Forest of Dean FHT Forum - LEADBEATER Family - James 1884 Cinderford -> Pontadawe

LEADBEATER Family - James 1884 Cinderford -> Pontadawe (reply)

Trudy miles — Thu, 10 Jul 2014 08:45:35 +0000

hi my name is Trudy miles, previously leadbeater.I am the Daughter of llewelyn leadbeater. I believe my dads family moved from the Forest of Dean. Some moved to Swansea but my dadllewelyn moved further into the valleys to a place called Treowen, near Newbridge , Monmouthshire (as it was then I believe).I believe his mother and father were James and Ada, who you have listed under the pontadawe area. The family moved there to work in the mines. I see you have 5 children? listed but theres a few missing as she ada had 16!.

Sydney LEADBEATER 1894 - 1941 Cinderford -> Pontadawe (reply)

unknown — Wed, 22 Feb 2012 08:26:42 +0000

There is an overwhelming amount of information on here, it all seems to stop at 1789 with John Leadbeater, not sure where to go from here.

Going forward Sydney Leadbeater had 10 children, 5 boys and 5 girls - I have a lot of info about this family.

My grandfather Harold recalls his grandfather "James Leadbeater 1863 Cinderford" being very well dressed and kind as he always let Harold hold a pocket watch, sometimes he would give him a penny.

That’s probably the oldest snippet of " describing/tale" information i have of the Leadbeater family.

Sydney LEADBEATER 1894 - 1941 Cinderford -> Pontadawe (reply)

BSEDDON — Tue, 21 Feb 2012 17:15:55 +0000

Hi Danny

thanks for your input which I broadly agree with (I have Thomas 1834 rather than 1824 maybe a typo)

As you rightly point out the Thomas/Sarah Smith marriage occurs about 8 years after the births of Thomas' children and so doesn't look right, whoops!

I've had a quick census review....

1841 Thomas 7 at home with parents John & Margreet

1851 No trace of family unit

1861 Thomas 27 single at home with parents

1871 Parents dead, siblings married, Thomas off piste again

1881
LEADBEATER, Thomas Head Married M 46 1835 Coal Miner Mitcheldean
LEADBEATER, Sarah Wife Married F 43 1838 Cinderford
LEADBEATER, Thomas Son Single M 20 1861 Coal Miner
LEADBEATER, James Son Single M 17 1864 Coal Miner
HILL, Isaac Brother In Law Married M 60 1821 Coal Miner Kingswood

So, it looks like Thomas would have got married circa 1861 to a Sarah (Hill maybe), but I still can't find a marriage record anywhere

Regards Brian

Sydney LEADBEATER 1894 - 1941 Cinderford -> Pontadawe (reply)

Danny — Tue, 21 Feb 2012 10:49:52 +0000

Hi Brian & Lead,

A few years ago I had a go at mapping out the leadbeater clan in an attempt to pick a way thro it and also to look for clues on where they originally came from. With so much movement in the 19th C between the northern coalfields and the Forest, it was complicated. However I would offer up the following two bits of info:

1) As you already know, James Leighbeter c.1760 is the only name in the district (in the right place at the right time), so we can do no more for now than assume he is the father of James 1790 - 1837, John 1793 etc. James Leighbeter 1760 married Sarah Steele at English Bicknor on 22 May 1793, ( not Sarah Hicks as I think I found this to be a transcription error). The Steeles were an established Littledean family.

2)Thomas Leadbeater c1824, son of John and Margaret, married a Sarah ... and is the father of James 1864 and Thomas 1861. The suggested marriage of a Thomas Leadbeter and Sarah Smith in 1873 does not tie up with this, unless there is a transcription error. This is on the fringe of my own research and I have not progressed it.

regards ... Danny

Sydney LEADBEATER 1894 - 1941 Cinderford -> Pontadawe (reply)

slowhands — Tue, 21 Feb 2012 08:19:49 +0000

If i am thinking on the correct lines my grandfather tree goes something like this.

