Robin

Here he is in the 1911 Census c/o free Ancestry access,
5 Room Residence in Farm Lane Nr Ruardean, Glos

Name Relation to Head Birth Date Age Gender Marital Status Years Married Occupation Birth Place
George Whittington Head abt 1845 66 Male Married 27yrs School Cleaner East Dean
Fanny Whittington Wife abt 1856 55 Female Married 27yrs Ruardean East Dean
William Whittington Son abt 1887 24 Male Single Coal Miner Hewer East Dean
Harold Whittington Son abt 1894 17 Male Single Coal Miner Hewer East Dean
Seymour Rawlings Son In Law abt 1888 23 Male Married under 1yr Coal Miner Hewer East Dean
Fanny Rawlings Daughter abt 1889 22 Female Married under 1yr East Dean
Austin Rawlings Son abt 1910 1 Male East Dean

I hope this link to image works (?):
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?htx=view&r=5538&dbid=2352&iid=rg14_15652...

This site's Wills section contains Wills for George & Fanny Rhoda Whittington c1925 at this same address.

Record_ID: 1005231
Entry_Number: 240
Year: 1968
Month: Dec
Day: 17
Surname: RAWLINGS
Forenames: Austin Alfred
Residence: 1 Hazel Villas High St Drybrook
Age_at_death: 58
Officiating_Minister: H G E Hiscox
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/31
Page_No: 30
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook
Soundex: R452

Record_ID: 16485
Entry_Number: 1547
Year: 1888
Month: Feb
Day: 14
Parents_Surname: RAWLINS
Child_Forenames: Seymour
Fathers_Forenames: Alfred
Mothers_Forenames: Elizabeth
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Ruardean Hill
Occupation: Coal Miner
Officiating_Minister: William Barker Vicar
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: P[rivately?]
Notes:
Register_Reference: PFC109 IN 1/4
Page_Number: 194
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook
Soundex: R452

Record_ID: 1008466
Entry_Number: 503
Year: 1941
Month: Jul
Day: 14
Surname: RAWLINGS
Forenames: Seymour
Residence: Morse Road Drybrook
Age_at_death: 53
Officiating_Minister: A G Partridge
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes: P in left margin
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/38
Page_No: 63
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook
Soundex: R452

From GlosBMD;

Marriage Details
Groom Surname Groom Forename Bride Surname Bride Forename District Parish Building Year Register Entry
RAWLINGS Seymour WHITTINGTON Fanny Forest of Dean Westbury-on-Severn (FoD) Register Office 1911 15 68

Record_ID: 253019
Entry_Number: 739
Year: 1889
Month: May
Day: 22
Parents_Surname: WHITTINGTON
Child_Forenames: Fanny
Fathers_Forenames: George
Mothers_Forenames: Fanny
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: East Dean
Occupation: Collier
Officiating_Minister: W H Webber
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: Bible Christian Chapel Ruardean
Notes:
Register_Reference: D2598 5/5
Page_Number:
Parish_Chapel: Forest of Dean Bible Christian
Soundex: W352

Record_ID: 1005028
Entry_Number: 35
Year: 1963
Month: Dec
Day: 13
Surname: RAWLINGS
Forenames: Fanny
Residence: The Slope Nailbridge Drybrook
Age_at_death: 74
Officiating_Minister: Murray Penfold Off Min
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/31
Page_No: 5
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook
Soundex: R452

Surname Given Name Mother District Volume Page Transcriber
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Births Jun 1914
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ROBERTS Kathleen F. Cann Westbury S. 6a 500 Jacqui

(So Kathleen's mother was indeed a Cann, as per the Paddington Marriage Record found above).

No Burial for Kathleen on FreeBMD but most recent entry is 1962 so not surprising.
Ancestry Free Search pages show a Death in 1995 for a Freda Kathleen Roberts in Glos ?? Can also see Kathleen to be a popular Roberts name in C20th Glos.

Also from FreeBMD I find these possible siblings (Robin, after 1911 the Birth Registers recorded mother's maiden names, so easier to search). http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

Surname First name(s) Mother District Vol Page
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Births Mar 1912 (>99%)
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Roberts Phyllis M Cann Westbury S. 6a 513
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From GlosBMD:
Marriage Details
Groom Surname Groom Forename Bride Surname Bride Forename District Parish Building Year Register Entry
RAWLINGS Austin Alfred ROBERTS Phyllis Margaret Forest of Dean Drybrook Holy Trinity 1935 7 52
http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/bmd/SimpleSearch.aspx

Record_ID: 104266
Entry_Number: 52
Year: 1935
Month: Feb
Day: 9
Grooms_Surname: RAWLINGS
Grooms_Forenames: Austin Alfred
Grooms_Age: 24
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Collier
Grooms_Residence: Morse Road Drybrook
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Rawlings
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: Seymour
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Collier
Brides_Surname: ROBERTS
Brides_Forenames: Phyllis Margaret
Brides_Age: 23
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: High Street Drybrook
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Roberts
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Richard George
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Collier
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both sign
Witness_1: Richard George Roberts
Witness_2: George Ivor John Brain
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: George R Newman Vicar
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P109 IN1/22
Page_Number: 26
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook
Soundex_Groom: R452
Soundex_Bride: R163

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Births Sep 1916 (>99%)
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Roberts Verdun Cann Westbury S. 6a 482

Deaths Sep 1916 (>99%)
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Roberts Verdun 0 Westbury S. 6a 277

Record_ID: 249045
Entry_Number: 553
Year: 1916
Month: Sep
Day: 16
Surname: ROBERTS
Forenames: Verdun
Residence: Drybrook
Age_at_death: 2 months
Officiating_Minister: James Lawton Vicar
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/14
Page_No: 70
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook
Soundex: R163

I cannot find an Inquest for Verdun, but infant deaths were far from uncommon then.

