Forest of Dean FHT Forum - William Vaughan b1848 Blakeney - Forest boy in the Scrubs

William Vaughan b1848 Blakeney - Forest boy in the Scrubs (reply)

Jefff — Sat, 19 Oct 2013 17:59:03 +0000

Well found, that seems to match very well !.

Re your query wrt posting difficulties, I cannot speak for the new forum which may have diferent characteristics. However following my own occasional setbacks with the old forum nowadays I always save my intended post immediately before pressing "submit" (as I'm sure you meant to do). As with all websites with similar data input "forms", occasionally a glitch in "transmission" can cause it to not submit to forum successfully and as you say it's not fun to have to retype all over. Usually I just "copy" the text as if intending to paste it, then press "submit". However, if it's likely to be a long or time-consuming post, perhaps including new research findings, I recommend writing it out first elsewhere eg as a Word document, saving that to your pc, then copy & pasting the text into the forum. Then if the submit fails you can easily re submit from the saved master. OR, submit it in small bites, using the edit button to gradually add text to the original post.
I've never experienced my pc having an apparent timeout on the forum before but it may perhaps be possible with this new forum system.

Hope this helps, and thanks again for the interesting post.

William Vaughan b1848 Blakeney - Forest boy in the Scrubs (reply)

Mike Pinchin — Sat, 19 Oct 2013 17:17:50 +0000

Delving deeper into Ancestry there are four possibles involving a William VAUGHAN:-

14th Oct 1862. Michaelmas Quarter Sessions at Gloucester.
Convicted of larceny. 3 months hard labour.

17th March 1868. Easter Quarter Sessions at Gloucester.
Convicted of larceny. 1 month hard labour.
Previous convictions noted - nil.

19th Oct 1875. Michaelmas Quarter Sessions at Gloucester.
Not Guilty of larceny after a previous conviction.

16th Dec 1876. Winter Gaol Delivery at Worcester.
Convicted of sheep stealing and former conviction of felony.
7 years penal servitude.

Some of these tie up with previous information. However, there are a lot of William VAUGHANs around and this source gives no information on age or residence so it's impossible to say it's the same person.

William Vaughan b1848 Blakeney - Forest boy in the Scrubs (reply)

selbyfamily — Sat, 19 Oct 2013 15:54:36 +0000

This could also be William though birth year is slightly out:

First name: William
Last name: Vaughan
Age: 19
Year of birth: 1849
Occupation: Collier
Date the court session started: 17 Mar 1868
Court: Shire Hall
Area of court: Gloucestershire
Victims: John Hayman
Record source: A Calendar Of Prisoners Tried At The General Quarter Sessions Of The Peace
The National Archives reference: HO140/1
On bail.
Magistrates W A Seys, Esq, Chepstow and E A Noel Esq, Lydney
Date of warrant 12.2.1868
Received into custody 19.3.1868
Stealing 4 tame fowls, the property of John Hayman at Lydney on 10.2.1868
Guilty of larcey, sentence 1 month

William Vaughan b1848 Blakeney - Forest boy in the Scrubs (reply)

selbyfamily — Sat, 19 Oct 2013 15:50:38 +0000

I found the following on findmypast Crimes Prisons and Punishment
seems to tie in with the 1881 Census

First name: William
Last name: Vaughan
Age: 30
Year of birth: 1847
Date the court session started: 02 Jan 1877
Court: Gloucester
Area of court: Gloucestershire
Record source: A Calendar Of Prisoners Tried At The General Quarter Sessions Of The Peace
The National Archives reference: HO140/37
Stealing a lamb, 7 years imprisonment, no mention of Australia.
Date of conviction 7.12.1876

I will post a second conviction separately as I typed the whole thing and when I went to send it it said I had run out of time and I forgot to copy it. How long do you get, or is it my computer?