Grandfather - Harold James Leadbeater - born in wales 1920-2003
Sydney Leadbeater born 1894 in Cinderford
James Leadbeater born 1863 Cinderford
Thomas Leadbeater abt 1835 Mitcheldean

Not sure if i got that right ?

and then John....

Sydney LEADBEATER 1894 - 1941 Cinderford -> Pontadawe (reply)

unknown — Tue, 21 Feb 2012 08:18:23 +0000

If i am thinking on the correct lines my grandfather tree goes something like this.

Grandfather - Harold James Leadbeater - born in wales 1920-2003
Sydney Leadbeater born 1894 in Cinderford
James Leadbeater born 1863 Cinderford
Thomas Leadbeater abt 1835 Mitcheldean

Not sure if i got that right ?

Sydney LEADBEATER 1894 - 1941 Cinderford -> Pontadawe (reply)

BSEDDON — Mon, 20 Feb 2012 17:57:10 +0000

Hi Lead

I've done quite a bit of research of the FOD Leadbeaters as I believe that James Leadbeater (or Leighbeter!) 1790-1837 was my GGGGrandfather

It's feasible that his parents were James Leighbeter & Sarah Hick (married 22/5/1793 English Bucknor) and that his siblings were

1790 James in Newnham
1793 John in Littledean
1797 Mary "
1801 Thomas "
1802 Ann "
1807 Sarah "
1809 William "

There aren't any other baptism records around at this time so this could be the start of the whole Leadbeater tribe

If you have any specifics to ask then I'll do my best to oblige Brian

John and Margaret LEADBEATER (reply)

slowhands — Mon, 20 Feb 2012 12:35:53 +0000

There is so much information on here thank you very much.

John Ledbetter abt 1789 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean, Gloucestershire

seems to be the earliest record ?

I would like to see photos, but i got a feeling that its going to be very difficult to obtain.

Yes John LEADBEATER circa 1790 is the next branch to resolve

Year: 1822
Month: Apr
Day: 15
Grooms_Surname: LEADBETER
Grooms_Forenames: John
Grooms_Age:
Groom_Condition: [not stated]
Grooms_Occupation:
Grooms_Residence: Hundred of St. Briavals
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:
Brides_Surname: GOUGH
Brides_Forenames: Margaret
Brides_Age:
Brides_Condition: [not stated]
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Hundred of St. Briavals
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: He marks she signs
Witness_1: James Jenkins
Witness_2: Mark of Mary Jenkins
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: Thos K Mallet Rector
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P310 IN 1/9
Page_Number: 13
Parish_Chapel: Staunton

some children

1822 LEADBEATER James John Margaret Abinghall Collier Abenhall
1826 LEADBEATER James John Margaret Abinghall Collier Abenhall
1826 LEADBEATER Eliza John Margaret Abinghall Collier Abenhall
1826 LEADBEATER Eliza John Margaret Abinghall Collier Mitcheldean
1828 LEDBEATER Sarah Ann John Margrett [sic] Abinghall Collier Abenhall
1831 LEADBEATER John John Margaret Mitcheldean Congregational

Sydney LEADBEATER 1894 - 1941 Cinderford -> Pontadawe (reply)

unknown — Mon, 20 Feb 2012 11:51:32 +0000

There is so much information on here thank you very much.

John Ledbetter abt 1789 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean, Gloucestershire

seems to be the earliest record ?

I would like to see photos, but i got a feeling that its going to be very difficult to obtain.

Leadbeater Family move from the forest 1900's (reply)

unknown — Mon, 20 Feb 2012 11:28:20 +0000

James's father Thomas married Sarah Smith Flaxley 1873.
Thomas's father John married Martha Leadbetter 1856.

They are on the census 1941 - 1911 with different spellings of surname.
Most parish details are on here again with different spellings of surname.

I am not certain as yet where the connection will be on my tree but will let you know when I have found it.

