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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could have been an Evans as well.....my Mum's maiden name ha ha!!!!!</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Wayne<br />
thanks so much for the follow-up post, and what excellent news !<br />
How lucky/inspired re your making the phonecall, thank goodness it wasn't a Jones or Williams etc you were searching ;-). Hopefully you're nearer finding a living relative, I'm sure they'll be thrilled to see the photos.</p>
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<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2012 02:30:58 +0000</pubDate>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi All,</p>
<p>So a chance phone call to a Mrs Mansell in the Rhonda (the only one in the phonebook),<br />
brought some more info.  This very helpful lady owns a book, listing all the Mansells in the vicinity.  It turns out that Phyllis was living in Mountain Ash in 1996 (the publication date of the book).</p>
<p><br />
Actually, make that 6 Llanwonno Road, Mountain Ash, CF45 3LW</p>
<p>V/R</p>
<p>Wayne</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks a lot M, you're a star !<br />
and there was me worried about knocking your suggestion she'd died in Plymouth.<br />
What a shame she only died a few years ago...</p>
<p>I've tried Googling her name for more clues as to where she was buried but no luck yet.....but I see their marriage was reported in the Gloster Journal, according to the BNA site;</p>
<p>&quot;Miss Phyllis May Witts, only daughter of Mr S. J. Witts and the late Mrs. Witts, Crown House. High-street. Newent, and Mr. Frederick ......only son Mr and Mrs. W ” <br />
Sat 24 Jul 1948, Gloucester Journal,  Gloucestershire, England </p>
<p><a href="http://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/search/results?region=south%20west%2c%20england&amp;basicsearch=phyllis%20mansell&amp;somesearch=phyllis%20mansell&amp;county=gloucestershire%2c%20england">http://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/search/results?region=south%20west%2c%20englan...</a></p>
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<title>Phyllis May WITTS born Newent 1920 -2005 (reply)</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>???</p>
<p>England &amp; Wales Death Index</p>
<p>Phyllis May MANSELL</p>
<p>birth date: 13 July 1920  (ties up with Phyllis May WITTS birth 1920)</p>
<p>Date of Registration: Apr 2005</p>
<p>age at death: 84</p>
<p>Registration District: Rhondda</p>
<p>Register Number 14A</p>
<p>District and Subdistrict 864/1A</p>
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<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2012 20:36:59 +0000</pubDate>
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<title>Sidney &amp; May Witts (reply)</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, thanks Jefff.  I'm tied up all weekend, so research will have to go on the back burner until next week....but I will send the seller of the postcards an e mail now and will be back on line next week.  With very best wishes,</p>
<p>Wayne</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Wayne,<br />
yes you're right she may have died a spinster although this lady may still have mothered children.<br />
However, wthout wanting to doubt MPG, I think this may be the wrong Phyllis. This possible error is understandable as using the free Ancestry search page I see there are a surprisingly (to me) high number of ladies named XXX May Witts. I see there are some in Wiltshire, I wonder if this was why the cards' seller in Calne had them ? <br />
Wayne, was the seller a Witts too, I'm sure they wouldn't mind you asking if they owned the cards while researching their Family History ?</p>
<p>The Ancestry search shows some quite recent Death Records for various ladies named XXX May Witts in Glostershire, could they be descendants ??<br />
<a href="http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?gl=ROOT_CATEGORY&amp;rank=1&amp;new=1&amp;so=3&amp;MSAV=0&amp;msT=1&amp;gss=ms_f-2_s&amp;gsfn=phyliss+may&amp;gsln=witts&amp;mswpn__ftp=newent&amp;msbdy=1920&amp;sbo=0&amp;uidh=dv7">http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?gl=ROOT_CATEGORY&amp;rank=1&amp;new=1&amp;...</a></p>
<p>Of course having a subscription MPG may know from the full details these people are not relevant to us. However it seems to me the name May could be a traditional &quot;family&quot; name in the Witts lines ?</p>
<p><br />
Eitherway moving on;</p>
<p>From FreeBMD <a href="http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl">http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl</a><br />
I find this marriage in Gloster Rural district(includes Newent etc) which may be our Phyllis ? <br />
<span style="color:#009;"><br />
Surname  First name(s)  Mother/Spouse/Age  District  Vol  Page  <br />
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Marriages Sep 1948   (&gt;99%)<br />
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Mansell  Frederick  Witts  Gloucester R.  7b 1299    <br />
Witts  Phyllis M  Mansell  Gloucester R.  7b 1299<br />
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Happily GlosBMD <a href="http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/bmd/MainMenu.aspx">http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/bmd/MainMenu.aspx</a><br />
