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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess this is the marriage referred to for Edwin HUTTON:-</p>
<p>From FamilySearch General Register:-</p>
<p>Name  Edwin Leonard Hutton<br />
Event Type  Marriage<br />
Registration Quarter  Apr-May-Jun<br />
Registration Year  1891<br />
Registration District  Pontypool<br />
County  Monmouthshire<br />
Event Place  Pontypool, Monmouthshire, England<br />
Volume  11A<br />
Page  229<br />
Line Number  219<br />
Edwin Leonard Hutton probably married one of the following people<br />
Name  Caroline Davies<br />
Name  Mary James<br />
Name  Jabez Matthews</p>
<p>And from FamilySearch parish records:-</p>
<p>Name  Edwin Hutton<br />
Event Type  Marriage<br />
Event Date  08 Apr 1891<br />
Event Place  Mamheilad [Mamhilad], Monmouthshire, Wales<br />
Age  26<br />
Birth Year (Estimated)  1865<br />
Spouse's Name  Mary James</p>
<p>In 1881 it looks like Edwin <em>(Edward sic – he is also referred to as Edward in the 1911 Census}</em> was here in the household of his uncle:-</p>
<p>GR 1881 Census, Doward Farm, Ganarew, Heref,</p>
<p>Wm WILLIAMS, Head, Mar, 53, Farmer of 100 acres, b. Heref. Ganarew<br />
Elizabeth, Wife, Mar, 52, Heref. Llangarren<br />
Edward L. HUTTON, Nephew, Un, 15, Farm servant indoors. Heref. Llangarren<br />
Thomas ALLAWAY, Servant, Un, 15, Farm servant indoors. Heref. Ganarew</p>
<p>Elizabeth must be the sister of Charles HUTTON as identified in Jeff’s 1841 Census post above.</p>
<p>The marriage from FamiySearch:-</p>
<p>Name  Elizabeth Hutton<br />
Event Type  Marriage<br />
Registration Quarter  Jan-Feb-Mar<br />
Registration Year  1853<br />
Registration District  Ross<br />
County  Herefordshire<br />
Event Place  Ross, Herefordshire, England<br />
Volume  6A<br />
Page  671<br />
Line Number  9<br />
Elizabeth Hutton probably married one of the following people<br />
Name  William Williams</p>
<p>If Edwin HUTTON and Mary were married in Mamhilad there should be some indication of their presence in the neighbourhood. This for Mary JAMES:-</p>
<p>GR 1891 Census, Cwm, Monmouth<br />
Mon, Cwm<br />
Eli BISHOP, Head, Mar, Head, 28, Labourer Iron Works, b. Mon, Cwm<br />
Alice, Wife, Mar, 27, Mon, Cwm<br />
Gladys, Daur, 6, Scholar, Mon,  Cwm<br />
Fred, Son, 3, Scholar, Mon, Cwm<br />
Gertrude, Daur, 2, Mon, Cwm<br />
Mary JAMES, Visitor, S, 28, Hereford, Whitchurch<br />
Edwin DREW, Visitor, S, 27, Labourer Iron Works, Mon, Monmouth <em>[on second view it looks more like OVEN]<br />
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Cwm is not that far from Mamhilad.</p>
<p>It might be very revealing if we can find Edwin HUTTON in the 1891 Census. This would be only a few days before his possible marriage.</p>
<p>As for Mary’s baptism:-</p>
<p>FamilySearch</p>
<p>Name  Mary Anne James<br />
Gender  Female<br />
Christening Date  13 Jul 1862<br />
Christening Place  WHITCHURCH,HEREFORD,ENGLAND<br />
Father's Name  James James<br />
Mother's Name  Ann</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry Phil, I've got to get back to fixing my dead C/H boiler, can't think why but the missus is complaining...maybe I should have fixed it in the summer months ?...!.<br />
Have you tried searching LDS from the links we posted ?.  It's an excellent site with stacks of info, just takes time to search them out which sadly I don't have at the mo. <br />
All the best, Jeff.</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you gentlemen, anything on mary james ??? ( married edwin hutton )</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, here they are in 1841 ref Familysearch</p>
<p>Event Type Census<br />
Event Date 1841<br />
Event Place Llangarron, Herefordshire, England<br />
Residence Note Old Pounds</p>
<p>HOUSEHOLD ROLE GENDER AGE BIRTHPLACE</p>
<p>James Hutton  M 40-44 Herefordshire<br />
Elizabeth Hutton  F 36-40 Herefordshire<br />
Elizabeth Hutton  F 12 Herefordshire<br />
Harriet Hutton  F 10 Herefordshire<br />
James Hutton  M 7 Herefordshire<br />
Eliza Hutton  F 5 Herefordshire<br />
Emma Hutton  F 2 Herefordshire</p>
<p>&quot;England and Wales Census, 1841,FamilySearch&quot;</p>
<p>Searching the 1861 Census, albeit individually, suggests the parents are still In Llangarron;</p>
<p>James born 1801, Much Dewchurch, Herefordshire<br />
Elzabeth born 1805, Garway, Herefordshire.</p>
<p>Searching LDS again appears to give James' parents thus;</p>
<p>Name James Hutton<br />
Gender Male<br />
Christening Date 1802<br />
