Forest of Dean FHT Forum - Alfred James HOUSE/Hannah Bristow BROWNE

Alfred James HOUSE/Hannah Bristow BROWNE (reply)

m p griffiths — Tue, 03 Jan 2012 14:40:48 +0000

Church of Latter Day Saints

Alfred James HOUSE single birth date 1835 age 25 - father Richard HOUSE

married 2 December 1860

Hannah Bristowe BROWNE single birth date 1837 age 23 father James BROWNE

St Mary Redcliffe Church, Bristol Gloucester

1861 Census, Somerset, Winscombe

Churchill Batch

Sarah LOVELE - Widow - 43, School Mistress - Somerset, Winscombe
Hannah HOUSE - daughter, married, 24, born Somerset Congresbury
James HOUSE - son-in-law, 26, Blacksmith - Somerset, Churchchill

1851 Census, Somerset

Churchill Street

John LOVELL - 33, Ag. Lab. born Chewcompton, Somerset
Sarah LOVELL - 33, born Churchill, Somerset
Hannah BROWN - 14 - daughter-in-law, born, Congresbury

Hannah HOUSE 1837 - Yatton / Clevedon (reply)

slowhands — Tue, 03 Jan 2012 13:52:56 +0000

A possible family for Rose

1871 Yatton
Alfred House 36
Hannah House 34
Oliver J House 6
Henrietta House 5
Millie House 11 Months

1881
Hanna House abt 1837 Congresbury, Somerset, England Head Clevedon, Somerset
Olive J. House abt 1865 Yatton, Somerset, England Son Clevedon, Somerset
Harriet B. House abt 1866 Yatton, Somerset, England Daughter Clevedon, Somerset
Thirsa House abt 1871 Clevedon, Somerset, England Daughter Clevedon, Somerset
Frank House abt 1873 Clevedon, Somerset, England Son Clevedon, Somerset
Edgar House abt 1875 Clevedon, Somerset, England Son Clevedon, Somerset

1891
Oliver J House abt 1865 Yatton, Somerset, England Head Clevedon, Somerset
Susan House abt 1867 Clevedon, Somerset, England Wife Clevedon, Somerset
Winifred House abt 1890 Clevedon, Somerset, England Daughter Clevedon, Somerset
Hannah House abt 1837 Congresbury, Somerset, England Mother Clevedon, Somerset
Frank House abt 1873 Clevedon, Somerset, England Brother Clevedon, Somerset
Alice Alvis abt 1877 Neath, Glamorgan, Wales Visitor Clevedon, Somerset

1901
Oliver J Honse abt 1865 Yatton, Somerset, England Head Clevedon, Somerset
Susan Honse abt 1867 Clevedon, Somerset, England Wife Clevedon, Somerset
Winifred N Honse abt 1890 Clevedon, Somerset, England Daughter Clevedon, Somerset
Hannah B Hons abt 1837 Congresbury, Somerset, England Mother Clevedon, Somerset
Frank Hons abt 1873 Clevedon, Somerset, England Brother Clevedon, Somerset

Annie HOUSE 1896 Bristol / Yatton / Clevedon ? (reply)

slowhands — Tue, 03 Jan 2012 11:59:39 +0000

Contender

Name: Annie House
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1896
Registration district: Bedminster
Inferred County: Somerset
Volume: 5c
Page: 644

Rose HOUSE (reply)

m p griffiths — Tue, 03 Jan 2012 11:57:49 +0000

Not sure of the background of Rose HOUSE as this is her on the 1881 Census, in Yatton, Somerset

Mary NEADS, W - age 48, Schoolmistrees - born in Yatton
Mary A NEADS - daughter age 12
Rose HOUSE- 4 boarder, born Somerset Clevedon

and on the 1891 Rose is still in Yatton, Somerset, age 14, working for a Farmer

1911 Census - R V JONES (reply)

unknown — Tue, 03 Jan 2012 11:47:27 +0000

I suppose it does make sense. If Rose House was born in Clevedon, she would have had her illegitimate daughter Annie back across the river, rather than where she was in service, in Glamorgan. Further, such an un-welcome occurrence would have then taken place away from even that home!! How times have changed - probably for the better - since it's hardly the child's fault. It would be interesting to dig into the Jones family in Glamorgan. I'm wondering if Rose was in service actually in the Jones' Glamorgan household. It would have been the classic indiscretion on the part of a son of that household.

