Forest of Dean FHT Forum - AARON HALE - confusion

AARON HALE - confusion (reply)

lesleyr — Tue, 23 May 2017 20:02:38 +0000

Hello Karen,
Your posting made me revisit what I had previously thought about the ancestors of my 6g grandfather Moses Hale (1763 - 1855) brother of your Aaron.
Like you, I had their parents as Aaron and Susan. I've rechecked and am now convinced that they were the parents. I was confused because, within a few years, one child was baptised in Ruardean and two in Welsh Bicknor. I posted a question about regulations covering where a child was baptised and the replies confirmed that there could be good reasons why they swapped parishes. So here is my theory:
We know from his baptism in Welsh Bicknor on 23 January 1763 that Moses Hale was the son of Aaron and Susan Hale. There was another baptism in Welsh Bicknor on 10 February 1765 of Aaron, son of Aaron and Susan.
Prior to the baptisms in Welsh Bicknor, there was one in Ruardean of Henry Hale, son of Aaron and Susan, on 29 March 1761. Ruardean and Welsh Bicknor are about 5 miles apart on either side of the River Wye, less if there was a ferry in those days.
Prior to Henry’s baptism there was a marriage on 12 July 1760 in Ruardean of Aaron Hale to Susannah More so circumstantial evidence points to Aaron Hale and Susannah More being the parents of Moses, Henry and Aaron.
I have not found any more children of Aaron and Susan which would indicate that the burial in Ruardean of Aaron Hale on 2 March 1766 was most likely this Aaron; and that of Susan Hale on 25 June the following year being his widow.
So far I have not found a definite baptism for Aaron but if he was about 20 when he married, it would have been around 1740. That's my next job - to look at the advice that you have already been given by Forum members.
Lesley

HALE - (Overseers Report) (reply)

karencoupe123 — Thu, 02 Mar 2017 15:42:44 +0000

thank you very much

HALE - (Overseers Report) (reply)

MPGriffiths — Thu, 02 Mar 2017 12:28:15 +0000

Admin has given the link

Overseers of the Poor Records - Gloucestershire County Council

AARON HALE - confusion (reply)

karencoupe123 — Thu, 02 Mar 2017 10:30:15 +0000

thank you Mike, looks like i need to subscribe to the BNA!

AARON HALE - confusion (reply)

karencoupe123 — Thu, 02 Mar 2017 10:29:00 +0000

thank you, may I ask what an overseers report is please?

HALE - Electoral Register 1847 (reply)

MPGriffiths — Thu, 02 Mar 2017 09:49:27 +0000

Gloucestershire England, Electoral Register

1847

2625 : HALE Aaron - Edenwall Freehold House and Garden

2638 : HALE George - Coleford Lane End: Freehold House & Garden

2639 : HALE Moses JNR. Coleford Lane End : Freehold House and Garden

2643 : HALE Moses Snr. Coleford Lane End : Freehold House and Garden

2647 : HALE Thomas - Coleford Lane End : Freehold House and Garden (self)

AARON HALE - confusion (reply)

MPGriffiths — Thu, 02 Mar 2017 09:07:06 +0000

In Thomas HALE's Will - he would appear to own a few houses

Moses HALE - ... the dwelling house he now resides, Little Patch

Daughter : Sarah EDEY ?

Henry HALE... the dwelling house he now resides

Joseph HALE ...

Ann KNIGHT his daughter gets his house in Newnham

Will witnessed by
John WILCE
Giles BRAIN
John BRAIN

Thomas HALE of Ruardean
married
Margaret BENNETT

30 May 1757 : witnesses : Elizabeth BENNETT and Joseph HARPER

Henry HALE of Guardian
married
Elizabeth BENNETT

3 August 1788

witnesses: Jno EVANS and Joseph HARPER.

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The Will of Aaron HALE the Elder of Ruardean - 1769

Mentions his wife Mary:

witnesses: James BENNETT the Elder
William HATTEN?
Stephen BLANCH

AARON HALE - confusion (reply)

Mike Pinchin — Wed, 01 Mar 2017 22:27:25 +0000

This might be worth following up

BNA Gloucester Journal - Saturday 13 August 1859

Gloucestershire Summer Assizes

HALE v VOICE

…….This was an action for ejectment to obtain possession of a house and garden at West Dean……….. the property in question……….was one of the encroachments which had been made previous to 1787 and as such might be purchased from the Crown for a small sum. Aaron Hale, the grandfather of the plaintiff, so purchased the property of the Crown in 1845 and it was duly conveyed to him. Thomas Hale, the plaintiff, was his grandson and was therefore the heir at law, and was entitled to this property. Mr Powell (for the defendant) contended that the property had been given to the defendant under a deed of gift from Aaron Hale, her father, and she, having had possession for 30 years, could not be dispossessed……………The jury found a verdict for the plaintiff.

