The second Partridge family is mine. John was indeed a carpenter, born Monmouth. His son, William, emigrated to Australia in the 1850s; also daughter Lucy later on (when married to Roseblade)

John moved around England, presumably as a journeyman, as shown by his children's births/baptisms.

Anyone with interests in this family or who finds links to them, I'd be very happy to hear from you

Pauleen

Info from Paar -

(My paraphrasing)..Tramways and railways arose from the need to transport goods in and out of the FoD. The Wye and Severn were already major thoroughfares and several railway companies were set up from 1809 to 1815, notably the Severn and Wye Railway and Canal Company (S & W). The first general meeting was held in Ross in June 1809 and a committee of management was set up - the committee referred to. The railway was to run between Lydbrook on the Wye, near Bishopswood, due south to Lydney on the Severn, with various tramroad offshoots to industrial sites.

Sheasby is Thomas Sheasby, a coal merchant from Swansea who was appointed by the committee in 1811 as manager, secretary, engineer and superintendent of works.

"The company soon decided upon a mile-long extension to Bishopswood, falling on reasonable gradients to the riverside, thus avoiding Lydbrook incline and serving Bishopswood ironworks. This was authorised by the Act of 1810, but in August the committee advised against it, finding 'no inducement'…Shortage of money for the extension, and the fact that Lydbrook was a well-established shipping place, compelled the building of the Lydbrook incline, although a 'horse road' was considered as an alternative.…...
In July 1812 barge owners from the Hereford trade urged completion of the ‘road to Bishopswood” but it was not until March 1814 that Sheasby acted accordingly.....

"There were many signs that traffic to the Wye was not flourishing. …. In 1820 the company was requested to raise and repair the tramroad where it crossed the turnpike near Bishopswood, which suggests that Bishopswood Wharf was little used, and in 1821 John Partridge, building a road to his new Bishopswood house, had the rails taken up near his gate and others substituted, 'better calculated for the road', without permission. The committee was unconcerned and only rebuked Partridge in 1823, after a row between his steward, Pewtner, and Sheasby. Clearly the tramroad to the Cinderhill Wharf was also disused, or nearly so.
In 1828 Partridge proposed that the tramroad to Cinderhill Wharf be removed and the tramroad turning off near Pewtner's garden to James Ward's house become the S & W line, Partridge allocating ground for a public wharf there. The company agreed without prejudice to its right to a wharf at Bishopswood.."

Info from Hart:

"On 23 October 1834, the Lydbrook Tinplate Works were put up for sale, the Particulars reading:

"The Extensive Iron and Tin Plate Works, freehold property for investment, singularly eligible for advantageous and safe investment, capable of making about 300 boxes of Tin Plates per week with one set of workmen only, and the produce may be doubled by employing a sufficient number of hands. They have been recently improved, and a considerable portion placed on an entirely new construction close to a capital rail road.
The great improvements in the making of iron lately introduced to the Forest of Dean will, it is hoped, in the event of their being satisfactorily brought to bear, add much by reducing the price of raw material, to the advantages which these works already possess, and under which they have carried out so beneficially for so many years past.
The property comprises: Steam Engine, Rolling Mills, Forges, Tin Houses, Blacksmiths' and Carpenters' Shops, with the Agent's House, Workmen's Cottages, Gardens, Stables and Warehouses, with the machinery belonging to the works, and the workmen's tools now in use, and castings, and the 27 acres of land held therewith, as the same are all now in the possession of Messrs Pearce & Allaway, as tenants thereof under a lease for the term of 14 years from 1 January 1823, at the yearly rent of £580.

"The proprietor was John Partridge, and viewing was to be done through 'Mr Pewtner of Bishopswood'.

"Whatever the result of the auction, the tenants in the period 1847 to 1849 were still Pearce & Allaway. William Allaway was in charge, assisted by his sons William and Stephen. By 1850 the name had changed to 'Allaways, Partridge & Co'..."

Joss

Yes I think you are right - I must look into this some time, but a big subject so not right now. This FH business is so time consuming, with so many fascinating byways. BTW someone sent me this morning a picture of the grave of bricklaying Esaias Pewtner which I hadn't looked for as my mother told me it had gone, so I'm a happy bunny!