More and more fascinating!

Rog

1911 Census - R V JONES (reply)

m p griffiths — Tue, 03 Jan 2012 10:45:39 +0000

Following on from Slowhands 1911 census

this is the full print out

Robert Vernon Jones
Blistors Farm
Lydney

living in 6 rooms

R V JONES, age 40 maried 20 years Farmer, born Cardiff, Glamorgan
A B JONES - 43, wife assisting in the business, born Coleford
Annie JONES, Niece, 15, single born Bristol, Somerset (note different place of birth from 1901 census)

Annie HOUSE JONES Blistors Farm, Bream (reply)

unknown — Tue, 03 Jan 2012 10:33:00 +0000

Well done slowhands & thank you. My late Uncle Bob, my late mother Mary and Aunt Jennifer making an appearance, at last. I had not noticed that R.V. Jones had married an "older woman", nor that Uncle Bob had a third Christian name, probably John, after his grandfather J.F. Pritchard. The witness, Ida Mary Pritchard, was the youngest of the groom's two sisters.

Keep up the good work!

Rog Dennis

Annie HOUSE JONES 1896 - 1965 Blistors Farm, Bream (reply)

slowhands — Mon, 02 Jan 2012 13:01:37 +0000

Name: Annie House
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1896
Registration district: Bedminster
Inferred County: Somerset
Volume: 5c
Page: 644

1901 Blistors farm
Robert W Jones abt 1870 Cardiff, Glamorgan, Wales Head Newland, Gloucestershire
Annie B Jones abt 1867 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Wife Newland, Gloucestershire
Annie Jones abt 1896 Cardiff, Glamorgan, Wales Niece Newland, Gloucestershire

1901
Enos Watts abt 1857 Warminster, Wiltshire, England Head St Mary, Glamorgan
Elizabeth Watts abt 1857 Broad Blaizdon, Wiltshire, England Wife St Mary, Glamorgan
John T Watts abt 1878 Cardiff, Glamorgan, Wales Son St Mary, Glamorgan
Alice M Watts abt 1882 Cardiff, Glamorgan, Wales Daughter St Mary, Glamorgan
Arthur B Watts abt 1887 Cardiff, Glamorgan, Wales Son St Mary, Glamorgan
Sydney F Watts abt 1889 Cardiff, Glamorgan, Wales Son St Mary, Glamorgan
Annie B Wattsabt 1891 Cardiff, Glamorgan, Wales Daughter St Mary, Glamorgan
Harriett Hornblow abt 1829 Stanton Fitzwarren, Wiltshire, England Mother-in-Law St Mary, Glamorgan
Rose House abt 1877 Clevedon, Somerset, England Servant St Mary, Glamorgan

1911 Bream
JONES R V M 1871 40 Monmouth Monmouthshire
JONES A B F 1869 42 Monmouth Monmouthshire
JONES ANNIE F 1896 15 Monmouth Monmouthshire

Name: Annie H Jones
Name: William B E Pritchard
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1919
Registration district: Monmouth
Inferred County: Monmouthshire
Volume Number: 11a
Page Number: 47

Year: 1919
Month: Oct
Day: 6
Grooms_Surname: PRITCHARD
Grooms_Forenames: William Edward Ernest
Grooms_Age: 32
Groom_Condition: Batchelor
Grooms_Occupation: Builder
Grooms_Residence: Victoria Road Lydney Gloucestershire
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Pritchard
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: John Frederick
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Retired Coal Merchant
Brides_Surname: JONES
Brides_Forenames: Annie House
Brides_Age: 23
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Bliston Bream
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Jones
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Robert Vernon
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Farmer
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both sign
Witness_1: Robert Vernon Jones
Witness_2: Ida Mary Pritchard
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: O M Jackson
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P57 IN 1/9
Page_Number: 42
Parish_Chapel: Bream

Name: Robert V J Pritchard
Mother's Maiden Surname: Jones
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1920
Registration district: Chepstow
Inferred County: Wales
Volume Number: 11a
Page Number: 27