The grandson could have been the 1829 Thomas and his grandfather the 1765 Aaron. The defendant, although not named here, might have been Thomas’s aunt. Maybe this one:-

Record_ID 11263
Entry_Number 530
Year 1827
Month Mar
Day 3
Grooms_Surname VOICE
Grooms_Forenames George
Grooms_Age not stated
Groom_Condition Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation not stated
Grooms_Residence Hundred of Saint Briavels
Grooms_Fathers_Surname not stated
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames not stated
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation not stated
Brides_Surname HALE
Brides_Forenames Hannah
Brides_Age not stated
Brides_Condition Spinster
Brides_Occupation not stated
Brides_Residence Hundred of Saint Briavels
Brides_Fathers_Surname not stated
Brides_Fathers_Forenames not stated
Brides_Fathers_Occupation [not stated]
Licence_or_Banns Banns
Date_of_Banns [not stated]
Signature_or_Mark Both mark
Witness_1 Thomas Hawkins
Witness_2 Ann Harris
Other_Witnesses
Officiating_Minister Edward Jones Rector
Event Marriage
Memoranda
Notes
Register_Reference P220 IN 1/7
Page_Number 26
Parish_Chapel Mitcheldean

AARON HALE - confusion (reply)

MPGriffiths — Wed, 01 Mar 2017 18:18:55 +0000

Looking at the Gloucestershire Genealogical Database -

1731 : Aaron HALE - Ruardean - Inventories (had a quick look, is on Ancestry)

1731 : Aaron HALE - Ruardean - Will - occupation Yeoman: (Had a quick look at Will on Ancestry, says he is the Elder, talks about his wife Eliz and sister Mary JAMES

1769: Aaron HALES - Ruardean - Inventories - occupation: Coalminer

1769: Aaron HALE - Ruardean - Wills - Coalminer : (Will on Ancestry, will have a read!)

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1765: Aaron HALE - Littledean - Overseers Report - occupation NAILER

1783 : Aaron HALE - Littledean - Overseers Report - occuapation NAILER

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The Overseers Reports would shed more light on Aaaron the NAILER -

HALE from Littledean - occupation Nailer(s)

Hale from Ruardean - occupation: Yeoman/Coalminer(s)

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Looking at the Gloucestershire Genealogical Database

HALE :occupation NAILER

1740 Thomas HALE - Littledean: (Will)

1765 Aaron HALE - Nailer - Overseers Report

1781 William HALE - Littledean - Overseers Report

1803 Joseph HALE - Sedgley - - Overseers Report

1820 Edward HALE - St Briavels - Gaol

1821 Samuel HALE - St Briavels - Will

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1841 census
Dean Forest

HALE

Aron - 75 Coalminer
Thomas - 47
Ann - 35
Thomas - 12
Elizabeth - 11
Henry - 5
George - 4
Mary - 1

next door

Thomas HALE - 25
Dianne HALE -25

etc.

---The Will of Thomas HALE - of Ruardean, 1809 is very clear to read on Ancestry - he talks about

Sons: Moses/Thomas/Henry/Joseph/Aaron - daughters Sarah and Ann (KNIGHT). ** Fod records, married by Licence at Walford : 25 February 1806

Leaves lots of houses and money and tells his son Moses to leave money to Thomas HALE son of Henry HALE.

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Baptism at Guardian

HALE

Thomas & Margaret/Margett/Margett

Elizabeth - 1757
Henry - 1759
Sarah - 1763
Ann - 1765
Mary - 1767
Joseph - 1769
Thomas - 1772
Aaron - 1775
Moses - 1777

AARON HALE - confusion (reply)

probinson — Wed, 01 Mar 2017 18:04:53 +0000

Aaron appears to have married Elizabeth Evans at Newland, not Littledean so the Aaron born in Welsh Bicknor would seem to be the logical one but not absolute proof.

There's a Aaron Hale that married Ann Balding in Littledean in 1787 which would look like a match for the other Aaron.

AARON HALE - confusion

karencoupe123 — Wed, 01 Mar 2017 15:16:58 +0000

Hello,
I am very confused with regard to the Hales in my tree.
Id like to start with my Great Great Grandmother Mary Hale b)1839, baptised 1840 Christchurch, abode Lane End, Coleford.
Siblings of Mary,
Caroline b) 1825
Thomas b)1829, baptised 1840 Christchurch age 11, abode Lane End, Coleford.
Elizabeth b) 1831, baptised 1840 Christchurch age 9, abode Lane End, Coleford.
Henry b) 1835, baptised 1840 Christchurch age 5, abode Lane End, Coleford.
George b) 1838, baptised 1840 Christchurch age 3, abode Lane End, Coleford.
PARENTS of the above being THOMAS HALE and ANN BROWN.
THOMAS married ANN BROWN 1824 Newland.
THOMAS was born 1793/4 Newland (my 3 x great grandfather)
Siblings of Thomas
Susan b) 1786
Henry b) 1789
Jane b) 1792
Molly b) 1796
William b)1799
Hannah b) 1801
Nancy b) 1803
Aaron b) 1805
PARENTS of the above being AARON HALE (b1765) and ELIZABETH EVANS.
AARON (b1765) married ELIZABETH EVANS 1786 Littledean.
This Aaron being my 4 x great grandfather.

This is where i get confused – I have my Aaron b)1765 and baptised Welsh Bricknor, parents being Aaron and Susannah More/Moor however there is another Aaron Hale born 1765 in Littledean his parents being Aaron and Ann Trigge. After years of having Aaron and Susannah as parents of my 4 x great grandfather im now having doubts. Could someone kindly tell me who are the correct parents of AARON HALE born 1765 and which of the two born that year are the right one for my tree?
appreciate any help, thank you in advance.
Karen