Forest of Dean FHT Forum - Thomas RUDGE married Susan MACKLIN

Thomas RUDGE married Susan MACKLIN (reply)

Steve R — Thu, 01 Sep 2011 20:13:57 +0000

This gets puzzling!
I've traced my ancestry back to William Rudge who married Mary Merrick in Marstow, a little village in south Herefordshire, on 26th October 1819. The Marstow Parish Register in Hereford CRO, says he is "of Goodrich" and goes on to record the children's baptisms: George in November 1819 (a short pregnancy!); William in 1824; Edward (my Gr Gr G/F)in 1827; Helen in 1829, Eliza in 1832; John in 1834.
1841 Census shows William to be a Blacksmith in Whitchurch, the next parish to Marstow, although 14 year old Edward is still in Marstow. Edward goes on to operate as a Blacksmith in Marstow and one of his sons, Albert, my Gr G/F followed in that trade and remained as the Marstow blacksmith until the Great War.
But the Marstow Parish Register also records the marriage on December 17, 1842 of Thomas Rudge, a sawyer, son of James Rudge to Susan Macklin, daughter of Thomas Macklin also a sawyer.
So I've wondered who were Thomas and James? They make no other appearance in Marstow Parish Records and weren't in Marstow in the 1841 Census.
In fact, there's no trace of William's baptism in Goodrich, but there was a William Rudge born in English Bicknor (just across the River Wye from Goodrich) in 1792. He had a brother called James, born 1794.
The 1841 Census for Whitchurch records that William was not born in Herefordshire so if this is 'my' William Rudge, it fits. English Bicknor is in Gloucestershire.
So my speculation is that somehow William's brother James, and his son Thomas, developed a link to Marstow through William, and Thomas got married there.
But none of that fits in with what you say. But Stroud is a long way from Marstow.
Perhaps we're talking about different Macklins and Rudges?
What do you think?

Thomas RUDGE married Susan MACKLIN (reply)

unknown — Wed, 31 Aug 2011 15:03:51 +0000

Hi I am from the line of william macklin the brother of thomas I believe that thomas married mary rudge born 6th july 1824, she was the sister of thomas who married susan and marie. the marriage was 1846 stroud 11 570 cathy

Thomas RUDGE married Susan MACKLIN (reply)

Steve R — Wed, 31 Aug 2011 10:43:51 +0000

Last Oct. when I first took up family history, I googled 'Rudge Marstow' and it threw up an exchange on 'Rootschat' from 2005. 'Gary B' of Pittsburgh Pennsylvania had said his GrGrG/F Thomas Rudge married Susan Macklin 17 Dec 1842 at Marstow and after Susan's death he married her sister Maria. Thomas died 27 April 1858 at West Dean. There was a response from 'Shanpage'which said that Susan and Maria Macklin were the only two daughters of his GrGrGrG/F Thomas Macklin. Thomas' three sons headed off to Australia and he was descended from the eldest son.
I left a message to see if they are still interested, but have had no response.
Marstow Parish Register on the marriage in 1842 says that Thomas, a sawyer, is the son of James Rudge, a Labourer. I think James may be my GrGrGrG/F's brother.

Thomas RUDGE married Susan MACKLIN (reply)

unknown — Fri, 01 Jul 2011 11:01:51 +0000

thanks everyone will follow the info i've been given cathy

Thomas RUDGE married Susan MACKLIN (reply)

J Thorne — Thu, 30 Jun 2011 08:19:55 +0000

Hi Thomas Rudge and Maria Macklin are my partner's Great x3 Grandparents their child Mary Maria Rudge born 1857 married Shadrach Tippins in 1875.