Here's a Prior thread wrt Verdun and father Richard George Roberts.
http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=24305

The Battle of Verdun thro 1916 didn't generally involve British troops, but the sheer horror of the huge casualties sustained by Britain's French allies meant a lot of British children b1916 were named Verdun in memoriam.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Verdun

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I've also only just found this Prior Thread wrt Emily Cann hence Richard George Roberts. I'm pleased to see my earlier posts have been generally correlated, but far more importantly we know more about Richard's mother Maria.

I'm also pleased to discover why I coudn't find them on the 1901 Census; presumably for reasons associated with their brief London "adventure", Richard & Emily soon returned to Drybrook with a very young Richard George Junior, but were now known as Cinderby if only, presumably, on the Census forms rather than the local community.
Well spotted & thanks for clarifying, Slowhands & Co !

(Robin, you may recall Sarah Cinderby was mentioned by MPG at top of your thread).

See Prior Thread http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=23927

Robin, may I recommend you study the website of David Watkins aka "Admin" linked within the above Prior Thread.
http://david.watkins.org.au/cgi-bin/perlged.cgi?method=get&action=display&selec...

It appears Robin that you are distantly related to the founder of this great website who sadly passed away this year.
Please see the post pinned to the top of the Forum Index, David was clearly a great man who we all owe so very much to, thankyou Dave.

http://www.cotswold.gov.uk/nqcontent.cfm?a_id=5732

I also like and now collect maps, have done since schooldays.
This map website is a favourite of mine as it's easy to navigate across the pages (altho perhaps due to my pc I can't get the map to "enlarge" as it used to by clicking the righthand "bigger map" icon (I'd be gratefull please if anyone can try it themselves, is it just me ??)
http://www.visionofbritain.org.uk/place/place_page.jsp;jsessionid=BFC0A6FD813ED281E8363...

It helps if you have an understanding of the Ordnance Survey maps system and even the reason they were introduced in the early C18th, but not essential by any means.

Thanks again to this forum I also like the Old Maps website, it is more difficult to drive (probably just me) but it is great as it holds many maps for many eras for any given area, it really is very informative and worth serious attention methinks.
www.old-maps.co.uk/maps.html

Ideally enter a modern postcode into the search box, easily found for "new" areas using a search engine (I find many place names are not recognised altho they are on the site's maps. Also some places eg Westbury On Severn, have to be entered "just so" wrt hyphens etc or the computer just says no..., your Bourton is a good example of this !).

Wait for modern map of your area to load, with the search item (postcode) dead centre. If you want to look at somewhere towards the edge of this map, drag it so the chosen area is centred, this can be important to get required map coverage to load.
On the righthand side a dropmenu will list the available maps for your area, in varying scales in chronological order.
Click on the desired map image - main map will be replaced by your chosen old one - be patient as it can take a while to load.
Often the most usefull map (most detail) will be one of the large scale maps eg 1:2500, early OS maps show individual buildings etc etc. I recommend you now select an overall screen zoom setting of abt 200%, such that the framed map image fills your screen yet remains readable. Furthermore, if you click the "spyglass" icon it will then zoom again but with no loss of clarity.

As long as you are able to persuade the site's search engine to load the right map for the area you're hoping to study (postcode is best way !), and you allow time for it to "think" and images to load, this is a truly excellent & most usefull website. However be warned the site can have it's lazy moments, it doesn't like my less-able laptop for example but is fine on my higher powered pc, but it's a free site so I'm not complaining at all !

Finally, there are some companies (including Old Maps) offering excellent downloads or printed paper reproductions of old maps across the whole UK, usually based on the old OS maps, some also to streetplan level. I won't advertise them here, if you're interested I'll happily email you company names or they can found on the usual online shopping/auction sites.

Glad you've found something of interest here, I also hope the Parish Record and Census info is in line with what you hoped for or even already knew - personally if I've got something wrong I'm delighted to be corrected, thanks.

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RE Your Point re the Northleach Bypass; I was driving the A40 before the bypass was built and used to stopoff for Friday evening meals at the roundabout? on the western edge of Northleach, probably the one you're thinking of.
Please can you tell me, there used to be a large openair museum there "Countryside Collection" or somesuch, exhibiting old farm wagons etc. However I cannot find it on tinternet, is it still there please ?
I know Bourton from many school trips etc, usually paired with Chedworth Roman Villa; nowadays I occasionally drive thro enroute twixt the Forest and my wife's hometown of Banbury, so usually around Christmas time and often in snow.