Christening Place MUCH DEWCHURCH, HEREFORD, ENGLAND<br />
Father's Name Nicholas Hutton<br />
Mother's Name Catharine</p>
<p>Which gives;<br />
Name Nicholas Hutton<br />
Spouse's Name Catharine Watkins<br />
Event Date 24 Apr 1799<br />
Event Place Much Dewchurch,Hereford,England<br />
&quot;England Marriages, 1538–1973 ,&quot; database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N268-B4P : accessed 22 November 2015), </p>
<p>Phil, all these records are available f-o-c by searching the excellent LDS aka Familysearch website, just take care to be methodical and always ensure the correct filters etc are ticked, good luck !</p>
<p><a href="https://familysearch.org/search">https://familysearch.org/search</a></p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Mike for your kind words, it's nice to be back amongst all you good folk !</p>
<p>Thanks too for explaining your thinking, very smart; it's been sometime since I've used LDS, over-reliant on Ancestry I guess, so thanks for giving me a much-needed refresher course, need to get my grey matter working a bit harder again !. </p>
<p>Yes, I can't fault your logic, if he says that's his birthplace then your suggested parents seems perfectly likely to me, well done sir.</p>
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<p>Re Charles Hutton the hairdresser, he's listed in the 1856 Post Office Directory of Herefordshire.  This is the oldest Directory for this area in the excellent Trade Directories site, hopefully this general link will work.<br />
<a href="http://specialcollections.le.ac.uk/cdm/map/collection/p16445coll4">http://specialcollections.le.ac.uk/cdm/map/collection/p16445coll4</a></p>
<p>HUttons listed in this Directory include  </p>
<p>&quot;Henry Hutton, fishmonger &amp; poulterer, Corps Cross St, Ross.<br />
John Hutton, Carpenter, Hoarwithy.<br />
Mrs Elizabeth Hutton, Milliner, Hoarwithy. (John's wife?)<br />
C.Hutton, Hairdresser, Gloster Rd, Ross.<br />
T.Hutton, Lodginghouse keeper, Bye St, Hereford.</p>
<p>Hopefully these maybe of some help/interest to Phil.</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jeff,</p>
<p>A belated welcome back, by the way. It was just a simple search with surname HUTTON (and no forename) with Weonards as the birthplace. I don't know if the result was correct but it's possible.</p>
<p>Yes, there are more Charles HUTTONs in the Ross area at the time. One of them is a hairdresser who appears in the BNA in relation to a stabbing by his brother, Thomas. I don't think he is the correct person though.</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mike,<br />
your &quot;closest&quot; is better than I've been doing, so well done I say !<br />
Not sure of your method of search, I don't have Ancestry at the mo, so only Familysearch like you. I maybe wrong but there seems to be more than one Charles HUtton in the Ross &quot;area&quot; at abt our time, judging by the census returns ? (not to mention several Chas HAttons too !).  Please advise how you found our man's parents - I can only see Charles in the 1841 &amp; 1851 census as an employee, so not in his parents household, nor can I see a Baptism for him, so..?.<br />
Not ! that I don't believe your findings, just want to learn your method, please.</p>
<p>Phil, <br />
Re Charles &amp; Maryanne's children, I cannot see Edwin's baptism, but I have found these;</p>
<p>Name George Hutton<br />
Gender Male<br />
Christening Date 11 Nov 1855<br />
Christening Place Welsh Newton, Hereford, England<br />
Father's Name Charles Hutton<br />
Mother's Name Maryanne<br />
CITING THIS RECORD</p>
<p>&quot;England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975,&quot; database, FamilySearch</p>
<p><br />
Name Sarah Ann Hutton<br />
Gender Female<br />
Christening Date 1853<br />
Christening Place WELSH NEWTON, HEREFORD, ENGLAND<br />
Father's Name Charles Hutton<br />
Mother's Name Mary Ann<br />
CITING THIS RECORD</p>
<p>&quot;England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975,&quot; database, FamilySearch</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It also might be possible to make a family out of this from FamilySearch:-</p>
<p>Hutton<br />
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975<br />
christening:<br />
26 December 1823<br />
SAINT WEONARDS, HEREFORD, ENGLAND<br />
father:<br />
James Hutton<br />
mother:<br />
Elizabeth</p>
<p>Mary Anne Hutton<br />
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975<br />
christening:<br />
30 April 1826<br />