confirms this and with added detail, she is a May AND from Newent !<br />
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Marriage Details<br />
Groom Surname Groom Forename Bride Surname Bride Forename District Parish Building   Year Register Entry <br />
MANSELL Frederick WITTS Phyllis May Gloucester Newent St Mary the Virgin  1948 54 No 5 20 <br />
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So seems promising....searching Fred on FreeBMD throughout UK gives several possible hits from 1948 back, Frederick's a popular Mansell name, but the majority are in the Midlands. This is a standout tho', right locality and age<br />
<span style="color:#009;"><br />
Surname   Given Name   Mother   District   Volume   Page   Transcriber   <br />
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Births Jun 1922 <br />
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Mansell Frederick Booker Ross 6a 815 OurSmallCapital <br />
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Now of course no proof as such, but I think reasonable evidence to suggest Phyliss did marry and there may be decendants alive now still. Sadly I cannot find any subsequent births on this FoDFH site, FreeBMD or GlosBMD, not surprisingly as these sites rarely help post 1950 due to the confidentiality rulings etc re searching possibly living people. <br />
Searching Ancestry may help, or I suggest a good start would be the Phone Books (altho they're so thin these days), or maybe best a letter to the local Newent newspapers, someone may know something or someone.</p>
<p>Please read <a href="http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?mode=thread&amp;id=10668">http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?mode=thread&amp;id=10668</a></p>
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I must say Wayne I think it grand you wanting to reunite these photos with the family, it always upsets me when I see old photos for sale apparently unwanted by the descendants; well done sir !</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Am I reading this correctly.....Sidney and May's daughter died as a spinster and didn't have any children?</p>
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<title>WW1 War Medals (reply)</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;'If they received the Victory Medal - wouldn't they have survived?' not good on military history&quot;</p>
<p><br />
NO, not necessarily. The main six Campaign medals such as this were actually awarded from 1919 onwards, in some cases to men &quot;no longer living&quot; #.</p>
<p>Some of these Medals referred to different time periods/parts of the War, whereas some such as the &quot;Victory Medal 1914-1919&quot; were more all-encompassing, essentially everyone who &quot;served on a military unit in an operational theatre&quot; earned the Victory Medal, usually alongside the &quot;British War Medal 1914-1920&quot; that could also be earned by civilians.  Again the LLT site has it all including colour medal photos.<br />
<a href="http://1914-1918.net/grandad/themedals.htm">http://1914-1918.net/grandad/themedals.htm</a></p>
<p>Dependant on the individual's length of Service the Medal Card can be quite brief or an overcrowded &quot;mess&quot; of various handwritten entries, notes, symbols etc, almost a secret code in places !.  However it's usually easy to see whether the man was wounded or even killed, as the righthand &quot;remarks&quot; box would have &quot;K.I.A&quot; for Killed in Action, for example. <br />
<a href="http://1914-1918.net/grandad/mic.htm">http://1914-1918.net/grandad/mic.htm</a></p>
<p># Sadly many serving men died after the War, some many years later, such as from major wounds that never healed properly(no plastic surgery or antibiotics then), or lungs damaged from gas poisoning, and so on. Many more died from the Spanish flu pandemic in 1919. <a href="http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/FWWinfluenzia.htm">http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/FWWinfluenzia.htm</a></p>
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Hope this helps, if not the Long Long Trail site will probably tell us.</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is truely amazing info MPG.....many many thanks</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FOD records</p>
<p>Baptism at Pauntley - 28 October 1900</p>
<p>Frank Herbert John LEIGHTON </p>
<p>parents: John (labourer) &amp; Harriet</p>
<p>residence: Pool Hill Pauntley</p>
<p>memoranda: born July 31st 1900</p>
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<p>Ancestry</p>
<p>National Probate Calendar</p>
<p>LEIGHTON, Frank Herbert John otherwise Frank Herbert of 76 Keynsham Road, Cheltenham died 1 December 1959 at The General Hospital Cheltenham.</p>
<p>Administration:  Gloucester 31 December to Kathleen Muriel LEIGHTON widow.  Effects £879 15s 4d.</p>
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<p>Gloucestershirebdm</p>
<p>Marriage at St Luke's Cheltenham 1932</p>
<p>Frank LEIGHTON/Kathleen WILLIAMS</p>
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<p>Gloucestershirebdm</p>
<p>LEIGHTON - mother's maiden name WILLIAMS - (Cheltenham)</p>
<p>John M H LEIGHTON - 1934 - <em> Ancestry</em> - married Sheila M BEAL - 1959 Cheltenham<br />
Mark P C  LEIGHTON  1939   - <em> Ancestry</em> - married Mary E PENFOLD - 1971 - Plympton, Devon</p>
<p><br />