Pam

Sydney LEADBEATER 1894 - 1941 Cinderford -> Pontadawe (reply)

slowhands — Mon, 20 Feb 2012 11:25:04 +0000

Name: Sidney Leadbeater
Birth Date: abt 1894
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1941
Age at Death: 47
Registration district: West Glamorgan
Inferred County: Glamorganshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 2262

Name: Sydney Leadbeater
Spouse : Mary Jones
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1919
Registration district: Pontardawe
Inferred County: Glamorganshire
Volume Number: 11a
Page Number: 2460

1911 Gough Rd Ystalyfera
James Leadbeater 47
Helen Leadbeater 49
Thomas Leadbeater 28
Sarah Jane Leadbeater 24
Sydney Leadbeater 17
Jessie Ellen Leadbeater 11

1901
James Leadbeater abt 1864 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
Ellen Leadbeater abt 1862 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire
Tom Leadbeater abt 1883 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Jane Leadbeater abt 1887 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Sydney Leadbeater abt 1894 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Cissie E Leadbeater abt 1900 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire

Name: Sydney Leadbeater
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1894
Registration district: Westbury on Severn
Inferred County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 251

1891
James Leadbeater abt 1864 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
Ellen Leadbeater abt 1862 Ruardean Woodside, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire
James Leadbeater abt 1885 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Sarah J Leadbeater abt 1887 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire

James LEADBEATER 1863 Cinderford (reply)

slowhands — Mon, 20 Feb 2012 11:16:23 +0000

Thanks for the info!.

Leadbeater is the surname, the others you posted are of a different family ?

no its all the same family just the way the records are transcribed....

James LEADBEATER 1863 Cinderford (reply)

unknown — Mon, 20 Feb 2012 11:15:12 +0000

Thanks for the info!.

Leadbeater is the surname, the others you posted are of a different family ?

James LEADBEATER 1863 Cinderford (reply)

slowhands — Mon, 20 Feb 2012 10:29:14 +0000

Hi

Yes that sounds right,

"James born 1863 Cinderford father Thomas. They were colliers"

Do you mean that James's father was called Thomas ?

I think you have found my line here the dates are correct and i remember my grandfather mentioning the name Ellen.

Are there any further records going back that you know of ? Whats your connection with this line ?

1881
Thomas Leadbeater abt 1835 Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire, England Head Westbury on Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
Sarah Leadbeater abt 1838 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Wife Westbury on Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
Thomas Leadbeater abt 1861 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Son Westbury on Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
James Leadbeater abt 1864 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Son Westbury on Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
Isaac Hill abt 1821 Kingswood, Gloucestershire, England Brother in Law Westbury on Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire

Year: 1873
Month: Sep
Day: 7
Grooms_Surname: LEADBEATER
Grooms_Forenames: Thomas
Grooms_Age: Full Age
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Collier
Grooms_Residence: Flaxley
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Leadbeater
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: John
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Collier
Brides_Surname: SMITH
Brides_Forenames: Sarah
Brides_Age: Full Age
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Flaxley
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Smith
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: John
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Furnace man
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both mark
Witness_1: William Hale
Witness_2: Louisa Maria Jenkins
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: Charles Stephenson
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P145 IN 1/11
Page_Number: 123
Parish_Chapel: Flaxley

1861
John Ledbetter abt 1789 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
Margaret Ledbetter abt 1799 Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire
Tom Ledbetter abt 1834 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Charlotte Ledbetter abt 1838 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Rhoda Ledbetter abt 1857 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Granddaughter East Dean, Gloucestershire

1851
John Leobett abt 1791 Ex Parochl, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
Margaret Leobett abt 1799 Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire
Eliza Leobett abt 1827 Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Ann Leobett abt 1829 Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
John Leobett abt 1831 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Thomas Leobett abt 1834 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Charlotte Leobett abt 1838 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Phillips Leobett abt 1849 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Isaac Leobett abt 1845 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Visitor East Dean, Gloucestershire

1841 Trowditch
John Ledbater abt 1791 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Margreet Ledbater abt 1797 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
James Ledbater abt 1823 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Elisa Ledbater abt 1827 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Ann Ledbater abt 1829 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
John Ledbater abt 1831 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Thomas Ledbater abt 1834 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Mary Ledbater abt 1836 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Charlote Ledbater abt 1838 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire

This is Littledean Hill / Collafield/Horsepool Bottom area

Leadbeater Family move from the forest 1900's (reply)

unknown — Mon, 20 Feb 2012 10:26:36 +0000

Yes that sounds right,

"James born 1863 Cinderford father Thomas. They were colliers"

Do you mean that James's father was called Thomas ?

