Forest of Dean FHT Forum - Mary A Franklin

Mary A Franklin (reply)

gillyflower — Sun, 27 Jan 2013 22:41:25 +0000

My grandmother was a Franklin from Gloucester, but the family originated from Chipping Norton area where there were loads of them & they stick to the same forenames which makes life difficult. Also I don't think they were very good at registering births & I can't find deaths registered which might mean there are some buried in the orchard!
Thanks for your interest.
Gill Carrick (my grandmother called me gillyflower!)

Mary A Franklin (reply)

Roger Griffiths — Sun, 27 Jan 2013 22:17:00 +0000

My grandmothers mother was a Franklin from Wiltshire. I had a look around the websites. It appears that the main concentrations of Franklins are in greater London, Essex, Gloucestershire and Wiltshire. The latter two extending outwards somewhat. No surprise about London although Essex is surprising.

Evidently Gloucestershire is well worthwhile continuing to search. Another website listed most common Franklin first names from the Census's. Don't know how reliable it is, but James 1841 = 6, 1851 = 65, 1861 = 111. One of the 1841 James is mine and I don't think connected to yours.

Good luck with your researches.

Mary A Franklin (reply)

gillyflower — Sun, 27 Jan 2013 17:49:52 +0000

Thank you all for these posts which I am trying to follow. I have the census results and have found in the Blakeney register Mary Ann Powell & Marianne Vergoe both baptised in 1825, but can't find them on the censuses, but am still wotking on it!

Mary A DAVIS ? (reply)

Paul Andrews — Sun, 27 Jan 2013 15:07:06 +0000

If Alice was registered at all and parents weren't married

Following m p griffiths idea. The birth would normally be registered within six weeks. If the birth was at the end of March it may have been registered in the June Quarter. Moving forward one quarter there is this birth.

FreeBMD:

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
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Births Jun 1866 (>99%)
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Davis Alice Gloucester 6a 243

Some children were not baptized as early as they might have been. Moving forward one year there is this baptism.

Record_ID:133668
Entry_Number:731
Year:1826
Month:Apr
Day:16
Parents_Surname:DAVIS
Child_Forenames:Mary Anne
Fathers_Forenames:James
Mothers_Forenames:Elizabeth
Mothers_Surname:
Residence:Tithing of Blakeney
Occupation:Labourer
Officiating_Minister:C P N Wilton Sub Curate
Event:Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference:P50 IN1/1
Page_Number:92
Parish_Chapel:Blakeney

This seems a long shot. To rule it out you may need to get the birth certificate.

Mary A Franklin (reply)

m p griffiths — Sun, 27 Jan 2013 09:13:08 +0000

1911 Census : 16 Sebert Street, Kingsholm

John Elliott LANE

age 44, Cooper, Cooper - born West Bromwich, Staffordshire (married 20 years)

Alice LANE - 45, born Gloucester
Mary Ann FRANKLIN, mother age 86 (c1825) - Widow, born Awre, Blakeney

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1901 Census, Glos. St Nicholas

John E lane - 33 Cooper, born Staffordshire, West Bromwich
Alice LANE - 34, born Gloucestershire, Gloucester
Mary A FRANKLIN - 74, Widow, born Blakeney

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1891 Census, Glos. St Catherine

John E LANE - 23, Cooper, born Gould Green, Staffordshire
Alice LANE - 25, born Gloucester
Mary FRANKLIN, widow - age 65, Laundress, born Forest of Dean

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There are a number of Public Members' Trees on Ancestry - none appear to have found the marriage of James FRANKLIN to Mary A?

Jane BROOKES

Gloucestershirebdm

http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/bmd/

Birth Registration

Jane BROOKES - no father's surname (blank) , but mother's surname BROOKES, 1858, South Hamlet

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Using the Gloucestershirebdm and search for FRANKLIN births with mother's maiden name HAYWARD

the last one is

Amelia FRANKLIN, 1862, Glos. St John the Baptist.

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???

Freebdm:

Death: J/F/M Qtr 1865, Mary FRANKLIN, District: Gloucester.

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Alice FRANKLIN is age 5 on the 1871 census = c1866 - Christened 1 April 1866 St. Aldate

If Alice was registered at all and parents weren't married

Freebdm: March Qtr 1866 - Gloucester

Alice

ALLAWAY Alice F
BAYLIS Alice - mother's former name: RICHARDS
COLE Alice - no father's surname: mother's surname COLE
DOWERS Alice - mother's former name: ROE
FOX Alice M
JEWELL Alice
LEWIS Alice M - mother's former name: GAY
MAJOR Alice B - no father's surname: mother's surname MAJOR
PARROTT Alice - mother's former name PAYNE
PAYNTER Alice L - mother's forename name STURMY

Mary A Franklin b12/5/1825, Blakeney (reply)

gillyflower — Sat, 26 Jan 2013 23:03:15 +0000

Thank you, I have the other details, but not the 'Marianne', but had found a Marianne
VERGOE on your site after I had posted, so you have confirmed that she is the one for me to follow up. The family bible owned by a relation in Swansea gave her as Mary Ann, but it could be the same - I hope so & will let you know.
Thanks again.

