAS
Grooms_Forenames: Oliver Henry
Grooms_Age: 24
Groom_Condition: bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: collier
Grooms_Residence: Bream
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: BIRT
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: Thomas
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: collier
Brides_Surname: HOWELLS
Brides_Forenames: Clara
Brides_Age: 23
Brides_Condition: spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Yorkley
Brides_Fathers_Surname: HOWELLS
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Thomas
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: woodman
Licence_or_Banns: banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both sign
Witness_1: Richard Jones
Witness_2: Mary Howells
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: John Bond vicar
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P245 IN 1/22
Page_Number: 73
Parish_Chapel: Parkend

1891
George Smith abt 1830 Lane End, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
Esther Smith abt 1839 Yorkley, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean, Gloucestershire
Oliver Thomas abt 1874 Bream, Gloucestershire, England Adopted West Dean, Gloucestershire

1881 Bream Eaves
George Smith abt 1833 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
Esther Smith abt 1839 Yorkshireley, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean, Gloucestershire
Harry O. Thomas abt 1874 Bream Eaves, Gloucestershire, England Boarder West Dean, Gloucestershire

All seems to fit to this point !

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Year: 1873
Month: Dec
Day: 26
Parents_Surname: THOMAS
Child_Forenames: Edwin Oliver
Fathers_Forenames: [not stated]
Mothers_Forenames: Louisa
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Breams Eaves
Occupation: [not stated]
Officiating_Minister: J F Gosling
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: [1] St Stephens[at date] [2] Sponsers Charles Masters Sarah Ann Whiting
Notes:
Register_Reference: P57 IN 1/4
Page_Number: 14
Parish_Chapel: Bream

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1891
James Thomas abt 1829 Camarthenshire, Kidwelly Head Newland, Gloucestershire
Lousia Thomas abt 1836 Redbrook, Monmouthshire, Wales Wife Newland, Gloucestershire
Margaret Thomas abt 1870 Bream, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Newland, Gloucestershire
James Edwin Thomas abt 1880 Bream, Gloucestershire, England Son Newland, Gloucestershire
Harriet May Thomas abt 1890 Redbrook, Monmouthshire, Wales Granddaughter Newland, Gloucestershire

1881
1881
James Thomas abt 1831 Kidwelly Head Penalt Monmouthshire
Louisa Thomas abt 1836 Redbrook, Gloucestershire, England Wife Penalt Monmouthshire
Alfred Charles Thomas abt 1867 Bream, Gloucestershire, England Son Penalt Monmouthshire
Elizabeth Jane Thomas abt 1873 Bream, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Penalt Monmouthshire
James Edwin Thomas abt 1880 Bream, Gloucestershire, England Son Penalt Monmouthshire
Margaret Louisa Thomas abt 1870 Bream, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Penalt Monmouthshire

1871 Bream Eaves
James Thomas 42 Kidwelly Hammerman
Lousia Thomas 35 Redbrook
William Thomas 15 Wolverhamptom
Alfred C Thomas 4 Bream
Margariet L Thomas 1 Bream

Year: 1864
Month: Mar
Day: 27
Grooms_Surname: THOMAS
Grooms_Forenames: James
Grooms_Age: 34
Groom_Condition: Widower
Grooms_Occupation: Hammerman
Grooms_Residence: Bream Woodside
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Thomas
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: William
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Hammerman
Brides_Surname: HOWELLS
Brides_Forenames: Louisa
Brides_Age: 28
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation: Servant
Brides_Residence: Bream Parsonage
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Howells
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Thomas
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Tinplate Work Manager
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both sign
Witness_1: John Howells
Witness_2: Jane Hudson
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: Cornelius Witherby Incumbent
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P57 IN 1/8
Page_Number: 33
Parish_Chapel: Bream

Thomas BIRT 1856 Ruspidge - Collier (reply)

slowhands — Wed, 16 Dec 2009 10:19:58 +0000

1861
James Birt abt 1835 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Birt abt 1825 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire
Nam Birt abt 1853 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Thomas Birt abt 1856 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Richard Birt abt 1860 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire

1871
James Berte 44
Elizabeth Berte 44
Isaac Berte 18
Thomas Berte 15
Richard Berte 11
Elizabeth Berte 8
James Berte 3
Allice A Padbury 1
Mary Hicks 50

1881 Ruspidge Rd
James Birt abt 1827 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Birt abt 1827 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
Thomas Birt abt 1856 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
James Birt abt 1868 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire

Name: Thomas Birt
Name: Matilda Charles
Year of Registration: 1892
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Westbury On Severn
County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 489

1891
James Birt abt 1827 Ruspidge, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
Elizth Birt abt 1827 Ruspidge, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire
Thomas Birt abt 1856 Ruspidge, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire

1901
Thomas Birt abt 1856 Ruspidge, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
Matilda Birt abt 1855 Westbury On Severn Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire

1911
BIRT THOMAS M 1856 55 Westbury on Severn Gloucestershire
BIRT MATILDA F 1855 56 Westbury on Severn Gloucestershire

Oliver Henry THOMAS or Edwin Oliver THOMAS

admin — Tue, 15 Dec 2009 07:47:44 +0000

Only Birth Certificate found was for Edwin Oliver Thomas mother Louisa Thomas, formerly Howells no Father.

He was adopted by George and Esther Smith aged 7yrs as Harry O. Thomas.
He married Clara Howells and on Marriage Certificate his Father is Thomas Birt.
Death 30.11.1933 From Bream Parish Magazine Jan 1934.

On this clipping he has sisters Florrie and Hannah and brother Tom and sister in law Polly, who were they?

He was my Grandfather who I never knew.

Michael Morgan

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