Cheers

Joss

Inspired by your efforts I've been checking censuses and googling and have found the following -

Info from British History Online - ... forges at Lydbrook were ...operated .. from 1763 Richard Reynolds of Bristol and John Partridge (d. 1791) of Ross-on-Wye (Herefs.) The partnership was presumably the Bristol company which shortly before 1769 built a forge near Lydbrook ... Partridge's son John worked Upper, Middle, and Lower forges in the late 1780s, when his partners included James Harford of Bristol.

Also found in article The Follies of Gloucestershire - At Ruardean the Bishop's Wood valley is bisected by the Hereford / Gloucestershire border. ... the house here was built for John Partridge by Sir Jeffry Wyattville in 1820, in the Gothick style, and burnt down in 1873. The most tangible relic is, amazingly, a splendidly preserved folly tower...

And ref on Historic Hertfordshire to New Weir Ironworks, Symonds Yat, Whitchurch ...Geo White died 1720, son took lease till 1753, lease for 14 yrs to John Partridge 'wear, lock, forge, fishing, dwelling house, slitting mill, storehouses at 270 pa' & inventory.

Also various refs to Harford and Partridge being involved in the emergent iron industry in South Wales eg at Nantyglo. In fact I suspect from the existence of a Bailey Partridge that the Partridges married into the notorious Bailey family of iron masters.

Now onto the censuses -

Yes in 1841 living next door to Esaias John Partridg (sic) abt 1795 Ruardean Gloucestershire Ind. with wife Eliza and numerous servants.

Given the servants I thought the carpenter was a bit improbable and found

1851 John Partridge Spouse: Eliza
Birth: abt 1795 - Goodrich, Herefordshire, England
Residence: 1851 - Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England
Bishopwood Now Deputy Lieutenant and JP, plus servants

1861 John Partridge Spouse: Eliza
Birth: abt 1795 - Goodridge, Herefordshire, England
Residence: 1861 - Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England
Bishopwood Mansion, now a Magistrate, plus servants

1871 John Partridge Spouse: Eliza
Birth: abt 1795 - Gobdnich House, Herefordshire, England
Bishopwood Mansion, no occupation b Goodrich House Herefordshire. Plus servants. Also has 3 grandchildren, though no trace of children before - assume at boarding school

The Whitchurch and Bristol connections are interesting and hint that Esaias might have known these people before and moved to FoD to work for them. But karma takes over and within a couple of generations of hanging out with capitalists the Pewtners were laying bricks in Newport!

Joss

TTFN

Joss

next door to

John Partridg abt 1795 Ruardean Gloucestershire Ind.
Eliza Partridge abt 1795 Ruardean Gloucestershire

who by 1851 is a Carpenter (feels wrong?) in Newland St Coleford :-

John Partridge abt 1799 Monmouthshire, Wales Head Newland Gloucestershire
Eliza Partridge abt 1801 Westmancote, Middlesex, England Wife Newland Gloucestershire
Eliza Partridge abt 1837 St Pancras, Middlesex, England Daughter Newland Gloucestershire
John Partridge abt 1830 Stillingfleet, Yorkshire, England Son Newland Gloucestershire
Lucy Partridge abt 1843 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Newland Gloucestershire
Willis Partridge abt 1835 Westminster, Middlesex, England Son Newland Gloucestershire

I've been here before researching Pewtner family but now have more infomation and more questions. A fellow researcher put me on to Google Books where I have found the following references:
1 A History of Railways in the FoD by Harold William Paar 1963 - p58 "The committee was unconcerned and only rebuked Partridge in 1823 after a row between his steward Pewtner and Sheasby"
2 The Industrial History of Dean by Cyril E Hart 1971 - "The proprietor was John Partridge and viewing was to be done through Mr Pewtner of Bishop wood".
Now, I already know that my Gx4 grandfather Esaias Pewtner (baptised in Bristol 8 May 1773 and arrived in FoD via Whitchurch around 1814 and died 1842 Bishopwood) was a Clerk to Mr Partidge, so that's him. But does anyone know what this John Partridge did or what is being referred to in these extracts? What was the "row" about? What was being viewed?
I will try to get the books on interlibrary loan, but in the meantime I wondered if anyone here had copies and could look it up for me? Or any other expert knowledge on the subject would be welcome.

Thanks

Joss