Re my earlier post please don't think I was "knocking" the Cotswolds, not at all, I just think wooded & hilly areas like the Forest are more interesting & pleasing on the eye compared to generally flatter rolling farmland, be it in Glorious Glostershire or Italian Tuscany for example.
atb Jeff

Year: 1935
Month: Apr
Day: 6
Grooms_Surname: ROBERTS
Grooms_Forenames: Cecil Albert
Grooms_Age: 27
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Collier
Grooms_Residence: The Hawthorns
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Roberts
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: Samuel Paul
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Miner deceased
Brides_Surname: ROBERTS
Brides_Forenames: Kathleen Freda
Brides_Age: 21
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Drybrook
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Roberts
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Richard George
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Miner
etc

So Kathleen Freda Roberts was born abt 1914.

So Kathleen was already a Roberts, related or coincidence ?
Cannot find her Birth or Burial PRs on this site or GlosBMD. FreeBMD is offline, revisit later...

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Searching this site's PRs for her father & witness Richard George Roberts:

Record_ID: 252357
Entry_Number: 20
Year: 1878
Month: May
Day: 19
Parents_Surname: ROBERTS
Child_Forenames: Richard George
Fathers_Forenames: [not stated]
Mothers_Forenames: Maria
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: East Dean Gloucester
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister: Thomas Perry Oliver
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: Ruardean Woodside
Notes:
Register_Reference: D2598 5/5
Page_Number:
Parish_Chapel: Forest of Dean Bible Christian
Soundex: R163

So Richard's mother is Maria XXX, father perhaps George Roberts = ????

(Richard George b1878 is on an Ancestry members family tree, Cook = may help ?)

Think this is also our Richard George

1911 Census: 7 rooms, Drybrook Near Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire.

Richard G Roberts Head abt 1878 33 Male Married 12yrs Colliery Hewer Ruardean, Gloucestershire
Emily Roberts Wife abt 1878 33 Female Married 12yrs Drybrook, Gloucestershire
Richard G Roberts Son abt 1900 11 Male school Chelsea, Gloucestershire
Pearl E Roberts Daughter abt 1902 9 Female school East Dean, Gloucestershire
Herbert Roberts Son abt 1906 5 Male school East Dean, Gloucestershire

So they married abt 1899, and from FreeBMD:

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
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Marriages Sep 1899 (>99%)
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Cann Emily Paddington 1a 95
Roberts Richard George Paddington 1a 95

And:

Surname Given Name District Volume Page Transcriber
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Births Dec 1899
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Roberts Richard George Chelsea 1a 403 jakems

So looks like Richard and Emily married while both still barely 21 at Paddington, at the end of the GWR, did they run away to have their baby ?. No matter as they lived -out their lives together long afterwards and back in Drybrook too !

Their 1901 Census entry (still in London?) might be interesting, eg Occupation ?.
Sorry cannot find on LDS ?

While searching LDS also found this, could it be Richard Sr ?

"England and Wales Census, 1881,"
name: Richard Roberts
age: 3
gender: Male
birth year: 1878
birthplace: East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
relationship to head of household: Gson
marital condition: Single
profession/occupation:
address: (Newham Bottom)
census place: East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
disability:
record type: Household
family history library film: 1341609
the national archives reference: RG11
piece/folio: 2522 / 20
page number: 2
Household Gender Age Birthplace
head William Roberts M 53 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England
wife Ann Roberts F 52 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England
daughter Elizabeth Roberts F 26 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England
son James Roberts M 22 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England
son Henry Roberts M 9 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
gson Richard Roberts M 3 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
gson Thomas Roberts M 2 Ross, Herefordshire, England

??

My best from this site for Emily's Baptism ??:

Record_ID: 148067
Entry_Number: 344
Year: 1880
Month: Mar
Day: 11
Parents_Surname: ROBERTS
Child_Forenames: Emily
Fathers_Forenames: Thomas
Mothers_Forenames: Hannah
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Crow Hill
Occupation: Labourer
Officiating_Minister: Francis T[ebbs] Havergal. Vicar.
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: Born Apr[il] 4 1878
Notes:
Register_Reference: AD99/5
Page_Number: 43
Parish_Chapel: Upton Bishop
Soundex: R163

Record_ID: 1008829
Entry_Number: 864
Year: 1948
Month: Feb
Day: 14
Surname: ROBERTS
Forenames: Richard George
Residence: 2 High St Drybrook
Age_at_death: 70
Officiating_Minister: T R Deakin
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/38
Page_No: 108
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook
Soundex: R163

Record_ID: 1008707
Entry_Number: 743
Year: 1946
Month: Jan
Day: 15
Surname: ROBERTS
Forenames: Emily
Residence: 2 High St Drybrook
Age_at_death: 69
Officiating_Minister: T R Deakin
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/38
Page_No: 93
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook
Soundex: R163

Ah well, trust you to make sense of it all MPG, it's near Northleach north Glos.
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/GLS/Farmington/Gaz1868.html

I've driven the A40 thro Northleach probably hundreds of times enroute twixt Middlesex & Dean, guess I saw a Farmington signpost ?.
I wonder why Albert found himself moving from a wellknown sheep farming area to become a Dean ironminer ? As much as the Cotswolds are beautiful, areas such as Northleach can be very harsh, windswept and snowbound in the wintertime - I know I'm biased but I fully agree with his moving to Dean ;-)
Knowing Annie's home the Lea as I do I presume he was still in the farming business when he met her, perhaps via the GWR at Longhope ?.