Name: Violet M Pritchard
Mother's Maiden Surname: Jones
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1922
Registration district: Chepstow
Inferred County: Glamorganshire
Volume Number: 11a
Page Number: 24

Name: Jennifer G Pritchard
Mother's Maiden Surname: Jones
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1930
Registration district: Chepstow
Inferred County: Monmouthshire
Volume Number: 11a
Page Number: 18

Name: Annie H Pritchard
Birth Date: abt 1897
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1965
Age at Death: 68
Registration district: Forest of Dean
Inferred County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 7b
Page: 390

1911 Census - James & Rose BARROW (reply)

unknown — Mon, 02 Jan 2012 09:15:13 +0000

Ah - two candidate mothers. Decisions, decisions.

Enjoy the golf & thank you again.

Rog

1911 Census - James & Rose BARROW (reply)

m p griffiths — Mon, 02 Jan 2012 08:44:17 +0000

James BARROW
Firbank Cottage St Juilians
Caerleon Nr Newport
Mon

living in 5 rooms

James BARROW, 30 - married 6 years, 2 children born alive, 2 dead, GWR Singleman, born Whitminster, Gloucester
Rose BARROW, wife - born Clevedon, Somerset
James Edward BARROW, son - 4 - born Newport
Violet May BARROW - 2 - born Llangattock, Mont
Annie FARROW, visitor married - 31 - 5 children born alive, 5 still alive - born Tidenham, Gloucester
Mary FARROW, daughter, age 2, born Alvington
Edgar EVANS, Lodger, 43, Single, Timber Haulier, born Mon. Monmouthshire

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1901 Census, - Glos. Woolastone

Charles William FARROW, 25, Waggoner, born Mon. Monmouthshire
Annie FARROW - 20 - born Tidenham - nee KINGSTON, married J/A/S Qtr 1899, Chepstow, District
William Frederick FARROW, 7 months, born Woolaston

BARROW/HOUSE (reply)

unknown — Mon, 02 Jan 2012 08:37:45 +0000

And a result already! Thank you.

Rog Dennis

BARROW/HOUSE (reply)

m p griffiths — Mon, 02 Jan 2012 08:10:09 +0000

By 1911, on FreeBDM, the mother's maiden name is added - so here are at least 3 offspring

Births: Newport M

mother's maiden name HOUSE

BARROW - all Newport M District

Beatrice A L - J/A/S Qtr 1911

Kate R - O/N/D Qtr 1914

Arthur A - O/N/D Qtr 1918

Think there is a James Edward BARROW age 4 1907 on the 1911 census - Newport, Monmouthshire - needs a search

Annie niece of Robert Vernon JONES Blistors Farm, Bream (reply)

unknown — Mon, 02 Jan 2012 02:19:46 +0000

I was most interested to see SunGreen's upload of Vernon Jones' Shire horse, the more so when the FoD Family History posts were notified to me by Peter Essex - my 3rd Cousin!

The birth dates, locations and marriage for Vernon and his wife, plus her maiden name were unknown to me, so I was delighted to at last add these jigsaw pieces. However, it is time to correct the historical record, over a century having passed!!

The 1901 Census reflects some sensibilities in terming Annie Jones as a niece. She was actually Robert Vernon Jones's illegitimate daughter by Rose House. It was, to my mind, exceedingly unusual that the erring father stepped up to raise his child. What Annie Beatrice Jones's thoughts were are lost to history.

Annie, my maternal grandmother, styled herself as Annie House Jones, which I now assume must have been in later life. I've never seen her wedding certificate, which doubtless vanished to the Dark Continent with Annie H. Pritchard's eldest son, my uncle, who was also Robert Vernon, but a Pritchard, of course. My mother, Violet (never used!) Mary Pritchard was Annie's second child.

My grandmother did eventually meet her real mother, who had married James Barrow. Sadly, the circumstances and timing of that were never imparted to me. If she & James Barrow had descendants, then they're my blood relatives. It would be pleasing to close the loop, though quite what the genealogical terms might be, I've yet to work out!!