William Vaughan b1848 Blakeney - Forest boy in the Scrubs (reply)

Jefff — Sat, 19 Oct 2013 11:37:07 +0000

Thanks for confirming what I was thinking - I've searched tinternet extensively for him under various name combinations etc but without any trace at all. This seemed odd seeing as it seems to my admittedly inexperienced eyes that most of not all the convict ships are very well documented on the many and various free access sites "down under". I saw several Wm Vaughans but none so late as this one.
Ditto I tried the Ancestry free search page without luck.

William Vaughan b1848 Blakeney - Forest boy in the Scrubs (reply)

downunder — Sat, 19 Oct 2013 08:20:50 +0000

Transportation to Oz ended in 1868 - On January 9, 1868, Australia's last convict ship, the Hougoumont unloaded the final 269 convicts. So I don't think we got him. :)

Andrew Vaughan b1830 Bream (reply)

Jefff — Fri, 18 Oct 2013 01:38:01 +0000

Hi Helen,
I realise this is a very old post so this is probably old news by now, but here's some more evidence suggesting Andrew was born in 1830. This site has an Inquest held 15th September 1890 at Bream for the death of an "Andrew Vaughan aged 60, collier, witnessed by his son JG Vaughan".

The full Inquest is here
http://forum.forest-of-dean.net/inquests/php/popup.htm?../images/C472.png

I think this is your Andrew, he had this son JG Vaughan as I'm sure you know.

Record_ID: 4377
Entry_Number: 179
Year: 1874
Month: Dec
Day: 13
Parents_Surname: VAUGHAN
Child_Forenames: James George
Fathers_Forenames: Andrew
Mothers_Forenames: Emma
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Breams Meend
Occupation: Miner
Officiating_Minister: J F Gosling
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: Sponsers William Trindle James Vaughan Ann Vaughan
Notes:
Register_Reference: P57 IN 1/4
Page_Number: 23
Parish_Chapel: Bream
Soundex: V250

William Vaughan b1848 Blakeney - Forest boy in the Scrubs (reply)

emmabelle — Thu, 17 Oct 2013 22:35:07 +0000

Many thanks both!

Will be interesting to try and see if he was sent to Australia!

William Vaughan b1848 Blakeney - Forest boy in the Scrubs (reply)

dink999 — Thu, 17 Oct 2013 12:02:24 +0000

Their is a good report (too long to transcribe here) in the Gloucester Journal on Nov 11 1876.

William Vaughan alias "Ruffian" of Blakeney Hill charged with stealing one ewe and a lamb the property of William Jenkins

There is also a report in the Journal on 30 Dec 1876 in which James Nelmes alias "Holly" is charged with intimidating William Jenkins in the case involving sheep stealing and William Vaunghan

William VAUGHAN b1848 Blakeney - Forest boy in the Scrubs (reply)

slowhands — Thu, 17 Oct 2013 06:45:29 +0000

Hi, just wondering if anyone found any information on this conviction and what the crime was? When I looked into it I was advised that there were no records for this prison at that time surviving today.

Gloucestershire archives:-
1875 vaughan william U West Dean Q/Gc6/6 collier 220 Gaol
1876 vaughan william U West Dean Q/Gc6/6 collier 233 Gaol

I suggest the trial was at Worcester and he was sentenced to serve time, possibly later in Australia (?) so in 1881 he is in a Prison in London probably awaiting transfer..

possible :-
Name:William Vaughan

Date of Trial:16 Dec 1876

Trial Year:1876

Location of Trial:Gloucestershire, England

Sentence:Imprisonment 7 years

Sheep stealing and former conviction of felony

William Vaughan b1848 Blakeney - Forest boy in the Scrubs (reply)

emmabelle — Thu, 17 Oct 2013 06:06:05 +0000

Hi, just wondering if anyone found any information on this conviction and what the crime was? When I looked into it I was advised that there were no records for this prison at that time surviving today.

Andrew Vaughan b1828 Blakeney (reply)

unknown — Wed, 08 Oct 2008 04:16:44 +0000

Dave,

Andrew Vaughan was my husband's 3xG Grandfather.

I would be happy to exchange information if you contact me directly.