Then again I see Farmington also has a long history of stone quarrying, perhaps that was Albert's skills, so very akin to Drybrook with it's quarrying and local iron mining too ?.

"The lord of the manor leased a stone quarry on the common downs at Farmington to two Northleach masons in 1634, and a quarry or 'mine' was recorded on the Fyfield family's estate in 1639. The principal quarry in the parish was later the Foss quarry, which was opened before 1707 beside the Foss way at the north-west boundary. It was probably an area where stone had long been dug in many small pits, for the part of the open fields adjoining the quarry on the south was known as the Diggings. The Foss quarry, where the old extensive workings had been closed and replaced by new ones to the south before 1882, was leased to a Farmington mason Caleb Joynes from the mid 19th century. He was succeeded there before 1876 by Stephen Joynes who worked as a mason in Farmington until the early 1930s, presumably still leasing the quarry. The owners of the estate, the Barrow family, took the quarry in hand before the Second World War and worked it subsequently on its own account. From 1991 Capt. J. J. D. Barrow made it his principal enterprise, modernizing the equipment and expanding the business. In 1999, when 70 people were employed there, including 15 qualified stonemasons, the business had two main branches, the supply of building stone, including ashlar and rubble walling stone, flagstones, and architectural dressings, and the production of a range of fireplaces in traditional styles."

From: 'Parishes: Farmington', A History of the County of Gloucester: volume 9: Bradley hundred. The Northleach area of the Cotswolds (2001), pp. 69-81. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=66463
Date accessed: 25 October 2012.

There is still a Farmington Natural Stone company in the area.

Hope my muses are of interest, thanks again M !

1911 Census, Glos
New Barn Farmington, Northleach

5 rooms

LEE

James - 60 - married 30 years, 9 children, 8 born alive, 1 dead, born Oxon. Grafton
Sarah - 50 - born Glos. Windrush
Arthur - 26 - Waggoner on Farm, born Oxon. Bencot
William - 23 - ditto, born Oxon. Helmscott
John - 17 - ditto, born Oxon, Little Faringdon
Alice - 17 - born Glos, Aldsworth
Thomas - 15 - born Glos, Aldsworth
Vellie (daughter) - 12 - born Glos. Aldsworth
Albert - 10 - born Glos. Farmington
John - 5 - born Glos. Farmington

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1901 Census,
New Barn Cottage
Farmington

LEE

James - 45 - Carter on Farm, born Oxford, Grafton
Sarah - 40 - born Glos. Windrush
Lydia - 19 - born Oxford, Kelmscott
Arthur - 16 - Ag. Lab. born ditt
William - 13 - born ditto
John - 10 - born Berks, Little Farington
Alice - 7 - born Glos. Aldsworth
Thomas - 5 - born ditto
Ellen - 1 - born ditto
Albert - 3 months. born Glos. Farmington

1891 Census, Oxford
Langford

Common Farm Cottage

LEE

James - 42 , born Grafton, Oxon
Sarah - 31 - born Labbroad Glos
Lydia - 9 - born Kemscott, Oxon
Sarah A - 7 - born Alvescott
Arthur - 6 - born Kescott
John - 4 months - born Little Farington

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Looking at Gloucestershirebdm: mother's maiden name PRESTON

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1881 Census, Oxford, Kelmscott

James LEE - 31, Ag. Lab. born Oxford, Grafton
Sarah LEE - 22 - born Glos. Windrush

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FreeBDM

Marriage, Faringdon District: O/N/D Qtr 1879

James LEE
Sarah Jane PRESTON

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1871 Census, Oxfordshire, Grafton

LEA

William - 53
Ann - 48
James - 22
Thomas - 14
Fanny - 12
Louisa - 9
Emma - 6

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1851 Census, Oxfordshire, Grafton (very small place)

LEA

William - 33 - Farm Labourer, born Oxford, Grafton
Ann - 31
John - 5
James - 3
Hanah - 1

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It would appear the PRESTON's were also Carters

1861 Census, Aldsworth
Windrush

PRESTON

Ambrose - 41, Carter, born Asth, Ox
Hannah - 34 - born Standlock, Ox
William - 15 - born Swinbrook, Ox
Ann - 12 - born Astle
Harriet - 9 - born Astle
George C - 7 - born Fulbrook
Richard - 5 - born Little Barrington
Henry J - 3 - born Sherborne
Sarah J - 1 - born Windrush - GlosBDM : Mother's maiden name COOMBS

