Forest of Dean FHT Forum - Rachel COOPER 1855 Joyford

Rachel COOPER 1855 Joyford (reply)

shepway — Thu, 08 Jun 2006 03:21:59 +0000

I have checked Christchurch Burial Registers from 1851 to 1855 and Richard is not listed.

Mike

Rachel COOPER 1855 Joyford (reply)

scooper — Thu, 08 Jun 2006 01:34:41 +0000

can't seem to find and record of Richard Cooper's death last child born 1854 and Ann remarried in 1855 any suggestions?

Rachel COOPER 1855 Joyford (reply)

shepway — Wed, 07 Jun 2006 07:59:18 +0000

I know it well.

Mike

Rachel COOPER 1855 Joyford (reply)

slowhands — Wed, 07 Jun 2006 06:42:57 +0000

.. not too far away then MG !

Sallow Vallets enclosure is adjacent to the Hawthorns end of the enumeration district :-)

Rachel COOPER 1855 Joyford (reply)

shepway — Wed, 07 Jun 2006 01:18:59 +0000

Regret to say that it is not Mireystock. The family were living at The Mire in 1851. Here is description of Enumeration District:
All that part of the Township of West Dean comprising Joyford, Joyford Hill, The Lonk, Tomblins Ditch, The Mire, Speedwell Pit Hawthornes and Hawthornes Tump

Details of marriage between Richard COOPER and Ann WILLIAMS are available from transcription of Christchurch Parish Church registers on this website as follows:
Entry Number: 14
Year: 1846
Month: Jan
Day: 17
Groom Surname: COOPER
Groom Forenames: Richard
Groom Age at Marriage: full
Groom Condition: Bachelor
Groom Rank or Profession: Collier
Groom Residence: Christchurch
Groom Father's Surname: Cooper
Groom Father's Forenames: Richard
Groom Father's Rank or Profession: Collier
Bride Surname: WILLIAMS
Brides Forenames: Ann
Bride Age at Marriage: full
Bride Condition: Spinster
Bride Rank or Profession: Servant
Bride Residence: Township of West Dean
Bride Father's surname: Williams
Bride Father's Forenames: Joseph
Bride Father's Rank or Profession: Shoemaker
Licence or Banns: [not stated]
Dates of Banns:
Siganture or Mark: He marks, she signs
Witness 1: Mark of Thomas Ruck
Witness 2: Mark of Eliza Grindall
Other witnesses: Mark of George Tomlins; Fanny Williams
Officiating Minister: Richard Davies, Rector of Staunton, Off. Min.
Event Type: M
Memoranda: -
Transcriber's Notes: -
Register Reference: PFC82 IN 1/7
Page Number: 7
Parish/Chapel Name: Christchurch, Forest of Dean

Mike

Rachel COOPER 1855 Joyford (reply)

slowhands — Wed, 07 Jun 2006 00:04:06 +0000

Mirey

I suspect we now know this place as Mireystock,, top of Lydbrook / Sallow Valets / Serridge.

Rachel COOPER 1855 Joyford (reply)

scooper — Tue, 06 Jun 2006 23:55:27 +0000

yes certainly looks like it, i think i have found the record of their marriage in the parish records and Fanny williams who was a visitor in the 1851 census was also a witness at the wedding...

is mirey a parish?

btw thanks for your help slowhands

Rachel COOPER 1855 Joyford (reply)

slowhands — Tue, 06 Jun 2006 23:26:29 +0000

.. so that looks like Richard COOPER 1827 ( shortstanding / Mirey) as the father......

and a possible for Ann's parents

1841 Worcester Walk
Joseph William abt 1791 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
Ann William abt 1791 Dean Forest Gloucestershire
Fanny William abt 1828 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire

Rachel COOPER 1855 Joyford (reply)

scooper — Tue, 06 Jun 2006 23:10:55 +0000

edwins certificate has finally arrived

his father was Richard Cooper a Collier

his mother was Ann formerly Williams

Residence of Informant English Bicknor

i also received a copy of Ann Cooper's marriage certificate for when i believe she remarried to Richard Aston in 1855 which if this is the same Ann was a widow
her father was Joseph Williams and he was a Shoemaker

Rachel COOPER 1855 Joyford (reply)

slowhands — Fri, 19 May 2006 12:04:00 +0000

1841 Joyford
Thomas Cooper abt 1811 Gloucestershire, England Bicknor English Gloucestershire
Mary Cooper abt 1816 Gloucestershire, England Bicknor English Gloucestershire
Anne Cooper abt 1839 Gloucestershire, England Bicknor English Gloucestershire
William Cooper abt 1832 Gloucestershire, England Bicknor English Gloucestershire

1851 Joyford
Thomas Cooper abt 1811 English Bicknor, Gloucestershire, England Head English Bicknor Gloucestershire
Mary Cooper abt 1814 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife English Bicknor Gloucestershire
Anne Cooper abt 1839 English Bicknor, Gloucestershire, England Daughter English Bicknor Gloucestershire
Benjamin Cooper abt 1850 English Bicknor, Gloucestershire, England Son English Bicknor Gloucestershire
Mary Cooper abt 1842 English Bicknor, Gloucestershire, England Daughter English Bicknor Gloucestershire
Miles Cooper abt 1848 English Bicknor, Gloucestershire, England Son English Bicknor Gloucestershire
Thomas Cooper abt 1845 English Bicknor, Gloucestershire, England Son English Bicknor Gloucestershire

Name: Rachel Cooper
Year of Registration: 1855
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Monmouth (1837-1939)
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 19

1861 Joyford
Thomas Cooper abt 1810 English Bicknor, Gloucestershire, England Head English Bicknor Gloucestershire
Mary Cooper abt 1814 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife English Bicknor Gloucestershire
Benjamin Cooper abt 1851 English Bicknor, Gloucestershire, England Son English Bicknor Gloucestershire
Mary Cooper abt 1842 English Bicknor, Gloucestershire, England Daughter English Bicknor Gloucestershire
Miles Cooper abt 1848 English Bicknor, Gloucestershire, England Son English Bicknor Gloucestershire
Rachel Cooper abt 1855 English Bicknor, Gloucestershire, England Daughter English Bicknor Gloucestershire

1871
Rachel Cooper abt 1855 English Bicknor, Gloucestershire, England Servant Abinghall Gloucestershire

BMDs ? (reply)

slowhands — Fri, 19 May 2006 11:53:10 +0000

From the real BMD ( hidden away in Ancestry)

Name: Edwin Cooper
Year of Registration: 1847
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Monmouth (1837-1939)
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 26
Page: 94

Name: Richard Cooper
Year of Registration: 1854
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Monmouth (1837-1939)
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 22

a possible relative

Name: Rachel Cooper
Year of Registration: 1855
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Monmouth (1837-1939)
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 19

possible confusion? (reply)

scooper — Fri, 19 May 2006 09:07:44 +0000

LoL

on freebmd and on ancestry.co.uk

never mind at least it adds to the fun

will wait for birth certificate and ann coopers marriage certificate to arrive

thanks for your input, i'm off to hit the bottle!
stu

possible confusion? (reply)

slowhands — Fri, 19 May 2006 08:11:35 +0000

only one that shows up

Shows up where - Free BMD, Full BMD or the non -conformist records ??

I think you might be benefit from Edwin's details :-)

possible confusion? (reply)

scooper — Fri, 19 May 2006 07:43:22 +0000

confusion reigns!

according to the records Richard was born about 1854 the only one that shows up is a richard william cooper born 1853

i think i might send off for edwins birth certificate to see what details that provides

possible confusion? (reply)

slowhands — Fri, 19 May 2006 07:13:35 +0000

I have a feeling that there are two familes being mixed up here.

a Lydbrook/Coleford family and a Cinderford/Littldean family

The Richard Cooper ,(1853 Broadmoor) does not appear with the likely family in 1861 - the family that is living in Broadmoor in 1851. the mother appears to be Ann Nelmes ex Walford/Ruardean. So does this Richard die before 1861 ?