Helen

Andrew Vaughan b1828 Blakeney (reply)

hawdon — Wed, 08 Oct 2008 02:42:21 +0000

Hi Helen/Bill
I based Andrews age on the Burial details that you already know about. Strangely I can find no Baptism details for him but I can for all his siblings.
Looking at the census's from 1841 to 1881 they all seem to agree on him being born 1831/1832 at Hewelsfield (except 1871 Monmouthshire, I think we can ignore that).
Helen how are you related to Andrew?.

Dave

William Vaughan b1848 Blakeney (reply)

bill pine — Tue, 07 Oct 2008 22:54:03 +0000

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Andrew Vaughan
Male
Event(s):
Birth: About 1828 Of, Bream, Gloucester, England
Christening:
Death: 12 SEP 1890
Burial:

Messages:
Record submitted after 1991 by a member of the LDS Church. No additional information is available. Ancestral File may list the same family and the submitter.
Source Information:
No source information is available.
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BP.

Andrew Vaughan b18430 ish Blakeney (reply)

unknown — Tue, 07 Oct 2008 21:53:36 +0000

Hi Dave,

Andrew Vaughan married Emma Jones 12/06/1853.

Unfortunately, I have been unable to find a baptism record for Andrew Vaughan so I do not have a definate year of birth. His year of birth from various census could be about 1832 but his age at death in 1890, Bream as transcribed on this site was 66 so it could be anywhere between 1824 and 1832.

If you have further evidence please let me know.

Helen

William Vaughan b1848 Blakeney (reply)

hawdon — Tue, 07 Oct 2008 05:07:15 +0000

Hi Helen
I have William Vaughan 1848 in my tree son of William and Elizabeth nee Charles, but I have his Uncle Andrew as 1832. Andrew was my great great grandad.
Who did your Andrew marry?.
Dave

William Vaughan b1848 Blakeney (reply)

unknown — Tue, 07 Oct 2008 02:16:50 +0000

Bill,

Yes, William was the son of William Vaughan and Elizabeth Charles.
I am connected to Andrew Vaughan b1824 who was William's uncle.

Helen

William VAUGHAN b1848 Blakeney (reply)

slowhands — Tue, 07 Oct 2008 00:11:08 +0000

Year: 1848
Month: May
Day: 7
Parents_Surname: VAUGHAN
Child_Forenames: William
Fathers_Forenames: William
Mothers_Forenames: Elizabeth
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Viney Hill
Occupation: Labourer
Officiating_Minister: C. Brookshank
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P50 IN 1/2
Page_Number: 21
Parish_Chapel: Blakeney

1851
William Vaughn 31
Elizabeth Vaughn 31
Emma Vaughn 10
James Vaughn 6
William Vaughn 3
Elizabeth Vaughn 12

1861
William Vaughn 41
Elizabeth Vaughn 41
James Vaughn 19
William Vaughn 13
Elizabeth Vaughn 10
George Vaughn 9
David Vaughn 6
Mary Ann Faughn 4
Charlotte Faughn 2

William Vaughan b1848 Blakeney - Forest boy in the Scrubs (reply)

bill pine — Mon, 06 Oct 2008 23:59:00 +0000

The British National Archives also have two records for Wormwood scrubs which can be ordered online.

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/RdLeaflet.asp?sLeafletID=120&j=1#Section2

A "Separate confinement register" of prisons from 1882-1886 and a "Prisoner working parties" list from 1874 - 1890.

By the way, were his parents William Vaughan & Elizabeth Charles?
BP.

William Vaughan b1848 Blakeney - Forest boy in the Scrubs

unknown — Mon, 06 Oct 2008 21:17:37 +0000

I would be interested if anyone could tell me were I could find more information on the conviction of William Vaughan who is in Wormwood Scrubs
in 1881

William Vaughan Age: 35 Convict born: Forest Dean, Gloucestershire
"Wormwood Scrubs" Her Majesty's Convict Prison
Married
Occupation: Collier
Class: RG11; Piece: 64; Folio: 129; Page: 6; Line: ; GSU roll: 1341014.

Thanks