1891 Census, East Dean

CLOSE

Comfort - Widow - 70 - born Hereford, Brompton Abbotts
Albert - 26 - farm labourer, born Lea
Isaac - 24 (witness at wedding)
Charles - 21
Annie - 13 - General Servant
Fanny CLOSE, - grand-daughter - age 11

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1881 Census, Westbury on Severn
District of Cindeford

CLOSE

William - 57 : Iron Miner, born East Dean
Comfort - 50 : born Longhope
Alice - 17 -: born Lea, Herefordshire
Albert - 16 : Iron Miner, born Lea
Comfort - 12 : born Lea
Annie - 8 : born Lea
Fanny L CLOSE, grand-daughter -2 born East Dean

next door

William CLOSE, 25 : Iron Miner, born Lea, Herefordshire
Elizabeth CLOSE : 27 - born Herefordshire
Annie E CLOSE : 1 - born East Dean

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1871 Census, Herefordshire
Lower Lea

Lea Village :
Ann CLOSE, Widow, 74, born Hereford
James CLOSE, Grandson, 18 - born Lea
William CLOSE, Grandson - 16 - born Lea

next door

Rock Pitch

CLOSE

William - 40 - Labourer, born East Dean
Comfort - 39 born East Dean
Sarah - 12
Ruth - 10
Alice - 8
Albert - 6
Isaac - 4
Comfort - 2
Charles - 6 months

1861 Census, Lea Herefordshire
6 Lea Village

Isaac CLOSE - 75 - Ag. Lab. born Glos. Havening
Anne - 65 - born Hereford, Linton
John CLOSE - Grandson - 10 - born Lea

few doors away

CLOSE

William - 32 - Ag. Lab. born Glos. Lea Hamlet
Comfort - 31 - born Longhope
Hannah - 9 - born Longhope
James - 8 -
William - 6
Sarah Ann - 2
Ruth - 4 months

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1851 Census, Herefordshire, Lea Lower

"No Name"

Isaak CLOSE - 70 - Ag Lab. born Glos. Tedbury
Ann CLOSE - 50 - Charwoman, born Hereford
William CLOSE - 23 - born Glos. East Dean
Comfort CLOSE - 21 - born Longhope
Thomas CLOSE -Grandson - 1 - born Lea

and 1841 Census, Lea Glos

Lea Village

CLOSE

Isaac - 50
Ann - 35
William - 12
Thos. 4

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FOD records

Marriage at Lea - 9 June 1828

Isaac CLOSE, Bachelor, residence: the Parish of Lea, Herefordshire

married

Ann PRITCHARD, Spinster, residence: The Parish of Lea, Herefordshire

witnesses: John WELLINGTON and Thomas LEWIS

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Freebdm

William CLOSE/Comfort PHELPS - J/F/M Qtr 1850 - Westbury on Severn

Gloucetershirebdm: Forest of Dean Register Office, Westbury on Severn

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Comfort PHELPS - says she was born in Longhope c1828/32

Here's another Comfort - although looking at previous thread and baptism records, Comfort's parents given as John & Sarah PHELPS

FOD records

Baptism:

Comfort PHELPS - 9 December 1832, at Longhope, parents Thomas & Susan

Comfort PHELPS - 22 January 1832, at Aston Ingham, parents John & Sarah

??
1841 Census, Lower and Upper Longhope

PHELPS

Thomas - 40
Susannah - 35
Mary - 4
Comfort - 8
Thomas - 6
Eliza - 2
Sarah - 14

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1851 Census, Longhope

PHELPS

Thomas - 48 - farm labourer, all born Longhope
Susann - 46
Eliza - 12
Elizabeth - 3

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previous threads

http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?mode=thread&id=25229#p32100

'on this thread from Loused'

5 Comfort 22 January 1832, christened both in Aston Ingham & Longhope md William CLOSE - 15 children

See above: different parents for Comfort christened in 1832 at Aston Ingham & Longhope

Record ID 163655
Entry Number 27
Year 1896
Month Dec
Day 14
Parents Surname ROBERTS
Child Forenames Francis William
Fathers Forenames Samuel Paul
Mothers Forenames Annie
Mothers Surname
Residence East Dean Gloucester
Occupation Collier
Officiating Minister W Hill
Event Baptism
Memoranda Drybrook Chapel
Notes
Register Reference D2598 5/6
Page Number 4
Parish Chapel Forest of Dean Bible Christian

Record ID 163760
Entry Number 134
Year 1899
Month Jul
Day 9
Parents Surname ROBERTS
Child Forenames D_ Fanny May
Fathers Forenames Samuel Paul
Mothers Forenames Annie
Mothers Surname
Residence East Dean Gloucester
Occupation Collier
Officiating Minister W. Rickard
Event Baptism
Memoranda Drybrook
Notes Some letters in the child's first forename were illegible.
Register Reference D2598 5/6
Page Number 20
Parish Chapel Forest of Dean Bible Christian

Record ID 164082
Entry Number 347
Year 1905
Month Mar
Day 2
Parents Surname ROBERTS
Child Forenames Ida Mabel
Fathers Forenames Samuel Paul
Mothers Forenames Annie
Mothers Surname
Residence East Dean Gloster
Occupation Collier
Officiating Minister D. Rowse
Event Baptism
Memoranda In Drybrook Chapel
Notes
Register Reference D2598 5/6
Page Number 65
Parish Chapel Forest of Dean Bible Christian