Ancestry - Phone Books: 1974</p>
<p>Gloucester-Swindon</p>
<p>M P C LEIGHTON<br />
16 Lavington Drive<br />
LongLevens<br />
Bellegate</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Still 'delving'- got the correct parents for Sidney, as they are living in Taynton 1911 - married 21 years - put the info on the other message.</p>
<p>'If they received the Victory Medal - wouldn't they have survived?' not good on military history</p>
<p><br />
Looking at the births on Ancestry - it would 'seem' is middle name if John</p>
<p>???</p>
<p>England &amp; Wales, Death Index</p>
<p>Name: Sidney John WITTS</p>
<p>Birth Date: 1891</p>
<p>Date of Registration: J-F-M 1975</p>
<p>age at death: 83</p>
<p>Inferred County - East Glamorgan</p>
<p>Inferred County: Mid Glamorgan</p>
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<p><br />
?</p>
<p>Name: May WITTS</p>
<p>birth date: abt 1893</p>
<p>age at death: 52</p>
<p>Registration District: Gloucester Rural</p>
<p>Inferred County: Gloucestershire</p>
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<p><br />
Looking at FreeBDM - for WITTS births - mother's maiden name: LEIGHTON</p>
<p><br />
Phyllis M WITTS- 1920 - Newent District</p>
<p><br />
FOD records</p>
<p><br />
Baptism at Newent - 5 September 1920</p>
<p>Phyllis May WITTS</p>
<p>parents: Sydney John (farm labourer) and May</p>
<p>residence: Arthay (?) Cross Newent</p>
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<p>???</p>
<p>Ancestry Death Index</p>
<p><br />
Phyllis May WITTS</p>
<p>birth date: 14 April 1920</p>
<p>age 66</p>
<p>Plymouth District</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, this is great info.  Did he survive the war?  I truly hope so as the 2nd postcard is dated Aug 1918, only 3 months before the end of hostilities.</p>
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<p>British Army WW1 Medal Rolls Index Cards 1914-1920</p>
<p>Sidney J WITTS</p>
<p>Royal Field Artillery</p>
<p>Reg. No: 59176</p>
<p><br />
Gnr.</p>
<p>Theatre of War: France<br />
Date of entry therein : 28 July 1915</p>
<p><br />
MEDAL</p>
<p>Victory: RFA/190B - Page 18014</p>
<p>British : ditto</p>
<p>15 Star - RFA/5 A &amp; B - page 4486</p>
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<p><br />
1901 Census, Newent</p>
<p>Anthony Cross</p>
<p>WITTS</p>
<p>Thomas - 31 - Stockman on Farm - born Castlemorton, Worcs<br />
Ellen - 47 - born Eldersfield<br />
Sidney J - 9 - born Longdon, Worcs</p>
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<p><br />
1911 Census, Rents Green, Taynton, Glos  (married 21 years)</p>
<p>Tom WITTS - 41<br />
Ellen WITTS -56</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amazing Info.....many thanks MPG,</p>
<p>Wayne</p>
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<title>May (nee LEIGHTON) WITTS - (mother's maiden name BEALE) (reply)</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1901 Census, Glos. Pauntley</p>
<p>Pool Hill</p>
<p>LEIGHTON</p>
<p>John - 48 - Farm Labourer, General, born Glos. Pauntley<br />
Harriet - 45 - born Newent<br />
Eva - 14 - born Pauntley<br />
Annie - 12 - born Canterbury, Kent<br />
May - 7 - born Glos. Pauntley<br />
Emily - 4<br />
Frank - 8 months (assume to whom the Postcards had been posted)  - who is the only one at home with his parents on the 1911 census (Pool Hill, Newent)</p>
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<p><br />
1891 Census, Newent, Culvert Street</p>
<p>Mary BEALE - Widow - 67 - born Oxenhall<br />
Harriet LEIGHTON - daughter, married - 36 - born Newent<br />
Eva G  - grand-daughter - born Newent (baptism on FOD records at Pauntley - 4 July 1886 - Eva Gertrude)<br />
Ellen A - 2 - born Canterbury, Kent</p>
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<p><br />
Again Cheltenham connections....</p>
<p><br />
1881 </p>
<p>Harriet BEALE age 25, is a Parlour Maid at Alston Court, in Cheltenham to Elizabeth ROBINSON, School Mistress.</p>
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<p><br />
1871 Census, East Dean Lydbrook</p>
<p>BEAL</p>
<p>Thomas - 63 - Labourer, born Clearwell<br />
Mary - 58 - Home Duties - born East Dean<br />
George - 28 - Collier<br />
Sarah Ann - 26 - Laundress<br />
Harriet - 18 - unemployed<br />
John - 13 Collier<br />
Tom - Grandson - 4</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recently bought 2 postcards off e bay of Sidney J and May Witts (nee Leighton).  The first one is of their wedding day on 30th May 1917 and the second one is a studio picture taken in Aug 1918.  Sidney is pictured in WW1 Royal Field Artillery Uniform.  Both pictures are embossed with the photographers' name...Martyn Bros, Cheltenham.  Further research (courtesy of Cheltenham Reference Library) has revealed that Sidney was the son of Mr &amp; Mrs Witts, from Taynton, Glos whilst May was the third daughter of Mr &amp; Mrs John Leighton, from Pool Hill, Newent.  These details were obtained from 'The Cheltenham Chronical and  Glo'shire Graphic' dated Sat 7th July 1917.  The photographers were based in Oriel Villas, Oriel Road, Cheltenham.  Their wedding took place at St Philip's Church, Cheltenham.</p>
<p>Both postcards were sent to a gentleman called 'Frank' and the e bay seller came from Calne, Wiltshire.</p>
<p>I would love to be able to supply copies of these pictures to any surviving relative(s)</p>
<p>Wayne Finch, Cheltenham</p>
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