MACKNILL? (James McNEILL/McNEAL) (reply)

m p griffiths — Thu, 30 Jun 2011 06:45:47 +0000

Two MACKLIN death's in Cheltenham St Mary

Mary MACKLIN - 2 October 1826 age 44 and
William MACKLIN - 3 October 1827 age 60

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Looking at the Gloucestershire Baptism CD - Susan - 19 February 1820

The surname has been transcribed as MACKNILL? (with a question mark)

There are also children of a James MACKNILL/MACNEAL/MACNEIL/MACNIEL/MANICLE (mariner/waterman) - and Jane at Lydney around the same time

possible link? inc

1841 census Newland: Mary MACKLIN - age 30 - F/S - not born in County/tick in Foreign Parts

FOD record

Marriage at Newland - 24 September 1817

James MCNEILL - Bachelor, Hundred of St Briavels
married
Jane PETERS - Spinster, Hundred of St Briavels

by Banns

witnesses: John PETERS (William WARD)

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1841 Census, Lydney

Nafs House

James McNEAL - age 40 - (tick in born foreign parts, i.e. Ireland, Scotland)
Jane - 40 - all born in County
John - 20
Jane - 15
John PETERS - 80 - Indep

1851 Census, Lydney

James McNEAL - 50 - Tide Waiter Customs? - born Scotland
Jane McNEAL - 50 - all born Lydney (Jane McNEIL - burial Lydney - 26 November 1854, age 57)
Jane WHITTINGTON - daughter - widow - age 26
Jessy McNEAL - Grand-daughter - age 6
Fanny WHITTINGTON - 3
Sam WHITTINGTON - 1

1861 Census, Glos. Lydney
7 Cookson Terrace

James McNEAL - 60 - Master Mariner MS - Scotland
Eliza McNEAL - wife - 54 - born Awre
Eliza Mary DOOGOOD - Niece - 21 Milliner, born Cheltenham
Charlotte DOOGOOD - Niece - age 17 - born Lydney

John DOOGOOD married Harriett HOWELL - 1839 St Nicholas Glos.

Susan MACKLIN 1820 Lydney / Whitecliff (reply)

slowhands — Thu, 30 Jun 2011 06:36:08 +0000

1841 Whitecliff
Hester Macklin abt 1801 Gloucestershire, England Newland, Gloucestershire
Thomas Macklin abt 1822 Gloucestershire, England Newland, Gloucestershire
William Mackler abt 1826 Gloucestershire, England Newland, Gloucestershire
John Mackler abt 1831 Gloucestershire, England Newland, Gloucestershire
Masea Mackler abt 1831 Gloucestershire, England Newland, Gloucestershire

Year: 1831
Month: Jul
Day: 23
Surname: MACKLIN
Forenames: Thomas
Residence: Whitecliff
Age_at_death: 53 Y[ea]rs
Officiating_Minister: H Douglas Vicar
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P227 IN 1/16
Page_No: 164
Parish_Chapel: Newland

Year: 1820
Month: Mar
Day: 19
Parents_Surname: MACKREL
Child_Forenames: Susan
Fathers_Forenames: Tho[ma]s
Mothers_Forenames: Hester
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Lidney
Occupation: Labourer
Officiating_Minister: Wm. Jones
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: D[aughte]r of
Notes:
Register_Reference: PFC 209 IN 1/3
Page_Number: 43
Parish_Chapel: Lydney

Year: 1819
Month: May
Day: 31
Grooms_Surname: MACKLIN
Grooms_Forenames: Thomas
Grooms_Age:
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation:
Grooms_Residence: Newland
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:
Brides_Surname: COBAN
Brides_Forenames: Hester
Brides_Age:
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Newland
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both mark
Witness_1: Maria Couban
Witness_2: W[illia]m Ward
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: S.F.Morgan Curate
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes: The brides surname may be the same as the first witness COUBAN the Curate may have spelt it wrong based on phonetics
Register_Reference: P227 IN 1/11
Page_Number: 83
Parish_Chapel: Newland

Year: 1795
Month: Jul
Day: 5
Parents_Surname: COBERN
Child_Forenames: Esther
Fathers_Forenames: Tho[ma]s
Mothers_Forenames: Eliz[abe]th
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Redbrook
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister:
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P227 IN 1/4
Page_Number: 836
Parish_Chapel: Newland

Thomas RUDGE married Susan MACKLIN (reply)

unknown — Thu, 30 Jun 2011 05:54:41 +0000

yes I am still trying to sort out this family is it correct maria died 1904, do you have any info on where the macklins came from?? cathy

Thomas RUDGE married Susan MACKLIN (reply)

kimru — Fri, 12 Jun 2009 09:35:13 +0000

Yes. I am a direct descendant from Thomas & Maria. Susan died. Maria lived a long life. I'd be happy to trade information. Also, I know quite a bit about the Macklin family. Are you related?