Record ID 164315
Entry Number 580
Year 1909
Month Apr
Day 8
Parents Surname ROBERTS
Child Forenames Albert Cecil
Fathers Forenames Samuel Paul
Mothers Forenames Annie
Mothers Surname
Residence Rail Bridge East Dean Gloucester
Occupation Collier
Officiating Minister J. H. Batt
Event Baptism
Memoranda Drybrook Chapel
Notes
Register Reference D2598 5/6
Page Number 99
Parish Chapel Forest of Dean Bible Christian

Searching FreeBMD for Births registered to parents Roberts & Close in Westbury-O-Severn District, shows Gwen was quite possibly Ida's sister ?:

Surname First name(s) Mother District Vol Page
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Births Sep 1912
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Roberts Gwendoline D R Close Westbury S. 6a 495

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Births Dec 1914
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Roberts Royston C Close Westbury S. 6a 471

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Births Jun 1917
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Roberts Sidney J Close Westbury S 6a 411

(NB before 1911 mother's name wasn't recorded, so no hits for this search pre 1911)

From GlosBMD, this may be our Royston C. Roberts:

Marriage Details
Groom Surname Groom Forename Bride Surname Bride Forename District Parish Building Year Register Entry
ROBERTS Royston Charles CARTER Maudie Frances Catherine Gloucester Newent St Mary the Virgin 1936 54 No 4 4

Confirmed as our man by:

Record_ID: 103081
Entry_Number: 4
Year: 1936
Month: Aug
Day: 1
Grooms_Surname: ROBERTS
Grooms_Forenames: Royston Charles
Grooms_Age: 21
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Collier
Grooms_Residence: Drybrook
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Roberts
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: Samuel Paul
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Deceased
Brides_Surname: CARTER
Brides_Forenames: Maudie Frances Catherine
Brides_Age: 26
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation: Domestic
Brides_Residence: Newent
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Carter
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Arthur
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Labourer
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both Sign
Witness_1: Gilbert Henry Roberts
Witness_2: A Carter
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: Cyril J K Burnell Rector
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P225 IN 1/35
Page_Number: 2
Parish_Chapel: Newent
Soundex_Groom: R163
Soundex_Bride: C636

Possibly our Sidney J Roberts ?, age fits the birthdate:

Record_ID: 1008801
Entry_Number: 836
Year: 1947
Month: Jul
Day: 17
Surname: ROBERTS
Forenames: Sidney Jack
Residence: Cinderford
Age_at_death: 30
Officiating_Minister: J Carlyle W[illegible] Rector of Uley
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/38
Page_No: 105
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook
Soundex: R163

Record_ID: 116808
Entry_Number: 570
Year: 1873
Month: Dec
Day: 25
Parents_Surname: CLOSE
Child_Forenames: Annie
Fathers_Forenames: William
Mothers_Forenames: Comfort
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: The Lea
Occupation: Miner
Officiating_Minister: W[illia]m D Hall
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: Xmas Day
Notes:
Register_Reference: 523
Page_Number: 72
Parish_Chapel: Lea
Soundex: C420

Record_ID: 1009205
Entry_Number: 1240
Year: 1955
Month: Sep
Day: 28
Surname: ROBERTS
Forenames: Annie
Residence: Rock House Hawthorns Drybrook
Age_at_death: 83
Officiating_Minister: W Barber (Vicar)
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/38
Page_No: 155
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook
Soundex: R163

NB: This site also contains Baptism & Burial PRs for Annie Elizabeth Close, born Drybrook abt the same time & to father William, however I think her Marriage record rules her out of this "equation".

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As per MPG's earlier 1901 Census post, Samuel Paul Roberts' father was George Roberts "aged 73".

From this site's PRs:

Record_ID: 94345
Entry_Number: 1266
Year: 1903
Month: Oct
Day: 15
Surname: ROBERTS
Forenames: George
Residence: Drybrook
Age_at_death: 72 years
Officiating_Minister: James Lawton Vicar
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/13
Page_No: 159
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook
Soundex: R163

From this site's Wills Search Page, George died 11th October and left £154.
http://www.forest-of-dean.net/wills/search_testator.html

This site has several more Wills re Drybrook area Roberts, worth closer searching ?