LLANGARREN, HEREFORD, ENGLAND<br />
residence:<br />
Llangarren, Hereford, England<br />
father:<br />
James Hutton<br />
mother:<br />
Elizabeth</p>
<p>Harriot Hutton<br />
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975<br />
christening:<br />
6 February 1831<br />
LLANGARREN, HEREFORD, ENGLAND<br />
father:<br />
James Hutton<br />
mother:<br />
Elizabeth</p>
<p>James Hutton<br />
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975<br />
christening:<br />
26 January 1834<br />
LLANGARREN, HEREFORD, ENGLAND<br />
residence:<br />
Llangarren, Hereford, England<br />
father:<br />
James Hutton<br />
mother:<br />
Elizabeth</p>
<p>Eliza Hutton<br />
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975<br />
christening:<br />
17 April 1836<br />
LLANGARREN, HEREFORD, ENGLAND<br />
residence:<br />
Llangarren, Hereford, England<br />
father:<br />
James Hutton<br />
mother:<br />
Elizabeth<br />
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Emma Hutton<br />
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975<br />
christening:<br />
17 February 1839<br />
LLANGARREN, HEREFORD, ENGLAND<br />
father:<br />
James Hutton<br />
mother:<br />
Elizabeth<br />
    <br />
Emma Hutton<br />
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975<br />
christening:<br />
7 April 1839<br />
LLANGARREN, HEREFORD, ENGLAND<br />
father:<br />
James Hutton<br />
mother:<br />
Elizabeth</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The closest I can get is this from FamilySearch:-</p>
<p>Name:          Hutton<br />
Gender:  Male<br />
Baptism Date:  26 Dec 1823<br />
Baptism Place:  Saint Weonards,Hereford,England<br />
Father:  James Hutton<br />
Mother:  Elizabeth</p>
<p>And this marriage from the same source:-</p>
<p>Name  James Hutton<br />
Spouse's Name  Elizabeth Lewis<br />
Event Date  17 Jul 1823<br />
Event Place  Saint Weonards,Hereford,England</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many thanks mike, any luck tracing charles hutton b abt 1826 ( censuses say st weonards / llangarron/ and just herefordshire, he had a son edwin b1865, llangarron, edwin then married mary james in pontypool 1891, i am trying to search her family too, edwin and mary had a son samuel b1898 in whitchurch,f8 herefordshire, he was a prisoner of war in 1917 after the battle of messines, belguim.</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BNA Hereford Journal - Wednesday 28 January 1829</p>
<p>HEREFORD<br />
WEDNESDAY JANUARY 28</p>
<p>On Tuesday was married, at St. Weonards, Mr. William Seborne to Miss Mary Preddy, both of that parish.</p>
<p>FamilySearch:-</p>
<p>Name  William Seborn<br />
Spouse's Name  Anne Priddy<br />
Event Date  20 Jan 1829<br />
Event Place  Saint Weonards,Hereford,England</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many thanks, now for the huttons,</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FamilySearch:-</p>
<p>Name                  Mary Seaborne<br />
Gender                  Female<br />
Christening Date  14 Jun 1829<br />
Christening Place  SAINT WEONARDS,HEREFORD,ENGLAND<br />
Father's Name          William Seaborne<br />
Mother's Name          Anne</p>
<p>Also FamilySearch, 1841 Census:-</p>
<p>Name  Mary Ann Seborne<br />
Event Type  Census<br />
Event Date  1841<br />
Event Place  St Weonard, Herefordshire, England<br />
Residence Note  Partridge Nest<br />
Gender  Female<br />
Age  12<br />
Age (Original)  12<br />
Birth Year (Estimated)  1829<br />
Birthplace  Herefordshire<br />
Registration District  Ross<br />
Book Number  15<br />
Parish  St Weonard<br />
County  Herefordshire</p>
<p>1841 Census Household<br />
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Role                  Gender     Age           Birthplace<br />
William Seborne  M  35-39        Herefordshire<br />
Ann Seborne   F  35-39        Herefordshire<br />
Mary Ann Seborne  F  12        Herefordshire<br />
Thomas Seborne          M  9        Herefordshire<br />
William Seborne  M  4        Herefordshire<br />
Eliza Seborne   F  7 month       Herefordshire<br />
John Gwatkin   M  11        Herefordshire<br />
William Gwatkin  M  8        Herefordshire</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, can anyone help in researching a relation of mine, charles hutton b abt 1825, llangarron or st weonsrds, married a mary anne seaborn b abt 1830 st weonards in 1852 st weonards, i'm looking for the parents of both and any othet info please,</p>
<p>Regards phil</p>
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