I think you have found my line here the dates are correct and i remember my grandfather mentioning the name Ellen.

Are there any further records going back that you know of ? Whats your connection with this line ?

Leadbeater Family move from the forest 1900's (reply)

unknown — Mon, 20 Feb 2012 10:11:34 +0000

I have Leadbetter in my tree from Cinderford although my line moved to the Rhondda this could be your Swansea connection.

Sydney Leadbetter married Mary Jones Pontardawe 1919.
Sydney born 1894 in Cinderford to James Ledbetter and Ellen (Reed)married 1882 in Flaxley.
James born 1863 Cinderford father Thomas. They were colliers.

Hope this helps
Pam

LEADBEATER Family - James 1884 Cinderford -> Pontadawe (reply)

slowhands — Mon, 20 Feb 2012 10:04:30 +0000

Yes i have had a look but can not find anything related to Sidney Leadbeater, there are records for James Leadbeater but i am uncertain. I need to find out if anyone knows of leadbeaters moving to swansea in the 1900's, that might help..?

Starting to feel more like this family..

1911 Pontadawe area
James Leadbeater 26
Ada Leadbeater 25
James Leadbeater 5
Milson Leadbeater 4
Alfred William Leadbeater 3
Llewellyn Leadbeater 2
George Leadbeater 3/12

1901
Jas Leadbeater
[James Leadbeater] abt 1884 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Boarder Ystradyfodwg, Glamorgan

James 1864 is Sydney's father

LEADBEATER Family (reply)

unknown — Mon, 20 Feb 2012 09:38:14 +0000

Yes i have had a look but can not find anything related to Sidney Leadbeater, there are records for James Leadbeater but i am uncertain. I need to find out if anyone knows of leadbeaters moving to swansea in the 1900's, that might help..?

LEADBEATER Family - James 1884 Cinderford ? (reply)

slowhands — Mon, 20 Feb 2012 09:24:47 +0000

Hi,

I am trying to trace some family back with the Leadbeaters, i am uncertain to what part of the forest they came from but they moved to Swansea ( Ystalyfera ) in the early 1900's i have some names if anyone can point me out in the right direction.

Grandfather - Harold James Leadbeater - born in wales 1920-2003

Great Grandfather - Sid Leadbeater - Wife - Mary Leadbeater - from the forest of dean.

Great Great Grandfather - James Leadbeater - from the forest of dean.

This is all the information i have at the moment.. if anyone can help that would be great.

I'll ask "have you checked prior threads here for LEADBEATER / LEDBETTER etc ?"

esp in the Littledean / Cinderford area

maybe linked to the GRINDLE line
http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=7670

Is this your JAMES ?

1910
Jas Leadbeater
[James Leadbeater] abt 1884 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Boarder Ystradyfodwg, Glamorgan

Leadbeater Family move from the forest 1900's

unknown — Mon, 20 Feb 2012 09:18:43 +0000

Hi,

I am trying to trace some family back with the Leadbeaters, i am uncertain to what part of the forest they came from but they moved to Swansea ( Ystalyfera ) in the early 1900's i have some names if anyone can point me out in the right direction.

Grandfather - Harold James Leadbeater - born in wales 1920-2003

Great Grandfather - Sid Leadbeater - Wife - Mary Leadbeater - from the forest of dean.

Great Great Grandfather - James Leadbeater - from the forest of dean.

This is all the information i have at the moment.. if anyone can help that would be great.