Record_ID: 83619
Entry_Number: 148
Year: 1928
Month: Feb
Day: 4
Grooms_Surname: LEE
Grooms_Forenames: Albert
Grooms_Age: 26
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Miner
Grooms_Residence: Farmington
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: LEE
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: James
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Carter
Brides_Surname: ROBERTS
Brides_Forenames: Ida Mabel
Brides_Age: 23
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Drybrook
Brides_Fathers_Surname: ROBERTS
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Samuel Paul
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Miner
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both Sign
Witness_1: Daisy Roberts
Witness_2: Cecil Albert Roberts
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: F M Williams Rector of Mitcheldean
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes: Grooms father is deceased
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/21
Page_Number: 74
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook
Soundex_Groom: L000
Soundex_Bride: R163

Also from GlosBMD:

Marriage DetailsGroom Surname Groom Forename Bride Surname Bride Forename District Parish Building Year Register Entry
LEE Albert ROBERTS Ida Mabel Forest of Dean Drybrook Holy Trinity 1928 6 148

So confirming it was at Holy Trinity Church, aka the important "Forest Church", on what was then called Harry, now Harrow Hill.
This site has three "photos" of the Church, note the first is from an old book available to read on this site.
http://www.forest-of-dean.net/gallery/churches/pages/page_21.html

I cannot find any local Baptism records for Albert & Ida's children on any free site. Did they leave the area ?. Searching UK wide on FreeBMD gives this possible firstborn son, is "Bourne" aka Bourneville in Birmingham relevant I wonder, Robin ?.

Surname First name(s) Mother District Vol Page
Births Jun 1928
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Lee Albert Roberts Birmingham N. 6d 797

[UPDATE: Oops sorry Robin, it's "Bourton" not Bourne isn't it, so the above is clearly irrelevant, ah well. I guess that means you're maybe still in the Cotwolds area not Birmingham, rather a different "model village"!, sorry].

So searching FreeBMD in North Glos gives these more likely births:

Surname First name(s) Mother District
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Births Dec 1929
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Lee Nancy M Roberts Northleach
(GlosBMD confirms this is Nancy MARY Lee)

Giving from GlosBMD;

Groom Surname Groom Forename Bride Surname Bride Forename District Parish Building Year Register Entry
AYRES Robert W C LEE Nancy M North Cotswolds Lower Slaughter St Mary 1956 1 210

Hence;

Child Surname Child Forename Father Surname Mother Surname Mother's Former Name Year District Office Register Entry
AYRES Robin G AYRES AYRES LEE 1958 Cheltenham Cheltenham, Cheltenham North 4A 43

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Births Dec 1932
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Lee William T Roberts Dursley

Giving;

Groom Surname Groom Forename Bride Surname Bride Forename District Parish Building Year Register Entry
LEE William T DAY Barbara D Stroud Dursley St James 1954 C13/4 180

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Searching this FoD site's PRs for Albert & Ida's marriage witnesses(Roberts=family?) I see Cecil is apparently Ida's brother:

Record_ID: 104268
Entry_Number: 54
Year: 1935
Month: Apr
Day: 6
Grooms_Surname: ROBERTS
Grooms_Forenames: Cecil Albert
Grooms_Age: 27
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Collier
Grooms_Residence: The Hawthorns
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Roberts
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: Samuel Paul
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Miner deceased
Brides_Surname: ROBERTS
Brides_Forenames: Kathleen Freda
Brides_Age: 21
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Drybrook
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Roberts
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Richard George
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Miner
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both sign
Witness_1: Richard G Roberts
Witness_2: Leslie James Rudge
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: George R Newman Vicar
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P109 IN1/22
Page_Number: 27
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook
Soundex_Groom: R163
Soundex_Bride: R163

From GlosBMD site,
Marriage Details
Groom Surname Groom Forename Bride Surname Bride Forename District Parish Building Year Register Entry
ROBERTS Cecil Albert ROBERTS Kathleen Freda Forest of Dean Drybrook Holy Trinity 1935 7 54

Free Ancestry search page shows an Ida Mabel Lee in Glos passing away 1983.

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We see that Ida & Cecil's father Samuel Paul Roberts is "deceased" by 1935. From this site's PRs;

Record_ID: 250002
Entry_Number: 1511
Year: 1932
Month: Jan
Day: 23
Surname: ROBERTS
Forenames: Samuel Paul
Residence: Hawthorns
Age_at_death: 68 years
Officiating_Minister: George R Newman Vicar
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/14
Page_No: 189
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook
Soundex: R163

Record_ID: 1005310
Entry_Number: 319
Year: 1971
Month: May
Day: 6
Surname: ROBERTS
Forenames: Cecil Albert
Residence: High St Drybrook
Age_at_death: 63
Officiating_Minister: H G E Hiscox
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/31
Page_No: 40
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook
Soundex: R163

Ida's other marriage witness could have been?:

Record_ID: 1008375
Entry_Number: 412
Year: 1940
Month: Apr
Day: 10
Surname: ROBERTS
Forenames: Daisy May
Residence: Morse Road Drybrook
Age_at_death: 42
Officiating_Minister: A G Partridge
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes: Date of burial a guess
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/38
Page_No: 52
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook
Soundex: R163

Which fit's the Baptism above.

Or from GlosBMD could be this (different?) Daisy Roberts ?
Marriage Details
Number of entries matching criteria entered: 1

Groom Surname Groom Forename Bride Surname Bride Forename District Parish Building Year Register Entry
RUDGE Harold Thomas ROBERTS Gwendoline Daisy Ruth Forest of Dean Drybrook Holy Trinity 1944 8 30
(NB this Daisy marries a Rudge, as was Cecil's witness above, so..?).