Don't think I've corresponded with you before. Its been ages, at least couple years,since I put down my genealogy files but have a bit of time now. Hope you haven't given up on this family!

Thomas RUDGE and Susan (nee MACKLIN) (reply)

slowhands — Tue, 11 Dec 2007 20:31:53 +0000

1841 Hillersland ????
Elizabeth Rueege abt 1766 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
Sarah Rueege abt 1801 Dean Forest Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Rueege abt 1828 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
Thomas Rueege abt 1821 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire

Year: 1842
Month: Dec
Day: 17
Grooms_Surname: RUDGE
Grooms_Forenames: Thomas
Grooms_Age: 0
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Sawyer
Grooms_Residence: Marstow
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Rudge
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: James
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Labourer
Brides_Surname: MACKLIN
Brides_Forenames: Susan
Brides_Age: 0
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Residence: The Hundred of Saint Briavels
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Macklin
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Thomas
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Sawyer
Licence_or_Banns:
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both Sign
Witness_1: W.M. Rudge
Witness_2: Elizabeth Rudge
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: William Coke Perp[etual] Curate
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: CJ13/2
Page_Number: 3
Parish_Chapel: Marstow

1851
Thomas Rudge abt 1819 English Bignor, Gloucestershire, England Head Stonehouse Gloucestershire
Susan Rudge abt 1821 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Wife Stonehouse Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Rudge abt 1847 Stonehouse, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Stonehouse Gloucestershire
Emma Rudge abt 1844 English Bignor, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Stonehouse Gloucestershire
Fanny Rudge abt 1846 Stonehouse, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Stonehouse Gloucestershire
George Rudge abt 1851 Stonehouse, Gloucestershire, England Son Stonehouse Gloucestershire
Henry Rudge abt 1845 Stonehouse, Gloucestershire, England Son Stonehouse Gloucestershire
Lydia Rudge abt 1849 Stonehouse, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Stonehouse Gloucestershire
Hester Marklin abt 1801 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Mother-in-law Stonehouse Gloucestershire
William Rudge abt 1830 Stonehouse, Gloucestershire, England Brother Stonehouse Gloucestershire

Thomas appears to die in this period 1858 ?

Name: Thomas Rudge
Year of Registration: 1858
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Ross
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Hereford and Worcester
Volume: 6a
Page: 335

Year: 1858
Month: Apr
Day: 30
Surname: RUDGE
Forenames: Thomas
Residence: Hillier's Land Coleford
Age_at_death: 40 years
Officiating_Minister: [not stated]
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death: [not sta
Memoranda: date of death 27 Apr 1858 at Hilliers Land
Notes:
Register_Reference: 7
Page_No: 272214
Parish_Chapel: Coleford Baptist

1861 Hillersland
Maria Rudge abt 1830 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean Gloucestershire Widow
George Rudge abt 1851 Stroud, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Gloucestershire
Lydia Rudge abt 1850 Stroud, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean Gloucestershire
Mary Rudge abt 1857 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean Gloucestershire
Susan Rudge abt 1859 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean Gloucestershire
Thomas Rudge abt 1855 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Gloucestershire

1871
Maria Rudge abt 1830 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean Gloucestershire
Thomas Rudge abt 1855 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Gloucestershire

1881
Maria Rudge abt 1830 Coleford Whiteclif Servant Newland Gloucestershire

1891
Maria Rudge abt 1830 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Head Newland Gloucestershire

1901
Maria Rudge abt 1830 White Cliff, Gloucestershire, England Head Coleford Gloucestershire

Name: Maria Rudge
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1904
Age at Death: 73
Registration district: Monmouth
Inferred County: Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 11

Thomas RUDGE married Susan MACKLIN

davies — Tue, 11 Dec 2007 14:01:24 +0000

thomas rudge married susan macklin b 1820 then maria b1829, does anyone know what happened to them thanks cathy