Rog Dennis

Robert Vernon JONES 1869-1950 Blistors Farm, Bream (reply)

peteressex — Sat, 31 Dec 2011 09:50:08 +0000

Robert Vernon Jones was a relative of mine - just. He was the father of Annie House Jones who married William Edward Ernest Pritchard on 6 October 1919, the wedding group being depicted at Blistors. John Frederick Pritchard, the bridegroom's father, ran the Lydney Coal Company and was one of the numerous siblings of my great-grandmother Clara Ann who married Henry Sterrey.

Robert Vernon Jones is also said to have been the village butcher at Bream. He was certainly the founder of the Vernon Lodge of the Royal Antediluvian Order of Buffaloes who met at the Cross Keys, Bream.

W E E Pritchard and Annie nee Jones went to live in Oxford Street, Lydney. Annie then ran a guest house on behalf of John Watts at Rosemont, Lydney High Street, now flattened for the glory that is Tesco's.

According to Kelly's Directory for 1879, Blistors was in the hands of one William James, mine agent. On 26 November 1900, there was a marriage at Bream of Samuel Robbins and Elizabeth Emma Hoare, both said - by the parish magazine - to have been of Blistors. A 1976 photo shows Blistors derelict.

I am indebted to Roger Dennis for most of this information. Searching "Blistors" on www.sungreen.co.uk reveals even more.

John Boultbee BROOKS Hinkley, Leics 1846 (reply)

m p griffiths — Fri, 30 Dec 2011 18:10:03 +0000

The Breeder of Finstall Sultan was J B BROOKS Esq. Finstall Park, Bromsgrove

and by googling

John Boultbee BROOKS was born in Hinkley, Leics in 1846. In 1865 he set up a leather goods business in Great Charles Street, Birmingham under the name of JB Brooks & Co. He specialised in horses harnesses, but in 1882, he patented a leather bicycle saddle which became highly popular and successful. The family lived at Finstal Park, Nr Bromsgrove Worcs. The Brooks family interest was sold to Raleigh Cycle Co. in 1958.

Robert Vernon JONES 1869-1950 Blistors Farm, Bream (reply)

slowhands — Fri, 30 Dec 2011 17:51:28 +0000

In this log, is a lovely leaflet, dated 1913 with a picture of a Shire Horse (Finstall Sultan) - the property of Vernon Jones, Blistors, Bream, Glos - Stud fee £2.2s. or Farmer's Unregistered Mares £1 10s. - Groom's Fee 2s 6d. (with a write-up inside the leaflet)

Name: Robert Vernon Jones
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1869
Registration district: Cardiff
Inferred County: Glamorganshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 245

Name: Robert Vernon Jones
Name: Annie Beatrice Harrison
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1889
Registration district: Cardiff
Inferred County: Glamorganshire
Volume Number: 11a
Page Number: 572

1911 Bream
JONES R V M 1871 40 Monmouth Monmouthshire
JONES A B F 1869 42 Monmouth Monmouthshire
JONES ANNIE F 1896 15 Monmouth Monmouthshire

Name: Robert V Jones
Birth Date: abt 1870
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1950
Age at Death: 80
Registration district: Forest of Dean
Inferred County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 7b
Page: 321

Year: 1950
Month: Sep
Day: 12
Surname: JONES
Forenames: Robert Vernon
Residence: The Blistors Bream
Age_at_death: 80
Officiating_Minister: Charles Vernon
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death: Died 8 Sep.
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P57 IN 1/18
Page_No: 126
Parish_Chapel: Bream

Vernon JONES - Blistors, Bream

m p griffiths — Fri, 30 Dec 2011 12:17:53 +0000

http://www.sungreen.co.uk/_bream/Buffs1949.htm

I have just received from my Cousin, my Great Grandad's Work Log, listing many local names around Blakeney, from 1891 'ti; 1903 (by which time his eye sight was failing). e.g. Nov 19 1893, Lent Mr Thos. KIRBY - £2 - Killed Ox for Mr JONES, Two Bridges.

In this log, is a lovely leaflet, dated 1913 with a picture of a Shire Horse (Finstall Sultan) - the property of Vernon Jones, Blistors, Bream, Glos - Stud fee £2.2s. or Farmer's Unregistered Mares £1 10s. - Groom's Fee 2s 6d. (with a write-up inside the leaflet)

I've sent this to Admin, and hopefully this will be added to the FOD records