That said, please note the Moses Roberts whose will is mentioned is not the same one as MPG posted above in your line, there were several all in Drybrook or the immediate area such as Ruardean, Ruardean Hill, Harry (now called Harrow) Hill and so on.
Happy Hunting !

http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=32513

ps please check your inbox for some hopefully interesting info re old photos.
Jeff

Baptism: Forest of Dean Bible Christian

2 March 1905

Ida Mabel ROBERTS,

parents Samuel Paul and Annie

Residence: East Dean, Gloster

occupation: Collier

Baptism in Drybrook Chapel

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1911 Census, Drybrook
The Peke, Harry Hill

living in 4 rooms

all born Drybrook

married 14 years, 7 children born alive, 5 living, 2 dead

ROBERTS - Paul 47 - Collier Hewer (earlier census - Paul is a twin)
Annie - 39
Frank - 14
Damaris - 12
Howard - 1
Mable - 6
Cicel - 3

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1901 Census, Ross Road - Hawthorns

ROBERTS

George - 73 - Gardner, born Glos. Drybrook
Caroline - 70 - born Somerset, Long Sutton
Edith - grand-daughter - 15 - born Glos Drybrook
next door

Paul - 37 - Coalminer, born Glos. Drybrook
Annie - 28 - born Hereford, Lea
Francis - 4 born Glos. East Dean
Fanny M - 2

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FOD records

Marriage at Drybrook - 25 May 1896

Samuel Paul ROBERTS - age 29, Bachelor, coal miner, residence : Drybrook

father: George ROBERTS, Coal miner

married

Annie CLOSE - 24, Spinster, residence : Drybrook

father: William CLOSE, Labourer, deceased

Licence or Banns: Supt Registrars

witnesses: Isaac CLOSE + Fanny WINTLE

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1891 Census, Hawthorns

George ROBERTS - 63, Coal Miner, all born East Dean
Caroline - 60
Paul - 28 - Coal Miner
Sarah A CINDERBY/CINDERLY - daughter - 24
Absolom ROBERTS - 26
Elizabeth ROBERTS - 16
Thomas CINDERBY - son-in-law - 27
Edith CINDERBY - 5
Florence CINDERBY - 3
Maude CINDERBY - 1
William CINDERBY - 13

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1881 Census, Hawthorns

ROBERTS

George - 51 - born East Dean
Caroline - 50 - born Long Sutton, Somerset
George - 30
Henry - 23
Frederick - 20
Paul and John age 17 (twins)
Absolom - 15
Sarah Ann - 13
Mary Jane - 11
Martha - 9
Elizabeth - 7

(looking at Gloucesteshirebdm ROBERTS births - with the mother's maiden name is DOWNTON) ***

Elizabeth - 1874
George - 1850
Male - 1859
Male - 1854
Mary Jane - 1869
Moses ROBERTS - 1852 - checking FOD records, baptism at Drybrook Chapel, 15 July 1852, parents George & Caroline)
Thomas - 1873

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previous thread on DOWNTON, Long Sutton, Somerset

http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=13671

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1871 Census, Drybrook

ROBERTS

George - 48
Caroline - 40
George - 21
Moses - 18
Joseph - 16
Henry - 13
Frederick - 9
Paul - 8
John - 8
Absolom - 6
Sarah A - 4
Mary J - 2

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1861 Census, East Dean
Haseley Hill No. 16

ROBERTS

George - 32 - born Glos. East Dean
Caroline - 28 - born Somerset, Long Sutton
George - 11
Moses - 8
Henry - 4
Frederick - 4 months

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1851 Census, East Dean, Dryrbook

ROBERTS

George - 23 - Coalminer, born Dean Forest Glos
Caroline - 20 - born Long Sutton, Somerset
George - 1 - born East Dean

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FOD records - Marriage at Drybrook 27 April 1850

George ROBERTS, age 22, Bachelor, Collier, residence: Drybrook

father: Giles ROBERTS, Collier

married

Caroline DOUGHTON, age 20, Spinster,

father: Samuel DOUGHTON - Labourer (see thread link)

witnesses: Charles and Mary Ann ROBERTS

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1841 Census, Dean Forest, Drybrook

ROBERTS

Giles - 39 - all born in County
Elizabeth - 45
Rebecca - 19
George - 13
Joseph - 11

on the 1851 Census, Drybrook

ROBERTS

Giles - 49 - Stone Quarryman - born Dean Forest Glos
Elizabeth - 50 - born Farmington, Herefordshire
Joseph - 21 - born Dean Forest

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FOD records

Baptism: parents Giles & Elizabeth ROBERTS

Dryrbook

1820 - Elvina - (Mother's Surname - LEWIS*** - residence, Drybrook, Collier, Parish Chapel, Walford)
1822 - Rebecca
1825 - Maria
1827 - George
1830 - Joseph
1833 - Moses

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This confirms the following marriage in 1821 at Newland

18 July 1821

Giles ROBERTS, Bachelor, residence: Hundred of St Briavels

married

Elizabeth LEWIS, Spinster, Hundred of St Briavels

by banns

witnesses: Thomas & Mary LEWIS

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FOD records

Elvina ROBERTS, buried at Drybrook - 21 May 1837 age 17

Robin