Mary A Franklin b12/5/1825, Blakeney (reply)

Paul Andrews — Sat, 26 Jan 2013 22:21:16 +0000

Source: IGI

name: Alice Franklin
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 01 Apr 1866
baptism/christening place: St Aldate, Gloucester, England
birth date:
birthplace:
death date:
name note:
race:
father's name:James Franklin
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name:Marianne Franklin
mother's birthplace:
mother's age:

The above record is not available on Forest of Dean Family History site.

Source: FreeBMD

Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
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Deaths Sep 1879 (99%)
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Franklin James 53 Gloucester 6a 154

1881 England Census

10 India Ho Lane, Gloucester

Mary Franklin - Head - W - 57 - Laundress - Blakeney
Emma Franklin - Daur - Unm - 21 - Laundress - Gloster
Alice Franklin - Daur - Unm - 15 - Scholar - Gloster

1871 England Census

17 St Aldate Sq, Gloucester

James Franklin - Head - Mar - 45 - Furniture Porter - Gloucestershire, Blakeney
Mary A Franklin - Wife - Mar - 46 - Chippen Norton, Oxon
Ann Franklin - Daur - Unm - 18 - Gloucester
James Franklin - Son - Unm - 16 - Porter at Grocers - Gloucester
Alfred Franklin - Son - Unm - 14 - Porter at Grocers - Gloucester
Emma Franklin - Daur - 12 - Scholar - Gloucester
Amelia Franklin - Daur - 9 - Scholar - Gloucester
Alice Franklin - Daur - 5 - Scholar - Gloucester
Jane Brooks - Boarder - 15 - Scholar - Gloucester

1861 England Census

6 St Aldate Sq, Gloucester

James Franklin - Head - Mar - 35 - General Porter - Oxon : Chipping Norton
Ann Franklin - Wife - Mar - 34 - Glos. Churcham
Sarah Franklin - Daur - Un - 13 - out door servant - Gloucester
Edwd Franklin - Son - Un - 11 - Scholar - Gloucester
Ann Franklin - Daur - Un - 9 - Scholar - Gloucester
James Franklin - Son - Un - 7 - Scholar - Gloucester
Alfred Franklin - Son - Un - 4 - Scholar - Gloucester
Jane Brooks - Nurse child - Un - 3 - Gloucester

1851 England Census

Mill Brook Place, Barton St Mary, Gloucestershire

James Franklin - Head - Mar - 25 - Porter in Stage Coaching employment - Oxford, Chipping Norton
Ann Franklin - Wife - Mar - 25 - Gloucester, Churcham
Harriet Franklin - Daur - U - 5 - Gloucester, City
Sarah Franklin - Daur - U - 3 - Gloucester, City
Edward Franklin - Son - U - 1 - Gloucester, City

Source: IGI

name Harriet Franklin
gender Female
baptism/christening date 12 Oct 1845
baptism/christening place St. Mary-de-Lode's Church,Gloucester, Gloucester, England
father's name James Franklin
mother's name Mary Ann Franklin

name Ann Franklin
gender Female
baptism/christening date 04 Apr 1852
baptism/christening place St. Mary-de-Lode's Church,Gloucester, Gloucester, England
father's name James Franklin
mother's name Ann Franklin

name Emma Ellen Franklin
gender Female
baptism/christening date 14 Aug 1859
baptism/christening place St Aldate, Gloucester, England
father's name James Franklin
mother's name Ann Franklin

name Sarah Franklin
gender Female
baptism/christening date 30 May 1847
baptism/christening place St. Mary-de-Lode's Church,Gloucester, Gloucester, England
father's name James Franklin
mother's name Ann Franklin

name James Franklin
genderMale
baptism/christening date 09 Mar 1862
baptism/christening place St Aldate, Gloucester, England
father's name James Franklin
mother's name Ann Franklin

name Amelia Franklin
gender Female
baptism/christening date 09 Mar 1862
baptism/christening place St Aldate, Gloucester, England
father's name James Franklin
mother's name Ann Franklin

Using the advanced search for baptisms in 1825 in Blakeney for Mary Ann the following records are shown:

133614, Mary Ann POWELL
133627, Mary Anne GITTENS
133634, Mary Anne WILLETTS

Searching just for Mary the following are shown:

133615, Mary HAWKINS
325094, Mary GOFF

Mary A FRANKLIN nee ? 12/5/1825 Blakeney

gillyflower — Sat, 26 Jan 2013 20:28:09 +0000

My gg-grandfather James Franklin who lived in Gloucester remarried between 1861 and 1871, presumably after his first wife Ann Hayward, died. I know his second wife was Mary A. ? born on 12th May 1825 (date from a family bible),in Blakeney but have no idea what her surname was. I cannot search your records without her surname and as I live in the Lake District, I can't get to Gloucester archives at least until the summer. A Jane Brooks was living with them as a lodger,(aged 13) but I assume Brooks was not Mary's maiden name as I can't find that either, nor have I found a marriage for a Brooks and a Mary A. so have come to a dead end. is there anybody in Blakeney who would know how to find this Mary A. please?
Gill Carrick, Kendal