However, the Richard Cooper ( 1854 Lydbrook) that links to Shortstanding seems to be the West Dean family and has a son Edwin 1847 ( in 1851 census).

Ann Nelmes ? (reply)

admin — Fri, 19 May 2006 06:33:08 +0000

Thanks Slowhands

i did another search of the parish marriage records and found this

1845 COOPER Richard NELMES Anne Ruardean

in more detail it gives the parents names and occupations which is great as richards father was Nathaniel Cooper who i believe i have found on the 1841/1851/1871 census

From what i can make out is that Richard and Ann had two sons and maybe a daughter

i believe that the the sons of the Richard and Ann lived in Shortstanding in 1871 for a brief period before moving to south wales

thanks for the map link , i'm looking forward to paying the area a visit in the summer

Ann Nelmes ? (reply)

slowhands — Fri, 19 May 2006 05:58:18 +0000

Difficult to pin down , at least 2 contenders and possible marriage reference

1841 Sinder Hill Ruardean
John Nelms abt 1781 Gloucestershire, England Ruardean Gloucestershire
Sarah Nelms abt 1781 Ruardean Gloucestershire
Ann Nelms abt 1821 Ruardean Gloucestershire
Ishos {Thos} Nelms abt 1822 Ruardean Gloucestershire

1841 Mileend St Mitcheldean
Ann Nelms abt 1826 Gloucestershire, England Mitchell Dean Gloucestershire servant

Name: Ann Nelmes ??
Year of Registration: 1844
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Westbury On Severn
County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 11
Page: 635

Richard COOPER 1827 Shortstanding (reply)

slowhands — Fri, 19 May 2006 05:57:21 +0000

1841 Shortstanding ?
Richard Cooper abt 1791 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
Harriet Cooper abt 1791 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
Hannah Cooper abt 1833 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
Henery Cooper abt 1821 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
Mary Cooper abt 1829 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
Richard Cooper abt 1826 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire

1851 Mirey
Richard Cooper abt 1828 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean Gloucestershire
Ann Cooper abt 1826 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean Gloucestershire
Amelia Cooper abt 1849 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean Gloucestershire
Edwin Cooper abt 1847 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Gloucestershire
Fanny Williams abt 1829 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Visitor West Dean Gloucestershire

Broadmoor East Dean (reply)

slowhands — Fri, 19 May 2006 05:55:26 +0000

http://www.old-maps.co.uk/
co-ords 364759,215183

Broadmoor is just north of Cinderford (nr Steam Mills)

and this is the Richard and Ann Cooper living there in
1851 Regulator (Broadmoor)
Richard Cooper abt 1818 Ex Parich Head East Dean Gloucestershire
Am Cooper abt 1823 Walford, Herefordshire, England Wife East Dean Gloucestershire
Ellice Cooper abt 1845 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean Gloucestershire
Mary Cooper abt 1847 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean Gloucestershire
Sarah Cooper abt 1850 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean Gloucestershire

1861
Richd Cooper abt 1818 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean Gloucestershire
Ann Cooper abt 1827 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean Gloucestershire
Edwin T Cooper abt 1857 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire
Jane H Cooper abt 1855 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean Gloucestershire
Mary Cooper abt 1849 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean Gloucestershire
Rebecca Cooper abt 1860 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean Gloucestershire
Sarah Cooper abt 1851 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean Gloucestershire
William Cooper abt 1854 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire

Cooper / East Dean / Broadmoors (reply)

bertha — Wed, 17 May 2006 08:15:23 +0000

Stu
Yes the village they are living in in 1871 is called Shortstanding in West Dean, they live 2 doors away from the pub the New Inn